# Cancel Culture and Canceling versus consequences for actions **URL:** \ **Category:** Great Debates\ **Created:** [July 8, 2025, 10:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cancel-culture-and-canceling-versus-consequences-for-actions/1020644 "2025-07-08T22:55:19Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 16
**Author:** ![wolfpup](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wolfpup/32/10618_2.png) [@wolfpup](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wolfpup)\ **Post date:** [July 16, 2025, 1:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cancel-culture-and-canceling-versus-consequences-for-actions/1020644/515 "2025-07-16T13:52:24Z")
> [@iiandyiiii](#): > > You chose to cast aspersions and make negative implications against a woman who, factually speaking, did nothing more than write about her version of her own experiences. IMO you shouldn’t do that. As I said, I don’t know Chloe Dysktra (or Chris Hardwick, either) from a hole in the ground and have no reason to “cast aspersions” against her. But I am indeed casting aspersions big-time on the whole concept of cancel culture, which it seems she was exploiting. And I think it’s disingenuous to speak of her as someone who “did nothing more than write about her version of her own experiences”. What she wrote was profoundly damaging to someone else’s reputation and career, a consequence she surely could not have overlooked and which indeed one suspects may have been the entire purpose of it. So, no, not snow-white innocence. And her refusal to participate in the subsequent investigations is also very suspect and not characteristic of someone who genuinely wants the full truth to come out. ---
**Author:** ![puzzlegal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/puzzlegal/32/3827_2.png) [@puzzlegal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/puzzlegal)\ **Post date:** [July 16, 2025, 1:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cancel-culture-and-canceling-versus-consequences-for-actions/1020644/516 "2025-07-16T13:55:33Z")
I don’t know these people. I don’t know what either one claims. But i know from reading the thread that: - A woman said something unpleasant about an unnamed man - That public post was later linked to a particular man - He was suspended from something valuable, pending an investigation - The investigation was concluded and nothing was made public - The woman did not participate in the investigation. We don’t know the details. - The man was reinstated And based on this, @wolfpup said really nasty things about the woman and said the man was exonerated. So yes, I’m criticizing @wolfpup , too. The proper conclusion is that we don’t know what happened. There’s a good chance it’s a he said/she said situation, and no one but the two of them will ever know. ---
**Author:** ![MrDibble](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mrdibble/32/114_2.png) [@MrDibble](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MrDibble)\ **Post date:** [July 16, 2025, 1:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cancel-culture-and-canceling-versus-consequences-for-actions/1020644/517 "2025-07-16T13:56:48Z")
> [@wolfpup](#): > > Who said anything about where I would **like** them to be? You did, when you presented a counterfactual as the actual probable state. > [@wolfpup](#): > > I don’t know either Dysktra or Hardwick and I don’t have a “like” here I know _I_ always use words like “harangue”, “smear”, “bitter” and “attention-seeking bullshitter” about people I’m neutral about \s The other one, if pulled, will have bells on, mate. > [@wolfpup](#): > > Is it just that some men are abusive? “just” is … underselling it quite a bit. Ask the CDC. > [@wolfpup](#): > > I’m sure you don’t really want to go down that road. No, quite happy to. > [@wolfpup](#): > > if that tells you anything about the likelihood that **a particular individual** probably is (or is not) guilty, that is the dictionary definition of prejudice – literally, pre-judging someone irrespective of specific facts. No, this is pre-judging because of specific facts, not in spite of. > [@wolfpup](#): > > What I’m focused on here, which you apparently are not That I’m looking at the same facts you are and am coming to a different conclusion should tell you something about how easy it is to choose which facts you weigh. > [@wolfpup](#): > > Those are the raw facts. Nothing there is in dispute. It’s what you choose to take from it that is entirely your own biases talking (as mine do in my conclusions). Like you ignoring the other facts - power imbalances, patriarchy, corporate greed are all things that exist. You choose to ignore them, I don’t. > [@wolfpup](#): > > If Hardwick were actually the sort of sexual predator that Dykstra tried to describe, he’d likely do it again. Only if he has a suitable victim - which his current wife is not. The power dynamic there is _very_ different, even if she’s also younger than him. > [@wolfpup](#): > > The basis of your reasoning is not clear, Really? I thought I’ve been very clear that the basis of my reasoning is that I believe women. > [@Babale](#): > > statistically speaking he’s a lying rapist Your ordinary White male, I’d say only 10% probability he’s a rapist. Your powerful, wealthy, frat bro male in the entertainment industry? I’d say 50/50 they’ve done at least a _little_ rape, for sure. ---
