# CandidGamera's Comic Book Trivia

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**Category:** Miscellaneous and Personal Stuff I Must Share\
**Created:** [March 8, 2004, 6:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/candidgameras-comic-book-trivia/233161 "2004-03-08T18:48:17Z")\
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> [@CandidGamera](#):
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> A few more questions :
> 
> #14) What anthropomorphic-animal-incarnation of Ghost Rider would Peter Porker, the Amazing Spider-Ham, be likely to encounter?

I can still recall doubling over in laughter at seeing **Goose Rider**. It was only an advertisement, but the little picture of him had this flaming duck (er… goose, I guess!) skull going “HONK!”

> [@DocCathode](#):
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> It’s also worth noting Madcap’s decidely unsilly origin. He was a Fundy Christian riding with his friends and family in a bus headed for Bible camp. There was an accident. Every other passenger on the bus was killed. But the accident had activated Madcap’s mutant powers. He was unable to feel pain, and healed any injury at a speed that put Wolverine to shame. Madcap took the whole thing as proof that there was no God. He stole a harlequin costume and a toy gun and went out to convince people that life is meaningless and that the universe is governed by randomness.

During his brief appearance in _Power Pack_, Madcap tries to convince the kids that they shouldn’t pay attention to things their elders tell them for the same reasons.

Of course, when he runs with a stick, falls, and plunges the stick through his head, putting out his own eye, this _reinforces_ the kids’ belief in what their parents have told them.

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> [@psiekier](#):
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> I can still recall doubling over in laughter at seeing **Goose Rider**. It was only an advertisement, but the little picture of him had this flaming duck (er… goose, I guess!) skull going “HONK!”

Ke-rrectamundo.

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> [@CandidGamera](#):
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> It’s a bit … well, I was going to say more obscure, but that’s pretty obscure in and of itself. To prove the Speed Force functions in the Marvel Universe, a core Marvel book must refer to the Speed Force itself in a reasonably-identifiable fashion, or demonstrate a character running at Super-Speed whom we know uses the Speed Force… which would have to be a character reasonably-identifiable as a DC character.
> 
> There. That’s enough hint. It is a strange hybrid of trivia and critical thinking, though.

WAGs The Whizzer from Squadron Supreme? Sadly, I can’t remember his origin. However the Squadron is thinly veiled Justice League (or is it the Justice Society?), and the Whizzer is the Flash character. Though the Squadron lives on alternate earth, there have been crossovers between the two worlds.

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    The Speed Demon? I can remember almost nothing about this guy. I think the only Speed Demon appearance I have is an issue of What The? in which he is defeated when he slips on Spider Baby's drool.
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**Post date:** [April 5, 2004, 5:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/candidgameras-comic-book-trivia/233161/124 "2004-04-05T17:13:23Z")

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> [@DocCathode](#):
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> WAGs The Whizzer from Squadron Supreme? Sadly, I can’t remember his origin. However the Squadron is thinly veiled Justice League (or is it the Justice Society?), and the Whizzer is the Flash character. Though the Squadron lives on alternate earth, there have been crossovers between the two worlds.
> 
> ```
> The Speed Demon? I can remember almost nothing about this guy. I think the only Speed Demon appearance I have is an issue of What The? in which he is defeated when he slips on Spider Baby's drool.
> 
> ```

Not Speed Demon. And not the Whizzer. Though as soon as I posted my last one, I knew ‘Someone’s gonna say the Whizzer.’

I remember that issue of What The? , though. Funny.

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> [@Bosda Di'Chi of Tricor](#):
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> Correct.
> 
> **Next Question:** Why was Betty _able_ to meet Archie first? (In continuity terms, of course.)

I declare that the panel has been stumped, & the question is closed!

Betty was able to meet Archie first, because Betty & her family, like Archie & his parents, are Riverdale natives, & both kids were born there. Veronica Lodge was born out of town, & her family re-settled in Riverdale after Ronnie got kicked out of a snooty private school for troublemaking. Mr. Lodge thought that a quiet town like Riverdale would be a better environment for Veronica than the Big City.

