# Cannabis Extracts for the Primary Treatment of Cancer, Epilepsy, and More **URL:** \ **Category:** Great Debates\ **Created:** [November 11, 2013, 10:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cannabis-extracts-for-the-primary-treatment-of-cancer-epilepsy-and-more/673684 "2013-11-11T22:30:46Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 20
**Author:** ![JKander](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/8797f3/32.png) [@JKander](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JKander)\ **Post date:** [November 18, 2013, 12:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cannabis-extracts-for-the-primary-treatment-of-cancer-epilepsy-and-more/673684/382 "2013-11-18T00:31:24Z")
You’re right BPC - I have gained enough from this thread at this point. In addition to the now absurdly ridiculous hope that I could find someone to potentially help in some way through this forum, I needed to see what the strongest objections to this report were. You all have provided exactly that - I know _the best_ arguments people can make. There’s nobody who can argue against this report and shoot it down better than you all. The veracity, the fire, the uncompromising scrutiny of pure scientific minds - **that is what I needed.** And having been through this, I know that if I was to go up against the best scientific minds in an actual, regulated, thorough debate, I would win. That’s what I needed to know, and now I do. However it sounds, I do thank you for these insights. I get the strong feeling no further insights will be gleaned, so I won’t be responding to this thread any further unless it is to supply some groundbreaking update. However, I will respond to any PMs that people send me, so if you have any questions or want anything I’ll be there. ---
**Author:** ![Budget\_Player\_Cadet](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/budget_player_cadet/32/205_2.png) [@Budget\_Player\_Cadet](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Budget_Player_Cadet)\ **Post date:** [November 18, 2013, 12:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cannabis-extracts-for-the-primary-treatment-of-cancer-epilepsy-and-more/673684/383 "2013-11-18T00:32:07Z")
> [@JKander](#): > > One of the biggest problems you all have with this, which is understandable, is thinking the cases are not representative. That I only picked the best cases and am leaving out many failures, so the apparent high success rate of the medicine is obscured. I’m countering that directly by saying _it’s not the case._ And I’ve been countering this for the last 8 pages or so by pointing out that _I don’t believe you_, and that _you need to prove that this is in fact the case_. > [@](#): > > As for funding, I’m not sure exactly how it’s going to come together yet, but there are potential paths forming that I’m hopeful about. I’m going to continue along my current course until something breaks through. [Somehow I just had to do this.](http://www.listenonrepeat.com/watch/?v=1fTIhC1WSew) Any comment on how your report is not likely to be convincing to anyone with the critical thinking skills of a particularly bright walrus? EDIT: Aaaaand there he goes. Most likely to propose this same crap on some other, more credulous forum. I’m reminded of Saveaman, who, when his sexist screeds didn’t gain much traction here, pointed out how well they went over on a bodybuilder forum. 😃 ---
**Author:** ![Truman\_Burbank](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/ecc23a/32.png) [@Truman\_Burbank](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Truman_Burbank)\ **Post date:** [November 18, 2013, 12:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cannabis-extracts-for-the-primary-treatment-of-cancer-epilepsy-and-more/673684/384 "2013-11-18T00:32:30Z")
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**Author:** ![dasmoocher](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/dbc845/32.png) [@dasmoocher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dasmoocher)\ **Post date:** [November 18, 2013, 12:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cannabis-extracts-for-the-primary-treatment-of-cancer-epilepsy-and-more/673684/385 "2013-11-18T00:34:42Z")
> [@JKander](#): > > I’m countering that directly by saying _it’s not the case._ See, that’s part of your problem. Saying something doesn’t prove or counter anything. Every other miracle cure advocate _says_ their cure works. We’re not saying that a cannabis treatment won’t work. We’re saying you haven’t proved it does. ETA: I guess he’s gone. ---
**Author:** ![Qadgop\_the\_Mercotan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/qadgop_the_mercotan/32/83_2.png) [@Qadgop\_the\_Mercotan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Qadgop_the_Mercotan)\ **Post date:** [November 18, 2013, 12:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cannabis-extracts-for-the-primary-treatment-of-cancer-epilepsy-and-more/673684/386 "2013-11-18T00:37:40Z")
> [@JKander](#): > > I know that if I was to go up against the best scientific minds in an actual, regulated, thorough debate, I would win. And there’s one of your biggest blind spots. It’s **not** about winning. It’s about getting to the truth. ---
