# Canadian 'dopers, Freedom Convoy? **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Created:** [February 10, 2022, 12:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/canadian-dopers-freedom-convoy/959186 "2022-02-10T00:07:49Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 5
**Author:** ![Euphonious\_Polemic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/euphonious_polemic/32/3002_2.png) [@Euphonious\_Polemic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Euphonious_Polemic)\ **Post date:** [February 11, 2022, 8:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/canadian-dopers-freedom-convoy/959186/81 "2022-02-11T20:57:00Z")
I am sure if you asked 10 of them you’d get 10 answers. Some want the Federal government to stop ALL Covid rules that were put in place by the Provincial governments, private businesses and foreign nations. Some want Trudeau to meet with them personally so they can dictate the terms of his resignation in shame. Some just want to camp out and grift that sweet sweet cash coming from Americans. ---
**Author:** ![Latimera](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/latimera/32/497_2.png) [@Latimera](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Latimera)\ **Post date:** [February 11, 2022, 8:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/canadian-dopers-freedom-convoy/959186/82 "2022-02-11T20:58:36Z")
And some (most?) are just assholes enjoying an excuse to be assholes. ---
**Author:** ![Euphonious\_Polemic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/euphonious_polemic/32/3002_2.png) [@Euphonious\_Polemic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Euphonious_Polemic)\ **Post date:** [February 11, 2022, 9:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/canadian-dopers-freedom-convoy/959186/83 "2022-02-11T21:06:40Z")
Certainly some appear to have oppositional defiance disorder. Or they are assholes. Same difference really. ---
**Author:** ![elbows](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/b3f665/32.png) [@elbows](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elbows)\ **Post date:** [February 11, 2022, 10:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/canadian-dopers-freedom-convoy/959186/84 "2022-02-11T22:32:28Z")
They want their moment to Trump rage, be destructive and offensive to no real end, and watch it upset the libs. I reckon most societies have a segment of people who would cherish their chance to rage and be obnoxious, on any pretext. The silence from the Conservative Party is deafening. ---
**Author:** ![Euphonious\_Polemic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/euphonious_polemic/32/3002_2.png) [@Euphonious\_Polemic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Euphonious_Polemic)\ **Post date:** [February 11, 2022, 11:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/canadian-dopers-freedom-convoy/959186/85 "2022-02-11T23:42:38Z")
Pierre Polievre is not silent. He is full throatedly supporting the assholes. He is the front runner for the leadership of the conservatives ---
**Author:** ![Guest-starring\_Id](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guest-starring_id/32/21736_2.png) [@Guest-starring\_Id](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Guest-starring_Id)\ **Post date:** [February 12, 2022, 12:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/canadian-dopers-freedom-convoy/959186/86 "2022-02-12T00:33:19Z")
_Starting_ to get somewhere. > **[Ambassador Bridge: Canada court orders end to trucker blockade](https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-60356461)** > > Crowds of protesters are flouting the injunction and continue to occupy a vital border crossing. > [@](#): > > The ruling was made at a court hearing on Friday. The specifics of the injunction are still being finalised, according to CBC News. The injunction was filed by the city of Windsor and the Automotive Parts Manufacturers’ Association, which argued that they were losing as much as $50m ($39m; £29m) per day because of the convoy. > [@](#): > > Addressing Canadians on Friday, Mr Trudeau said: “If you join the protests because you are tired of Covid you need to understand that you are breaking laws. The consequences are becoming more and more severe. You don’t want to end up losing your licence, end up with a criminal record, which will impact your job, your livelihood, even your ability to travel internationally, including to the US. We’ve heard your frustration with Covid, with the measures that are there to keep people safe. We’ve heard you. It’s time to go home now.” Nice - not too much equivocation, there. ---
**Author:** ![lum\_s\_husband](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lum_s_husband/32/3698_2.png) [@lum\_s\_husband](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/lum_s_husband)\ **Post date:** [February 12, 2022, 12:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/canadian-dopers-freedom-convoy/959186/87 "2022-02-12T00:47:39Z")
How many divisions does the judge have? ---