**Author:** ![MrDibble](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mrdibble/32/114_2.png) [@MrDibble](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MrDibble)\ **Post date:** [July 16, 2025, 2:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cancel-culture-and-canceling-versus-consequences-for-actions/1020644/518 "2025-07-16T14:02:15Z")
> [@wolfpup](#): > > have no reason to “cast aspersions” against her. So you did it without a reason, then? > [@wolfpup](#): > > What she wrote was profoundly damaging to someone else’s reputation and career He had all of a _month_ of suspension. Then continued on as before. ‘Profoundly damaging’, my ass. > [@wolfpup](#): > > her refusal to participate in the subsequent investigations is also very suspect Self-care is suspect now? She laid out her reasons quite clearly. > [@wolfpup](#): > > not characteristic of someone who genuinely wants the full truth to come out. It’s very characteristic of someone savvy enough to know which way the deck is stacked. Because if she’s suspicious for this, so are the majority of women who don’t report their rapes to the police, and the additional 50% of those who do report who subsequently withdraw their cases. Liars, the lot of them \s ---
**Author:** ![DemonTree](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/demontree/32/8646_2.png) [@DemonTree](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DemonTree)\ **Post date:** [July 16, 2025, 2:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cancel-culture-and-canceling-versus-consequences-for-actions/1020644/519 "2025-07-16T14:09:48Z")
> [@Miller](#): > > It is, in fact, no big deal. That’s literally the baseline expectation for living in a society. You are always going have to be aware of where you are, who you’re talking to, and how your words might affect them. That’s not an unreasonable expectation, that’s being an adult. There are degrees of this. I’m not literally saying anyone should be able to say anything at any time, but we don’t want to live in some Soviet-style dystopia where everyone is watching each other for wrongthink. We should err in the side of assuming good intentions and not ruining someone’s life over one mistake. And as I’ve said multiple times now, “avoiding offence” cannot be allowed to be an excuse to shut down a debate before ever having it. Whether something is actually offensive often depends on the conclusion of that debate. > [@Miller](#): > > No, that’s included in the modern social justice conception of a safe space. The problem is, you can’t make a place safe for everyone - sometimes making a safe place for one type of person implicitly makes it unsafe for another type. It’s funny, I nearly said that in my comment: the fact you cannot make a space ‘safe’ for everyone at once is something I have seen mentioned multiple times - but never by a supporter of the ‘social justice’ movement. You are the first. Nor have I ever seen anyone talk about a space where it is safe to make mistakes. It has always been about keeping \ safe from offence by policing what is said. > [@Miller](#): > > For a non-political example, a safe-space for people with autism, where they can spend time socializing without masking, is a great idea. As someone who is not autistic, I’d find that space profoundly uncomfortable, because I’d be surrounded by people who are making no attempt at the kind of non-verbal interactions that I rely on to know if someone is safe to be around. You couldn’t even make a safe space for all people with autism, because they have different and sometimes conflicting needs. Eg one may need to stim by making loud noises, while another may find loud noises intolerable. But what do you mean by ‘safe to be around’? People on the spectrum are far more likely to be gay or trans, so the great majority of such gatherings in reality are welcoming to both. > [@Miller](#): > > I’d have to constantly be careful about what I say, because even though my natural instinct might be to call out someone for being a jerk, I know that I’m in a space that was specifically curated for people with autism, and not _me_. I find it hard to believe you are frequently calling people jerks to their faces in real life. IME this is something that happens almost exclusively online, where people can’t see each others’ faces and forget they are talking to a real human being. At worst you’d be doing the same thing you do normally. I imagine a safe space for people with autism would be one where people are free to stim, talk in a monotone, not bother with eye contact, skip small talk and jump straight into a topic, and be ultra direct rather than worry about following rules of politeness. Maybe that would make you uncomfortable, I don’t know. But being different in some ways does not make a person a jerk. As far as normal spaces, the issue with autism is that it’s a communication problem. People tend to read things you didn’t mean into plain statements, or decide you were (intentionally) rude because of something you did or didn’t say, (or the way it was phrased, or tone of voice, or body language, or because you didn’t sound sincere because you were conciously trying to avoid the other pitfalls…) ‘Social justice’ groups take this up to 11 by creating extra ways to screw up in the form of microaggressions, ‘dogwhistles’, and stereotypes that that you may well never have heard of, and by deciding a list of common words and phrases are now offensive and must be replaced with clunky euphemisms. Often they explicitly say intent doesn’t matter: if you offend someone accidentally, even if they are being wholly unreasonable, you are guilty. And they add a moral dimension: now, screwing up doesn’t just mean you were careless or rude, it means you’re an evil racist, or some other kind of bigot. Hardly surprising that even average people fall foul of this. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [July 16, 2025, 2:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cancel-culture-and-canceling-versus-consequences-for-actions/1020644/520 "2025-07-16T14:15:53Z")
