# Cancel Culture and Virtue Signaling -- What’s the case against them? **URL:** \ **Category:** Great Debates\ **Created:** [February 14, 2022, 1:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cancel-culture-and-virtue-signaling-what-s-the-case-against-them/959459 "2022-02-14T13:43:08Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 5
**Author:** ![k9bfriender](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/k9bfriender/32/3283_2.png) [@k9bfriender](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/k9bfriender)\ **Post date:** [February 14, 2022, 11:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cancel-culture-and-virtue-signaling-what-s-the-case-against-them/959459/93 "2022-02-14T23:29:57Z")
Tweeting is arson now? ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [February 14, 2022, 11:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cancel-culture-and-virtue-signaling-what-s-the-case-against-them/959459/94 "2022-02-14T23:30:11Z")
Rogan can still say what he wants, and associate with whom he wants. Unless they don’t want to associate with him anymore - they have that freedom too. ---
**Author:** ![k9bfriender](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/k9bfriender/32/3283_2.png) [@k9bfriender](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/k9bfriender)\ **Post date:** [February 14, 2022, 11:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cancel-culture-and-virtue-signaling-what-s-the-case-against-them/959459/96 "2022-02-14T23:31:17Z")
Oh, so is my freedom of speech being violated because Spotify hasn’t offered me a 100 million dollar contract? ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [February 14, 2022, 11:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cancel-culture-and-virtue-signaling-what-s-the-case-against-them/959459/97 "2022-02-14T23:31:23Z")
He can exercise it all he wants. He can say anything he wants. And I can say Spotify should drop him. If they do, he can still say anything he wants. ---
**Author:** ![Max\_S](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/46a35a/32.png) [@Max\_S](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Max_S)\ **Post date:** [February 14, 2022, 11:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cancel-culture-and-virtue-signaling-what-s-the-case-against-them/959459/98 "2022-02-14T23:31:25Z")
> [@Ann\_Hedonia](#): > > One woman was fired from a White House job for liking a post by Taylor Swift encouraging people to vote, because the photo in the post was an endorsement of a Democratic candidate. In all fairness I don’t remember reading that she was _fired_, just that Mark Meadows had to leave the room during Amy Coney Barrett’s confirmation hearings on account of this very important matter of liking Taylor Swift on Instagram. ~Max ---
**Author:** ![RitterSport](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rittersport/32/6326_2.png) [@RitterSport](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RitterSport)\ **Post date:** [February 14, 2022, 11:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cancel-culture-and-virtue-signaling-what-s-the-case-against-them/959459/99 "2022-02-14T23:32:33Z")
So, how does this work? Whoever speaks first doesn’t get criticism? This doesn’t seem well thought out. /Captain Obvious ---
**Author:** ![k9bfriender](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/k9bfriender/32/3283_2.png) [@k9bfriender](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/k9bfriender)\ **Post date:** [February 14, 2022, 11:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cancel-culture-and-virtue-signaling-what-s-the-case-against-them/959459/100 "2022-02-14T23:33:45Z")
I guess so. So, I think that Spotify should drop Joe Rogan. And if anyone disagrees with me, they are violating my civil rights, just like burning down my house and breaking my kneecaps. ---
**Author:** ![Miller](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/miller/32/481_2.png) [@Miller](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Miller)\ **Post date:** [February 14, 2022, 11:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cancel-culture-and-virtue-signaling-what-s-the-case-against-them/959459/102 "2022-02-14T23:36:08Z")
> [@FortKnox](#): > > You can have your tool. Joe Rogan can have his tool. You want your tool but don’t want Joe Rogan to have his tool. I’ll have to double check, but I’m pretty sure I don’t have a 100 million dollar deal with Spotify. That’s a tool Joe Rogan has that I definitely do not have. The only tool I have is a guarantee that the government won’t lock me up because they don’t like what I say. That’s a tool Joe Rogan also has. It’s a tool he still has if he loses that $100 million dollar Spotify deal. ---
**Author:** ![k9bfriender](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/k9bfriender/32/3283_2.png) [@k9bfriender](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/k9bfriender)\ **Post date:** [February 14, 2022, 11:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cancel-culture-and-virtue-signaling-what-s-the-case-against-them/959459/103 "2022-02-14T23:37:57Z")
> [@Miller](#): > > It’s a tool he still has if he loses that $100 million dollar Spotify deal. I have no idea what the contract looks like, but I would be surprised if Spotify wouldn’t have to pay out a substantial, if not all of, the contract even if they drop his show. He will still have free speech, and a whole lot of money. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [February 14, 2022, 11:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cancel-culture-and-virtue-signaling-what-s-the-case-against-them/959459/104 "2022-02-14T23:38:22Z")
Sounds good to me! I agree and think that Spotify should drop Rogan. And I’ll urge musicians to follow the examples set by Crosby and others. Rogan and his supporters can advocate differently if they want. ---