**Author:** ![Euphonious\_Polemic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/euphonious_polemic/32/3002_2.png) [@Euphonious\_Polemic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Euphonious_Polemic)\ **Post date:** [February 12, 2022, 1:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/canadian-dopers-freedom-convoy/959186/88 "2022-02-12T01:49:28Z")
The judges orders are backed up by the Ontario Provincial Police. They have manpower and equipment to enforce the law. “Divisions” are not necessary. Worse comes to worse the go in with force, arrest everyone and bulldoze the rigs off the road. The owner operators of the rigs won’t need them anymore anyway, as they will no longer hold a commercial licence. ---
**Author:** ![lum\_s\_husband](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lum_s_husband/32/3698_2.png) [@lum\_s\_husband](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/lum_s_husband)\ **Post date:** [February 12, 2022, 2:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/canadian-dopers-freedom-convoy/959186/89 "2022-02-12T02:05:02Z")
Does the judge have more authority over the police than the prime minister or provincial leader? ---
**Author:** ![RickJay](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/bb73d2/32.png) [@RickJay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RickJay)\ **Post date:** [February 12, 2022, 2:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/canadian-dopers-freedom-convoy/959186/90 "2022-02-12T02:18:06Z")
> [@FinsToTheLeft](#): > > Canadian here. I firmly believe that the #FluTruxKlan was a seed planted by grifters It absolutely wasn’t. This was a real protest. A huge number of Canadians support it. ---
**Author:** ![Whack-a-Mole](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/whack-a-mole/32/141_2.png) [@Whack-a-Mole](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Whack-a-Mole)\ **Post date:** [February 12, 2022, 2:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/canadian-dopers-freedom-convoy/959186/91 "2022-02-12T02:28:44Z")
I would think so. For instance, if a judge issues a bench warrant the police will enforce it. I do not think the PM or provincial leader can do the same. The PM and such are on the legislative side of things. They write the laws. Judges and police are on the enforcement side of things. So, a judge has more direct control over police than the PM. But, the PM and legislature can define the laws the judge and police must follow. ---
**Author:** ![FinsToTheLeft](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/finstotheleft/32/2930_2.png) [@FinsToTheLeft](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FinsToTheLeft)\ **Post date:** [February 12, 2022, 2:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/canadian-dopers-freedom-convoy/959186/92 "2022-02-12T02:30:20Z")
> [@RickJay](#): > > It absolutely wasn’t. This was a real protest. A huge number of Canadians support it. Probably a few % points more than supported the PPC. The vast majority of Canadians don’t support them and never did. ---
**Author:** ![Chronos](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chronos/32/134_2.png) [@Chronos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chronos)\ **Post date:** [February 12, 2022, 2:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/canadian-dopers-freedom-convoy/959186/93 "2022-02-12T02:42:42Z")
> [@octopus](#): > > It’s your assertion that the majority of damages were from right wing plants? I don’t know that I’d say that. Doubtless much of the damage was from apolitical opportunistic thieves. But of the political violence, yes, most of it was right-wing. The man who started the rioting in Minneapolis was a Hell’s Angel. The group slashing tires in Minneapolis was the Minneapolis Police Department. The groups bringing in weapons were the Proud Boys and the Boogaloo Boys. The first violent acts in the Cleveland protests were committed by Cleveland police officers. None of those is left-wing. ---
**Author:** ![RickJay](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/bb73d2/32.png) [@RickJay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RickJay)\ **Post date:** [February 12, 2022, 2:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/canadian-dopers-freedom-convoy/959186/94 "2022-02-12T02:58:42Z")
> [@FinsToTheLeft](#): > > Probably a few % points more than supported the PPC. The vast majority of Canadians don’t support them and never did. No, that’s just not true. Polls suggest support in the neighborhood of a third of the country. This is NOT a fringe thing, and never was. > **[Almost half of Canadians sympathetic to 'concerns and frustrations' of Ottawa...](https://nationalpost.com/news/politics/almost-half-of-canadians-sympathetic-to-concerns-and-frustrations-of-ottawa-trucker-protest)** > > While 62 per cent of respondents oppose the Freedom Convoy protest, 44 per cent said they could sympathize with truckers ---