**Author:** ![simster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/simster/32/1047_2.png) [@simster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/simster)\ **Post date:** [November 18, 2013, 12:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cannabis-extracts-for-the-primary-treatment-of-cancer-epilepsy-and-more/673684/387 "2013-11-18T00:41:03Z")
> [@Qadgop\_the\_Mercotan](#): > > And there’s one of your biggest blind spots. > > It’s **not** about winning. It’s about getting to the truth. I still find it fascinating that he thinks he ‘won’ here - ---
**Author:** ![Truman\_Burbank](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/ecc23a/32.png) [@Truman\_Burbank](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Truman_Burbank)\ **Post date:** [November 18, 2013, 12:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cannabis-extracts-for-the-primary-treatment-of-cancer-epilepsy-and-more/673684/388 "2013-11-18T00:45:57Z")
If he checks back, maybe he could provide a link to his conversation in the ‘pro-pot’ forum. I’d be interested to see how it is received there. ---
**Author:** ![Mr.Miskatonic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mr.miskatonic/32/310_2.png) [@Mr.Miskatonic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mr.Miskatonic)\ **Post date:** [November 18, 2013, 12:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cannabis-extracts-for-the-primary-treatment-of-cancer-epilepsy-and-more/673684/389 "2013-11-18T00:47:00Z")
> [@JKander](#): > > There have been so many times I’ve been misinterpreted in this thread, > [@JKander](#): > > I continuously keep getting misinterpreted on many issues. I never said it works all the time for every case. Does it occur to you that this is not the fault of the people on this message board? ---
**Author:** ![Ambivalid](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/a5b964/32.png) [@Ambivalid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ambivalid)\ **Post date:** [November 18, 2013, 12:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cannabis-extracts-for-the-primary-treatment-of-cancer-epilepsy-and-more/673684/390 "2013-11-18T00:49:55Z")
> [@](#): > > One of the biggest problems you all have with this, which is understandable, is thinking the cases are not representative. That I only picked the best cases and am leaving out many failures, so the apparent high success rate of the medicine is obscured. I’m countering that directly by saying\* it’s not the case\*. He’s _countering y’all directly!_[Game over.](http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i7OyKAFu50M) ---
**Author:** ![Smeghead](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/f1d935/32.png) [@Smeghead](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smeghead)\ **Post date:** [November 18, 2013, 1:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cannabis-extracts-for-the-primary-treatment-of-cancer-epilepsy-and-more/673684/391 "2013-11-18T01:00:58Z")
> [@simster](#): > > I still find it fascinating that he thinks he ‘won’ here - This is absolutely par for the course for alternative health nut zealots - slink away in defeat, loudly crowing their own victory, having learned nothing, having changed nothing. ---
**Author:** ![simster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/simster/32/1047_2.png) [@simster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/simster)\ **Post date:** [November 18, 2013, 1:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cannabis-extracts-for-the-primary-treatment-of-cancer-epilepsy-and-more/673684/392 "2013-11-18T01:08:44Z")
> [@Smeghead](#): > > This is absolutely par for the course for alternative health nut zealots - slink away in defeat, loudly crowing their own victory, having learned nothing, having changed nothing. oh - absolutely - “look at how badly I bruised his knuckles!” ---
**Author:** ![dasmoocher](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/dbc845/32.png) [@dasmoocher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dasmoocher)\ **Post date:** [November 18, 2013, 1:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cannabis-extracts-for-the-primary-treatment-of-cancer-epilepsy-and-more/673684/393 "2013-11-18T01:19:59Z")
Just in case **JKander** comes back, or if anyone else is interested, [Cousera](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coursera) offers a MOOC entitled “Drug Discovery, Development & Commercialization”. He could learn about how drugs are actually approved instead of having a fantasy about hospice trials. Not sure when it’s offered next, but it’s at a grad level for law, medicine, and science students and it’s free. Has a discussion forum where he can post his “evidence” and get feedback from potentially 1000’s of people with an interest in the topic. Description: > [@](#): > > Thank you for signing up for the Drug Discovery, Development and Commercialization (DDC) class at the Skaggs School of Pharmacy and Pharmaceutical Sciences (SSPPS) at the University of California, San Diego (UC San Diego). We are delighted to see that over 13,000 students have signed up on Coursera for the course as of today. > > As you know, the course focuses on Drug