> [@wolfpup](#): > > As I said, I don’t know Chloe Dysktra (or Chris Hardwick, either) from a hole in the ground and have no reason to “cast aspersions” against her. Then why did you do it? > And I think it’s disingenuous to speak of her as someone who “did nothing more than write about her version of her own experiences”. What she wrote was profoundly damaging to someone else’s reputation and career, a consequence she surely could not have overlooked and which indeed one suspects may have been the entire purpose of it. So, no, not snow-white innocence. And her refusal to participate in the subsequent investigations is also very suspect and not characteristic of someone who genuinely wants the full truth to come out. More aspersions. You say you have no interest in casting aspersions, and then say she’s not innocent and imply malicious motives. That’s really shitty. Borderline misogynistic, IMO. All she did was write about her personal experiences. Absent actual evidence of dishonesty, that is _literally always okay_ and should never be criticized. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [July 16, 2025, 2:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cancel-culture-and-canceling-versus-consequences-for-actions/1020644/521 "2025-07-16T14:16:42Z")
> [@puzzlegal](#): > > I don’t know these people. I don’t know what either one claims. But i know from reading the thread that: > > - A woman said something unpleasant about an unnamed man > - That public post was later linked to a particular man > - He was suspended from something valuable, pending an investigation > - The investigation was concluded and nothing was made public > - The woman did not participate in the investigation. We don’t know the details. > - The man was reinstated > > And based on this, @wolfpup said really nasty things about the woman and said the man was exonerated. > > So yes, I’m criticizing @wolfpup , too. The proper conclusion is that we don’t know what happened. There’s a good chance it’s a he said/she said situation, and no one but the two of them will ever know. This pretty much sums it up exactly. ---
**Author:** ![Babale](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/babale/32/15666_2.png) [@Babale](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Babale)\ **Post date:** [July 16, 2025, 2:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cancel-culture-and-canceling-versus-consequences-for-actions/1020644/522 "2025-07-16T14:26:08Z")
> [@puzzlegal](#): > > and said the man was exonerated. Sorry, if an independent investigation that comes up with no evidence of wrongdoing isn’t enough to clear his name, what exactly _would_ be? ---
**Author:** ![MrDibble](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mrdibble/32/114_2.png) [@MrDibble](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MrDibble)\ **Post date:** [July 16, 2025, 2:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cancel-culture-and-canceling-versus-consequences-for-actions/1020644/523 "2025-07-16T14:26:48Z")
> [@iiandyiiii](#): > > All she did was write about her personal experiences. Absent actual evidence of dishonesty, that is _literally always okay_ and should never be criticized. Note that Hardwick had already felt free to talk about his side before she did - including at conventions in front of hundreds of people. ---
**Author:** ![MrDibble](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mrdibble/32/114_2.png) [@MrDibble](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MrDibble)\ **Post date:** [July 16, 2025, 2:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cancel-culture-and-canceling-versus-consequences-for-actions/1020644/524 "2025-07-16T14:29:10Z")
> [@Babale](#): > > comes up with no evidence of wrongdoing You can cite where this part was in their press release or other statements, yes? ---
**Author:** ![wolfpup](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wolfpup/32/10618_2.png) [@wolfpup](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wolfpup)\ **Post date:** [July 16, 2025, 2:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cancel-culture-and-canceling-versus-consequences-for-actions/1020644/525 "2025-07-16T14:31:04Z")
> [@MrDibble](#): > > > [@wolfpup](#): > > > > have no reason to “cast aspersions” against her. > > So you did it without a reason, then? If you’re referring to the strong words I used before, they were motivated by my disgust at cancel culture, not Dykstra herself, and, speaking of power imbalance, of the ability of one single person to ruin another’s career with no accountability. I have no reason to criticize Dykstra personally for any other reason beyond