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**Post date:** [April 5, 2004, 6:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/candidgameras-comic-book-trivia/233161/126 "2004-04-05T18:38:26Z")

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[QUOTE=Brainiac4]

4.) Nightcrawler is extremely agile, can stick to walls, has a prehensile tail, and can teleport. What’s his other mutation, apart from his appearance?  
He’s invisible in shadows.

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I seem to recall that when John Byrne was at the height of his X-Men popularity, he decided the “invisible in shadows” thing wasn’t true. He (I don’t know whether this was with Claremont or on his own) decreed that Nightcrawler simply blended well with shadows because of his dark coloring but didn’t actually turn invisible.

Of course, Byrne has decreed a lot of dumb things that other people have reversed.

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I remember a story in which Wally West’s origin occurred the way I described, but I can’t say whether it’s been that way in all versions.

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Is the answer to the Speed Force question the appearance of “Buried Alien”? I think it was in Quasar’s book.

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> [@knarf](#):
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> Is the answer to the Speed Force question the appearance of “Buried Alien”? I think it was in Quasar’s book.

My, my. Another Quasar reader. Excellent. Yes, that is what I was looking for. For the rest : Let me 'splain.

Way back when, Quasar had a pal named Makkari, one of the Eternals whose area of interest was running. One of the Elders of the Universe popped by and invited Makkari to participate in a race … the champion of the local space race would go on to the galactic one, etc.

Well, in the middle of the race, who should appear at the beginning of the track (which was formed of energy and ran through a vast distance of space) but a mysterious blond-haired stranger in what seemed to be remnants of a red costume. Seems the writers on Quasar at the time decided to have a little fun with unauthorized use of DC intellectual property, but in a fun way… for at the end of the race, which this mostly-amnesiac stranger won easily… when asked his name, he replies that he thinks it was something like ‘Buried alien’ … obviously a nod to Barry Allen.

Still the fastest man alive, even in the Marvel universe.

Of course, technically it wasn’t until later that a clever writer on DC’s Flash title retconned the idea of a ‘Speed Force’… but when one makes use of another company’s characters, one accepts the risk of retroactive continuity.

Of course it can be argued that it’s not really Barry, etc, yadda yadda… but it’s more fun if it is.

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> [@Vlad Dracul](#):
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> I remember a story in which Wally West’s origin occurred the way I described, but I can’t say whether it’s been that way in all versions.

Well, things change in comics continuity. To be fair, I’ll go ahead and nix the question, then… no one else seems anxious to answer it. The version I recall had Barry, as the Flash, ironically explaining to Wally about the accident that gave him his powers… when suddenly the very same thing happens to Wally.

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> [@Bosda Di'Chi of Tricor](#):
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> Starting in the 1960’s, the Archie Comics kids made periodic appearances as superheroes.
> 
> Give the Secret Identity of each character.  
> [list=a]  
> [li]Archie Andrews?[/li][li]Reggie Mantle?[/li][li]Betty Cooper?[/li][li]“Jughead” Jones? _Bonus points for his real first name._[/li][li]Moose Mason?[/li][li]Veronica Lodge?[/li][/list]

Archie (Archibald) Andrews was Pureheart the Powerful  
Reggie Mantle was Evilheart  
Betty Cooper was Superteen  
Forsythe (Jughead) P. Jones was Captain Hero ("Teenie Weenie Magic Beanie/Pointing towards the sky/Give me muscles strength and vigor/Make me a super-guy:)

Moose and Veronica weren’t super-heroes in the first iterations of the characters from the '60s (Life With Archie 44-about 60)

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> [@Fenris](#):
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> Archie (Archibald) Andrews was Pureheart the Powerful  
> Reggie Mantle was Evilheart  
> Betty Cooper was Superteen  
> Forsythe (Jughead) P. Jones was Captain Hero ("Teenie Weenie Magic Beanie/Pointing towards the sky/Give me muscles strength and vigor/Make me a super-guy:)
> 
> Moose and Veronica weren’t super-heroes in the first iterations of the characters from the '60s (Life With Archie 44-about 60)

Correct, as far as it goes.