Discovery, Development and Commercialization for therapeutic drugs. The course has been taught to UC San Diego students from SSPPS, the School of Medicine, the Biomedical graduate program, Rady School of Management, and UCI Law for the past four years. All videos were taken during the class last quarter, so you may hear questions asked by students. > > This course is not just centered on the US system, but is also relevant to international drug discovery and development. In this course, you will utilize some previous knowledge of chemistry, pharmacokinetics, pharmaceutics, pharmacological biochemistry, study design, drug information, pharmacogenomics, and pharmacology to learn about the complete process of drug discovery, development, manufacturing, portfolio management and strategic marketing of a new pharmaceutical drug. > > Each week you will learn the steps that a pharmaceutical or biotech company goes through to discover and develop a new therapeutic drug. You will apply the knowledge that you have gained through lectures and readings to developing a Life Cycle Strategic Plan (LCSP) for a new drug. The second lecture will give you a better understanding of what is a Life Cycle Strategic Plan. Later, we will also provide a detailed outline as to what needs to be included in the plan. He could even use cannabis oil as his project: > [@](#): > > The final exam will require you to develop a 50-minute presentation of a Life Cycle Strategic Plan for a pharmaceutical drug of your choice using presentation software. Students can either work in virtual groups or individually. During the course at UC San Diego, we assign students to a group containing one pharmacy (PharmD), one business (MBA), one graduate (Ph.D.), and one medical (MD) student, with the caveat that each student will provide a unique perspective on various areas of the drug discovery, development, and commercialization process. Hopefully, by the end of the course, you will have a better understanding of translational research and what it takes to go from bench to bedside, as well as an understanding of the multifaceted aspect of how new drugs are discovered, developed, approved and sold. Every week, you will have a quiz with multiple-choice questions that will test your comprehension of the material presented during each lecture. > **[Coursera | Degrees, Certificates, & Free Online Courses](https://www.coursera.org/)** > > Learn new job skills in online courses from industry leaders like Google, IBM, & Meta. Advance your career with top degrees from Michigan, Penn, Imperial & more. ---
**Author:** ![running\_coach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/running_coach/32/15836_2.png) [@running\_coach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/running_coach)\ **Post date:** [November 18, 2013, 1:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cannabis-extracts-for-the-primary-treatment-of-cancer-epilepsy-and-more/673684/394 "2013-11-18T01:24:33Z")
> [@JKander](#): > > As for Cash Hyde, his story is doubtless a testament to the effectiveness of cannabis extract medicine. First off, he was already on the verge of death - without cannabis oil, he would almost have certainly died from his first bout with cancer. He did survive his first bout without the oil. [From his story.](http://www.cashhydefoundation.com/) > [@](#): > > July 27th, 2012 Cashy’s MRI revealed a 2.7cm brain tumor in the same location as the previous two tumors. We were devastated but\*\* we’re hopeful that we would be able to save him with a natural treatment plan using cannabis oil\*\*, the Gerson Therapy and other immune boosting remedies. > [@](#): > > Cashy Fought hard for five more months, he **never received one more poke** , like we had promised. He never set foot in the hospital ever again. Cashy passed away November 14th, 2012 in the arms of his daddy while wearing a pair of his favorite monkey pajamas. He died five months later while using alternative methods when chemo had gotten him through the first two tumors. ---
**Author:** ![dropzone](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dropzone/32/7515_2.png) [@dropzone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dropzone)\ **Post date:** [November 18, 2013, 3:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cannabis-extracts-for-the-primary-treatment-of-cancer-epilepsy-and-more/673684/395 "2013-11-18T03:12:09Z")
> [@Truman\_Burbank](#): > > Me: Did you come to this site because you thought it was for pot enthusiasts? I knew that name would get Cecil in trouble eventually. ---
**Author:** ![Jonathan\_Chance](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jonathan_chance/32/701_2.png) [@Jonathan\_Chance](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jonathan_Chance)\ **Post date:** [November 18, 2013, 3:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cannabis-extracts-for-the-primary-treatment-of-cancer-epilepsy-and-more/673684/396 "2013-11-18T03:21:46Z")
You should try hosting a Dopefest with signs out of the road saying “Dopers” and an arrow pointing to your house. No surprise, the cops set up a checkpoint just down the road. ---