**Author:** ![Broomstick](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/broomstick/32/246_2.png) [@Broomstick](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Broomstick)\ **Post date:** [February 12, 2022, 9:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/canadian-dopers-freedom-convoy/959186/95 "2022-02-12T09:17:23Z")
> [@RickJay](#): > > It absolutely wasn’t. This was a real protest. A huge number of Canadians support it. And, apparently, a huge number didn’t support it and are pissed due to its impact on their ability to make a living. Latest stat I saw was that 90% of Canadian truckers are vaccinated so it’s a non-issue for them. OK, in absolute numbers there’s a sizable group of Canadians “supporting” this fustercluck but they’re a minority of Canadians. There are also an embarrassingly large number of Americans getting involved, not only interfering with the affairs of another country but also cheering on a slam to their own economy. From my viewpoint, this is a bunch of spoiled, selfish brats whining about basic health precautions the rest of us have been dealing with for two years without having a meltdown and inconveniencing the rest of us because they refuse to be responsible adults. With a dose of Nationalism and White Privilege thrown in. > [@RickJay](#): > > No, that’s just not true. Polls suggest support in the neighborhood of a third of the country. This is NOT a fringe thing, and never was. Ah, see - it _is_ a minority view. It’s a bunch of people who can’t accept democracy. They, the minority, want to impose their will on the majority, screw what the majority wants. They want the “freedom” to put the life and health of other people at risk. Such an attitude comes from an attitude of privilege. Spoiled brats the lot of them. ---
**Author:** ![Whack-a-Mole](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/whack-a-mole/32/141_2.png) [@Whack-a-Mole](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Whack-a-Mole)\ **Post date:** [February 12, 2022, 9:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/canadian-dopers-freedom-convoy/959186/96 "2022-02-12T09:36:05Z")
Is the US just screwed (I assume Canada is in the mix too)? Can’t stop foreign actors from stirring the pot? > **[As U.S. ‘trucker convoy’ picks up momentum, foreign meddling adds to fray](https://www.nbcnews.com/tech/internet/us-trucker-convoy-picks-momentum-foreign-meddling-adds-fray-rcna15932)** > > Facebook said Friday it removed trucker and convoy groups run by overseas actors. Many anti-vaccine and conspiracy-driven groups have moved to embrace convoy organizing. (Should this be in its own thread?) ---
**Author:** ![FinsToTheLeft](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/finstotheleft/32/2930_2.png) [@FinsToTheLeft](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FinsToTheLeft)\ **Post date:** [February 12, 2022, 11:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/canadian-dopers-freedom-convoy/959186/97 "2022-02-12T11:46:18Z")
It’s still a minority view, and one in which foreign agents have been active in stirring up the sentiment. They’ve taken the disaffected and ignorant and leveraged it into a fake movement. ---
**Author:** ![BeepKillBeep](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/9e8a1a/32.png) [@BeepKillBeep](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BeepKillBeep)\ **Post date:** [February 12, 2022, 1:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/canadian-dopers-freedom-convoy/959186/98 "2022-02-12T13:02:57Z")
How many people would support it I wonder if they knew the organizers were fascists? I suspect that most people are unaware of this, and if they did know the support numbers would plummet. It is not that surprising that there’s general support for less mandates. We’re pretty much all COVID exhausted now. I know I am. I’m looking forward to even a new normal. So in some sense, I support _that_ specific aspect of the message of the Fascist Convoy, which could be why the polls numbers are the way they are. However, I want restrictions to be lifted as they make sense to do so and not because a bunch of Nazis are angry at Trudeau. ---
**Author:** ![BeepKillBeep](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/9e8a1a/32.png) [@BeepKillBeep](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BeepKillBeep)\ **Post date:** [February 12, 2022, 1:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/canadian-dopers-freedom-convoy/959186/99 "2022-02-12T13:03:24Z")
Exactly this, 100%. ---
**Author:** ![Broomstick](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/broomstick/32/246_2.png) [@Broomstick](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Broomstick)\ **Post date:** [February 12, 2022, 1:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/canadian-dopers-freedom-convoy/959186/100 "2022-02-12T13:25:48Z")
Looks like the party did NOT break up overnight, which to be honest I didn’t really expect. So… what now, Canadian Authorities? I still say they’re a bunch of spoiled brats (the protesters, not the Authorities) who are wailing about their “rights” while infringing upon the rights of others, not to mention the ability of others to make a living, exist in peace, and go about their business. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/canadian-dopers-freedom-convoy/959186.md?page=4) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/canadian-dopers-freedom-convoy/959186.md?page=6)