**Author:** ![RitterSport](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rittersport/32/6326_2.png) [@RitterSport](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RitterSport)\ **Post date:** [February 14, 2022, 11:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cancel-culture-and-virtue-signaling-what-s-the-case-against-them/959459/105 "2022-02-14T23:39:29Z")
> [@k9bfriender](#): > > So, I think that Spotify should drop Joe Rogan. And if anyone disagrees with me, they are violating my civil rights, just like burning down my house and breaking my kneecaps. Sorry, you’re too late. Someone above already wants Joe Rogan to stay, so you’d be canceling them. ETA: Can we at least all agree that Rogan is a tool? ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [February 14, 2022, 11:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cancel-culture-and-virtue-signaling-what-s-the-case-against-them/959459/107 "2022-02-14T23:43:02Z")
Twitter is incapable of censoring someone, aside from kicking them off Twitter. Which isn’t censorship, since Twitter is not public property, but rather a private company. ---
**Author:** ![Chingon](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chingon/32/17645_2.png) [@Chingon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chingon)\ **Post date:** [February 14, 2022, 11:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cancel-culture-and-virtue-signaling-what-s-the-case-against-them/959459/108 "2022-02-14T23:43:06Z")
Oh I see what’s going on here. Shame on me for giving it the attention. ---
**Author:** ![Miller](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/miller/32/481_2.png) [@Miller](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Miller)\ **Post date:** [February 14, 2022, 11:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cancel-culture-and-virtue-signaling-what-s-the-case-against-them/959459/110 "2022-02-14T23:47:29Z")
FTR, I just got kicked off Facebook for two days for telling a homophobe to go fuck himself. My free speech rights remain fully intact. ---
**Author:** ![fedman1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/e495f1/32.png) [@fedman1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/fedman1)\ **Post date:** [February 14, 2022, 11:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cancel-culture-and-virtue-signaling-what-s-the-case-against-them/959459/111 "2022-02-14T23:48:18Z")
But “cancel culture” has become ideological litmus test for people to measure up 100% to current PC standards. So, US Grant, who put his life on the line to destroy Confederacy/end slavery, is still condemned–and had his statue removed-because he inherited 1 slave from his wife and freed him. Good deeds don’t count if you make one deviation from rules. When will vegans/vegetarians start making their demands known? While it may not matter to Dopers, as a Christian, “cancel culture” bothers me for absence of repentance/forgiveness. ---
**Author:** ![Miller](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/miller/32/481_2.png) [@Miller](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Miller)\ **Post date:** [February 14, 2022, 11:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cancel-culture-and-virtue-signaling-what-s-the-case-against-them/959459/112 "2022-02-14T23:50:22Z")
> [@fedman1](#): > > But “cancel culture” has become ideological litmus test for people to measure up 100% to current PC standards. So, US Grant, who put his life on the line to destroy Confederacy/end slavery, is still condemned–and had his statue removed-because he inherited 1 slave from his wife and freed him. [Actually, Grant’s statue was pulled down because of all the Indians he killed.](https://indiancountrytoday.com/archive/ulysses-s-grant-mass-genocide-through-permanent-peace-policy#:~:text=While%20Indians%20on%20reservations%20experienced,the%20worst%20massacres%20in%20history.) ---
**Author:** ![Miller](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/miller/32/481_2.png) [@Miller](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Miller)\ **Post date:** [February 15, 2022, 12:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cancel-culture-and-virtue-signaling-what-s-the-case-against-them/959459/114 "2022-02-15T00:05:19Z")
> [@FortKnox](#): > > Is this what you want? Facebook, twitter, et al telling you what is acceptable speech? Think. I think Miller should be free to tell a homophobe to go fuck himself. Yes, this is precisely what I want. Because if I want to retain the right to kick someone off of _this_ board for _being_ a homophobe, I have to support Facebook’s right to kick me off of their board for telling a homophobe to fuck off. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [February 15, 2022, 12:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cancel-culture-and-virtue-signaling-what-s-the-case-against-them/959459/115 "2022-02-15T00:09:10Z")
Facebook gets to decide what’s acceptable speech on Facebook. I get to decide what’s acceptable speech in my living room. The same principle applies to both. Facebook gets to decide on Facebook, I get to decide for my living room. ---
**Author:** ![Ann\_Hedonia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ann_hedonia/32/319_2.png) [@Ann\_Hedonia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ann_Hedonia)\ **Post date:** [February 15, 2022, 12:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cancel-culture-and-virtue-signaling-what-s-the-case-against-them/959459/117 "2022-02-15T00:12:57Z")
I’m pretty sure ( call it 95%) I read that she WAS fired. I don’t remember the source but I think it was Stephanie Grisham’s book, so I don’t have a link. ---
**Author:** ![Miller](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/miller/32/481_2.png) [@Miller](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Miller)\ **Post date:** [February 15, 2022, 12:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cancel-culture-and-virtue-signaling-what-s-the-case-against-them/959459/118 "2022-02-15T00:14:06Z")
> [@FortKnox](#): > > Last I checked Facebook had like 5 gazillion users. You are ok with Facebook censoring anti-homophobe posts? I’m okay with Facebook having the right to do what they want with their own property, even when it’s something that I don’t personally like. Because I want to have the right to do what I want with my own property, even if someone else doesn’t like it. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cancel-culture-and-virtue-signaling-what-s-the-case-against-them/959459.md?page=4) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cancel-culture-and-virtue-signaling-what-s-the-case-against-them/959459.md?page=6)