**Author:** ![Budget\_Player\_Cadet](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/budget_player_cadet/32/205_2.png) [@Budget\_Player\_Cadet](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Budget_Player_Cadet)\ **Post date:** [November 18, 2013, 8:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cannabis-extracts-for-the-primary-treatment-of-cancer-epilepsy-and-more/673684/397 "2013-11-18T08:12:02Z")
You know what the greatest tragedy about all this is? This guy did not even for a moment think “Why hasn’t anyone responded positively to my report?”. And he’s going to be hawking the same report to other people. If he tries to convince someone in a position of any authority to get that hospice trial done, this will make them think _less_ of the movement rather than more. And that sucks, because I think the cannabinoids may actually have potential - they just need to be explored more fully before we can actually tell whether that potential is real. Instead, this guy just makes the entire thing look like shit, and paints the entire marijuana legalization movement in the light of bad pseudoscience. And that _sucks_. ☹ ---
**Author:** ![dasmoocher](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/dbc845/32.png) [@dasmoocher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dasmoocher)\ **Post date:** [November 18, 2013, 5:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cannabis-extracts-for-the-primary-treatment-of-cancer-epilepsy-and-more/673684/398 "2013-11-18T17:10:57Z")
> [@Budget\_Player\_Cadet](#): > > And that sucks, because I think the cannabinoids may actually have potential - they just need to be explored more fully before we can actually tell whether that potential is real. Instead, this guy just makes the entire thing look like shit, and paints the entire marijuana legalization movement in the light of bad pseudoscience. And that _sucks_. ☹ Yeah, I noticed there were many more articles on PubMed showing potentially beneficial results with cannabinoids in model systems than not. I was looking to cherry-pick negative ones just to make a point about his “scientific report” and I had to do a lot of scrolling. But he didn’t even get what people were trying to tell him. He went against the “strongest minds and skeptics” and won. :rolleyes: We’ve just made him stronger–look out William Randolph Hearst. ---
**Author:** ![Mr.Miskatonic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mr.miskatonic/32/310_2.png) [@Mr.Miskatonic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mr.Miskatonic)\ **Post date:** [November 18, 2013, 5:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cannabis-extracts-for-the-primary-treatment-of-cancer-epilepsy-and-more/673684/399 "2013-11-18T17:18:20Z")
“Cannabis can cure Cancer!” seems to be taking the same route as 'Hemp will save the Environment" of the 90’s. A bunch of very earnest but very misinformed people whose antics set real work on decriminalization, medicine, and the environment back several years. ---
**Author:** ![Shodan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/9f8e36/32.png) [@Shodan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shodan)\ **Post date:** [November 18, 2013, 6:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cannabis-extracts-for-the-primary-treatment-of-cancer-epilepsy-and-more/673684/400 "2013-11-18T18:15:09Z")
> [@JKander](#): > > I know _the best_ arguments people can make. There’s nobody who can argue against this report and shoot it down better than you all. The veracity, the fire, the uncompromising scrutiny of pure scientific minds - **that is what I needed.** And having been through this, I know that if I was to go up against the best scientific minds in an actual, regulated, thorough debate, I would win. That’s what I needed to know, and now I do. So having your ass chewed off and handed to you has convinced you that you are going to win the next time? Ooooookayyyyy… Regards, Shodan ---
**Author:** ![dasmoocher](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/dbc845/32.png) [@dasmoocher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dasmoocher)\ **Post date:** [November 18, 2013, 6:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cannabis-extracts-for-the-primary-treatment-of-cancer-epilepsy-and-more/673684/401 "2013-11-18T18:25:16Z")
> [@Shodan](#): > > So having your ass chewed off and handed to you has convinced you that you are going to win the next time? Ooooookayyyyy… > > Regards, > Shodan Classic. I’ll use this in my “scientific report” on the [Dunning-Kruger effect](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dunning%E2%80%93Kruger_effect) (Which I’m sure is familiar to most here, but in case **JKander** is lurking). > [@](#): > > The Dunning–Kruger effect is a cognitive bias in which unskilled individuals suffer from illusory superiority, mistakenly rating their ability much higher than average. This bias is attributed to a metacognitive inability of the unskilled to recognize their mistakes. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cannabis-extracts-for-the-primary-treatment-of-cancer-epilepsy-and-more/673684.md?page=19) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cannabis-extracts-for-the-primary-treatment-of-cancer-epilepsy-and-more/673684.md?page=21)