# Canadopers: fall federal election\[!\] **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Created:** [August 12, 2021, 1:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/canadopers-fall-federal-election/948485 "2021-08-12T01:53:48Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 4
**Author:** ![Red\_Wiggler](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/red_wiggler/32/13190_2.png) [@Red\_Wiggler](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Red_Wiggler)\ **Post date:** [August 15, 2021, 4:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/canadopers-fall-federal-election/948485/62 "2021-08-15T16:47:07Z")
Five week campaigns seem wonderful to me. Where the Canadians could improve their system is in ending single member ridings and first past the post voting. ---
**Author:** ![Hari\_Seldon](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hari_seldon/32/5173_2.png) [@Hari\_Seldon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hari_Seldon)\ **Post date:** [August 15, 2021, 4:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/canadopers-fall-federal-election/948485/63 "2021-08-15T16:55:30Z")
Well, it is official and I have edited the title to reflect that. I also think it it is a mistake. We will see. ---
**Author:** ![Dr\_Paprika](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dr_paprika/32/3042_2.png) [@Dr\_Paprika](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dr_Paprika)\ **Post date:** [August 15, 2021, 6:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/canadopers-fall-federal-election/948485/64 "2021-08-15T18:57:46Z")
I notice your edit contains the word election and an exclamation mark! Perhaps someone feels that way about an election, but probably not many. šŸ˜‰ ---
**Author:** ![Kropotkin](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kropotkin/32/18045_2.png) [@Kropotkin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kropotkin)\ **Post date:** [August 15, 2021, 8:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/canadopers-fall-federal-election/948485/65 "2021-08-15T20:20:33Z")
Your one meaningful chance to engage in the democratic process! The right your forebears fought and died for! The one thing that separates us from godless Communism! What isnā€™t there to get excited about?! ---
**Author:** ![Dr\_Paprika](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dr_paprika/32/3042_2.png) [@Dr\_Paprika](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dr_Paprika)\ **Post date:** [August 15, 2021, 9:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/canadopers-fall-federal-election/948485/66 "2021-08-15T21:59:21Z")
Good points! But Iā€™d be more excited if we had a chance to vote for Jeb! ---
**Author:** ![Kropotkin](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kropotkin/32/18045_2.png) [@Kropotkin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kropotkin)\ **Post date:** [August 15, 2021, 10:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/canadopers-fall-federal-election/948485/67 "2021-08-15T22:09:58Z")
Bush?! Or do you mean Jed? Bartlett or Clampett!! ---
**Author:** ![FinsToTheLeft](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/finstotheleft/32/2930_2.png) [@FinsToTheLeft](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FinsToTheLeft)\ **Post date:** [August 16, 2021, 6:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/canadopers-fall-federal-election/948485/68 "2021-08-16T18:06:55Z")
> [@Red\_Wiggler](#): > > Where the Canadians could improve their system is in ending single member ridings and first past the post voting. FPTP Iā€™m prepared to discuss replacing with STV or similar, but Iā€™m not a fan of replacing single member ridings. I want to call _my_ MP if things go sideways and I need help from someone accountable to the public, not some party apparatchik. I donā€™t think party list members give you that. ---
**Author:** ![Grey](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/b782af/32.png) [@Grey](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Grey)\ **Post date:** [August 16, 2021, 7:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/canadopers-fall-federal-election/948485/69 "2021-08-16T19:14:09Z")
I had a thought that the government would arrive at 2 or 3 methods to improve representation on a riding level. Parliament would then empower Elections Canada to hold the next 4 or 6 by-elections using those models to get a feel for how people would react, what kind of education would have to take place, etc. Not that by-elections arenā€™t important but it would be far better to get the data in before massively rejigging everything during a federal election. The parties might care but I dont. I mean if a Conservative gets in instead of a Liberal or a Green gets past a NDP candidate itā€™s not that big of a deal. Anyway, been a day, still hating this election but bring it on! šŸ™‚ ---
**Author:** ![Red\_Wiggler](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/red_wiggler/32/13190_2.png) [@Red\_Wiggler](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Red_Wiggler)\ **Post date:** [August 16, 2021, 8:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/canadopers-fall-federal-election/948485/70 "2021-08-16T20:51:00Z")
Another way to think about it is that in a multi-member riding, you have _multiple_ MPs vying to help you and win your future vote for her party. ---
**Author:** ![Dr\_Paprika](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dr_paprika/32/3042_2.png) [@Dr\_Paprika](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dr_Paprika)\ **Post date:** [August 16, 2021, 11:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/canadopers-fall-federal-election/948485/71 "2021-08-16T23:56:19Z")
Bush had 2016 campaign signs saying ā€œJeb!ā€ Not the most energetic candidate, Trump has a field day with this. ---
**Author:** ![Kropotkin](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kropotkin/32/18045_2.png) [@Kropotkin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kropotkin)\ **Post date:** [August 17, 2021, 12:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/canadopers-fall-federal-election/948485/72 "2021-08-17T00:30:19Z")
Still prefer Jed! Bartlett or Clampett! ---