that. > [@MrDibble](#): > > > [@wolfpup](#): > > > > Is it just that some men are abusive? > > “just” is … underselling it quite a bit. Ask the CDC. I did: > According to the CDC, 1 in 4 women and 1 in 7 men will experience physical violence by their intimate partner at some point during their lifetimes. > [Domestic Violence - StatPearls - NCBI Bookshelf (nih.gov)](https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/books/NBK499891/) What on earth do you imagine that tells us about the Dykstra-Hardwick case? > [@MrDibble](#): > > > [@wolfpup](#): > > > > if that tells you anything about the likelihood that **a particular individual** probably is (or is not) guilty, that is the dictionary definition of prejudice – literally, pre-judging someone irrespective of specific facts. > > No, this is pre-judging because of specific facts, not in spite of. The **only** specific facts at hand are about how three major organizations independently all reacted to the allegations after their respective investigations. > [@MrDibble](#): > > Like you ignoring the other facts - power imbalances, patriarchy, corporate greed are all things that exist. You choose to ignore them, I don’t. How much mileage do you think you’d get out of those “facts” in a court of law? > [@MrDibble](#): > > the basis of my reasoning is that I believe women. I believe those whose arguments are best supported by known facts. I sure hope to God you’re never on a jury. > [@MrDibble](#): > > > [@wolfpup](#): > > > > What she wrote was profoundly damaging to someone else’s reputation and career > > He had all of a _month_ of suspension. Then continued on as before. ‘Profoundly damaging’, my ass. And of course, Dykstra knew all long that Hardwick would be quickly reinstated and his career not harmed at all, and she only wrote that piece because … reasons. /s > [@MrDibble](#): > > > [@wolfpup](#): > > > > her refusal to participate in the subsequent investigations is also very suspect > > Self-care is suspect now? She laid out her reasons quite clearly. I may have missed it, but the only reason I saw her give was “to move on with my life”. I can only interpret that to mean “I’ve said my piece and I don’t care about this any more”. Yet strangely, she cared enough just days earlier to write and publish that damaging story, but then declined to participate when asked to back it up. ---
**Author:** ![Zoobi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/13edae/32.png) [@Zoobi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Zoobi)\ **Post date:** [July 16, 2025, 2:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cancel-culture-and-canceling-versus-consequences-for-actions/1020644/526 "2025-07-16T14:31:44Z")
So @Babale and @DemonTree , what legal or societal actions should we take to discourage or prevent movements like #metoo? You’ve identified what you want to stop, how do you do so while maintaining freedom of speech for everyone? ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [July 16, 2025, 2:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cancel-culture-and-canceling-versus-consequences-for-actions/1020644/527 "2025-07-16T14:34:36Z")
> [@wolfpup](#): > > I may have missed it, but the only reason I saw her give was “to move on with my life”. I can only interpret that to mean “I’ve said my piece and I don’t care about this any more”. Yet strangely, she cared enough just days earlier to write and publish that damaging story, but then declined to participate when asked to back it up. Do you think you have some special insight into the mindset of women who have experienced (or claimed to experience) sexual assault or other trauma? If not, why the fuck would you ever think it’s appropriate to make such interpretations, implications, or aspersions? ---
**Author:** ![Babale](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/babale/32/15666_2.png) [@Babale](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Babale)\ **Post date:** [July 16, 2025, 2:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cancel-culture-and-canceling-versus-consequences-for-actions/1020644/528 "2025-07-16T14:35:28Z")
> [@Zoobi](#): > > So @Babale and @DemonTree , what legal or societal actions should we take to discourage or prevent movements like #metoo? I don’t think we should do that. Metoo has obviously been a positive cultural change overall, in that our society is more aware of boundaries and more respectful of everyone’s boundaries. I don’t know what societal actions we can take to reduce stupid strawman like that one, but we should definitely do _that_. ---
**Author:** ![MrDibble](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mrdibble/32/114_2.png) [@MrDibble](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MrDibble)\ **Post date:** [July 16, 2025, 2:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cancel-culture-and-canceling-versus-consequences-for-actions/1020644/529 "2025-07-16T14:41:41Z")
> [@wolfpup](#): > > I may have missed it, but the only reason I saw her give was “to move on with my life”. You don’t see that as self-care? She also said “I hope that the hatred, the name calling, the death threats can go away” . > [@wolfpup](#): > > I can only interpret that to mean “I’ve said my piece and I don’t care about this any more”. We’ve already established you’re not inclined to give what the woman in this says anything but the _worst_ interpretation. > [@wolfpup](#): > > Yet strangely Strange _to you_, perfectly understandable to others. I know (years after the fact) after I told my mother about my rapist relative, I felt absolutely no need to confront him or do anything more about it, either. Telling my side to _someone_ was all I needed, it turned out. ---