But subsequent tales gave each an identity & powers.

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> [@Bosda Di'Chi of Tricor](#):
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> Correct, as far as it goes.
> 
> But subsequent tales gave each an identity & powers.

Sadly, I haven’t read the subsequent tales!

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#6) Who gave Impulse (now Kid Flash) his original costumed-identity name? [Not Wally]

#8) In which DC “event” miniseries did the Justice Society return from repeatedly fighting the battle of Ragnarok?

#17) After travelling through the Siege Perilous and, in essence, being reincarnated, where did the X-Man Rogue reappear on Earth? [Not the Savage Land]

#18) The Golden Age Superman was eventually made the editor of which newspaper? [And it is not the Daily Planet]

#20) According to current DC continuity, who were the first two masked vigilantes to make their presence known?

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#8 I happened to spot the answer in another thread. Since I wasn’t actually searching for answers but simply reading a thread in CS, I don’t feel this counts as cheating. Armageddon:Inferno. The JSA was not actually fighting Ragnarok, but had somehow entered Odin’s Ragnarok simulation.  
RE The Archies

When the Riverdale gang meets the Archie comics superheroes (the Fly, The Shield, The Comet etc), which kid is possessed by Brain Emperor?

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> [@DocCathode](#):
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> #8 I happened to spot the answer in another thread. Since I wasn’t actually searching for answers but simply reading a thread in CS, I don’t feel this counts as cheating. Armageddon:Inferno. The JSA was not actually fighting Ragnarok, but had somehow entered Odin’s Ragnarok simulation.

Yeah, I saw it’d been mentioned over there. But not, that’s just my bad luck, not cheating.

Re: Ragnarok - Technically true. Interesting ret-con on Gaiman’s part, that. Apparently Odin’s simulation was good enough to fool the Spectre.

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> [@CandidGamera](#):
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> #17) After travelling through the Siege Perilous and, in essence, being reincarnated, where did the X-Man Rogue reappear on Earth? [Not the Savage Land]  
> #20) According to current DC continuity, who were the first two masked vigilantes to make their presence known?

#17 Australia

#20  
One is the Crimson Avenger, and the other…isn’t.

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#17) She reappeared in Carol Danver’s apartment (I think). Though she ended up in the Savage Land by the end of the issue.

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> [@CandidGamera](#):
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> Re: Ragnarok - Technically true. Interesting ret-con on Gaiman’s part, that. Apparently Odin’s simulation was good enough to fool the Spectre.

I liked his interpretation that Odin’s ravens, Hugin(thought) and Munin(memory), are not simply scouts or spies. When Odin sends them forth, they take with them his actual thought and memory, he can only sit on his throne (OTTOMH hildskalf) as a vegetable until they return.

Ragnarok Question

What limited Marvel series resulted from Marvel’s Odin attempting to avoid Ragnarok?

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> [@Bosda Di'Chi of Tricor](#):
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> #17 Australia
> 
> #20  
> One is the Crimson Avenger, and the other…isn’t.

Correct, and correct, as far as it goes. 😉 The Crimson Avenger was indeed the first vigilante on the scene according to most sources, and the other fellow was the second… but a handful of sources hint that this second fellow was first, which is why I phrased the question like that.

Starbury - you’re incorrect, it wasn’t Carol Danvers’s apartment … it was actually Rogue’s room in the X-Men’s Australian base. What may be throwing you is the fact that Carol Danvers, or a spectre thereof, showed up at the same time. The real Carol Danvers was either still gallivanting about in space as Binary … or languishing in her post-Binary, pre-Warbird phase.

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