**Author:** ![Hari\_Seldon](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hari_seldon/32/5173_2.png) [@Hari\_Seldon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hari_Seldon)\ **Post date:** [August 17, 2021, 3:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/canadopers-fall-federal-election/948485/73 "2021-08-17T15:44:03Z")
I would like to see either approval voting or ranked choice. Trudeau promised to do something about the FPTP system. What would likely happen is that a lot of people (including me) would approve of the NPD and Liberal candidates (or rank them 1-2 in either order). At the very least, it would prevent a Conservative from winning with 40% while the other two split 60%. Although Trudeau must realize this, he is likely afraid that it would result in a government that is a coalition of the two partiesā€“pretty much what he had before parliament was dissolved. ---
**Author:** ![Euphonious\_Polemic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/euphonious_polemic/32/3002_2.png) [@Euphonious\_Polemic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Euphonious_Polemic)\ **Post date:** [August 17, 2021, 8:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/canadopers-fall-federal-election/948485/74 "2021-08-17T20:53:20Z")
Well hereā€™s a policy statement from the Conservatives that is not actually ā€œwe hate Trudeauā€, so credit to them: ā€œConservatives propose ā€˜tax holidayā€™ for GST in Decemberā€ What is this supposed to accomplish? We have a housing crisis in Canada, we have a cost of living crisis in Canada, we have inflation for the first time in decades being an issue," said Oā€™Toole at a campaign stop in Vaughan. And this will help these issuesā€¦ how exactly? It really does not make much economic sense. Why not have this tax holiday in January or February when sales are slow and they need a boost? Does consumer spending really need a kick right now (narrator: perhaps in specific areas, but not as a general theme) the Canadian Federation of Independent Business called the tax holiday ā€œa bit gimmicky.ā€ ā€œWhat a short-term GST holiday would likely do is shift sales from one month to another, leading to very little change in overall consumer spending,ā€ CFIB president Dan Kelly said in a statement. The idea is basically being panned by a lot of knowledgeable people. ---
**Author:** ![Kropotkin](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kropotkin/32/18045_2.png) [@Kropotkin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kropotkin)\ **Post date:** [August 17, 2021, 9:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/canadopers-fall-federal-election/948485/75 "2021-08-17T21:02:42Z")
And at least one report in the US (so, okay, grains of salt) says the growth in inflation is entirely due to the rise in price of fossil fuels and vehicles, so not a generalized inflation, and so unlikely to be a long-standing problem. I think part of the problem the Conservatives have is the Liberal party has moved so far to the right, the only place the Conservatives can go to differentiate themselves is to the fringe ---
**Author:** ![Euphonious\_Polemic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/euphonious_polemic/32/3002_2.png) [@Euphonious\_Polemic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Euphonious_Polemic)\ **Post date:** [August 17, 2021, 9:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/canadopers-fall-federal-election/948485/76 "2021-08-17T21:15:57Z")
Some coherent financial ideas would be great, other than ā€œWeā€™ll cut the GST for a monthā€¦ because.ā€ ---
**Author:** ![Horatius](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/horatius/32/3572_2.png) [@Horatius](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Horatius)\ **Post date:** [August 17, 2021, 9:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/canadopers-fall-federal-election/948485/77 "2021-08-17T21:20:27Z")
> [@RickJay](#): > > Do they even still exist? They will not be a factor. They exist well enough to by some bill board ad time here in Niagara Falls. Campaign slogan? ā€œThe Other Parties Suckā€. Thatā€™s not a joke, thatā€™s what it actually said. ---
**Author:** ![Horatius](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/horatius/32/3572_2.png) [@Horatius](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Horatius)\ **Post date:** [August 17, 2021, 9:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/canadopers-fall-federal-election/948485/78 "2021-08-17T21:25:46Z")
One observation on the built-in hypocrisy of the system: ā€œNo one wants an election right now!ā€ shouted the Conservatives, as they pulled out thousands of printed copies of their slickly-produced platform, and hundreds of thousands of election signs. ---
**Author:** ![Dr\_Paprika](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dr_paprika/32/3042_2.png) [@Dr\_Paprika](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dr_Paprika)\ **Post date:** [August 17, 2021, 9:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/canadopers-fall-federal-election/948485/79 "2021-08-17T21:29:37Z")
It is easy to forget the Liberals were not in great shape when Trudeau took over the party. This is when the calls for FPTP reform were loudest. They say you can still hear them on moonless dark nights when the wind blows southwest. ---
**Author:** ![Kropotkin](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kropotkin/32/18045_2.png) [@Kropotkin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kropotkin)\ **Post date:** [August 17, 2021, 9:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/canadopers-fall-federal-election/948485/80 "2021-08-17T21:37:20Z")
I liked it better when the wind cried Mary. ---
**Author:** ![Euphonious\_Polemic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/euphonious_polemic/32/3002_2.png) [@Euphonious\_Polemic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Euphonious_Polemic)\ **Post date:** [August 17, 2021, 9:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/canadopers-fall-federal-election/948485/81 "2021-08-17T21:44:05Z")
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