**Author:** ![Zoobi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/13edae/32.png) [@Zoobi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Zoobi)\ **Post date:** [July 16, 2025, 2:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cancel-culture-and-canceling-versus-consequences-for-actions/1020644/530 "2025-07-16T14:42:44Z")
I find it hard to believe that you don’t consider #metoo an example of cancel culture. Especially considering your posts in this thread. ---
**Author:** ![Babale](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/babale/32/15666_2.png) [@Babale](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Babale)\ **Post date:** [July 16, 2025, 2:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cancel-culture-and-canceling-versus-consequences-for-actions/1020644/531 "2025-07-16T14:49:19Z")
> [@Zoobi](#): > > I find it hard to believe that you don’t consider #metoo an example of cancel culture. Raping or sexually assaulting someone is not the same as holding ideas, is it? And before you strawman me further - I’m not a free speech absolutist, I think some censorship is reasonable. What I _don’t_ like is people supporting censorship while pretending that this is not what they are doing. Cancelling someone, whether because of fucked up ideas they express or because they’re sexual criminals, **is** censorship. Even if it’s done by the Zeitgeist rather than by government action. That censorship is _sometimes appropriate_. But it becomes _extremely difficult_ to have the sorts of conversations that let us honestly determine whether censorship _is or is not_ appropriate in a given context, and act accordingly, if _half the people having the conversation insist that **no censorship is happening** _. Once we acknowledge that censorship by crowd _is_ a thing that _is_ occurring, we can weigh when it is appropriate and when it is not. ---
**Author:** ![MrDibble](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mrdibble/32/114_2.png) [@MrDibble](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MrDibble)\ **Post date:** [July 16, 2025, 2:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cancel-culture-and-canceling-versus-consequences-for-actions/1020644/532 "2025-07-16T14:51:42Z")
> [@wolfpup](#): > > If you’re referring to the strong words I used before, they were motivated by my disgust at cancel culture, not Dykstra herself, They were directed at Dykstra by you, not at impersonal culture. > [@wolfpup](#): > > speaking of power imbalance, of the ability of one single person to ruin another’s career with no accountability Something Dykstra very much did _not_ do. > [@wolfpup](#): > > What on earth do you imagine that tells us about the Dykstra-Hardwick case? What on Earth do you imagine it doesn’t? > [@wolfpup](#): > > The **only** specific facts at hand are about how three major organizations independently all reacted to the allegations after their respective investigations. Three major capitalist companies investigating their powerful, very well-connected male employee. Those are also facts. > [@wolfpup](#): > > I sure hope to God you’re never on a jury. Whereas I thank Hastur I’m not in a jury-using jurisdiction. > [@wolfpup](#): > > How much mileage do you think you’d get out of those “facts” in a court of law? Why should I give a fuck, as this isn’t about legal cases. > [@wolfpup](#): > > And of course, Dykstra knew all long that Hardwick would be quickly reinstated and his career not harmed at all That would certainly have been the safe way to bet. > [@wolfpup](#): > > she only wrote that piece because … reasons Reasons she gave in the piece. So I guess sarcasm fail on that one. ---
**Author:** ![Zoobi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/13edae/32.png) [@Zoobi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Zoobi)\ **Post date:** [July 16, 2025, 2:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cancel-culture-and-canceling-versus-consequences-for-actions/1020644/533 "2025-07-16T14:54:12Z")
I never claimed it’s not censorship. Freedom of speech can lead to censorship, in fact it has to allow it to occur at the social level. ---
**Author:** ![Babale](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/babale/32/15666_2.png) [@Babale](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Babale)\ **Post date:** [July 16, 2025, 2:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cancel-culture-and-canceling-versus-consequences-for-actions/1020644/534 "2025-07-16T14:54:33Z")
> [@MrDibble](#): > > Three major capitalist companies investigating their powerful, very well-connected male employee. Those are also facts. Can you make an argument that _doesn’t_ rely on inherent distrust of capitalism? You know, for those of us who think it’s actually a fairly effective way of organizing society? [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cancel-culture-and-canceling-versus-consequences-for-actions/1020644.md?page=15) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cancel-culture-and-canceling-versus-consequences-for-actions/1020644.md?page=17)