# Cannabis Extracts for the Primary Treatment of Cancer, Epilepsy, and More **URL:** \ **Category:** Great Debates\ **Created:** [November 11, 2013, 10:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cannabis-extracts-for-the-primary-treatment-of-cancer-epilepsy-and-more/673684 "2013-11-11T22:30:46Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 23
**Author:** ![Jackmannii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jackmannii/32/311_2.png) [@Jackmannii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jackmannii)\ **Post date:** [November 21, 2013, 9:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cannabis-extracts-for-the-primary-treatment-of-cancer-epilepsy-and-more/673684/442 "2013-11-21T21:12:42Z")
> [@JFLuvly](#): > > Is this anecdotal, yes, but I have some of my life back and I personally think I owe it to the cannabis There are lots of testimonials by Freud on how good cocaine was for him. Until it wasn’t. In any event, **JKander** wasn’t just claiming beneficial pain and psychiatric symptom relief for pot, but that it healed cancer and virtually any disease (oddly, I don’t recall him claiming relief for himself. No, he was in the “movement” supposedly as a public service, though it appeared likely his altruism was related to a general hope for an ample legal supply of recreational cannabis). I would have thought you’d resent his snake oilish boosterism. ---
**Author:** ![JFLuvly](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/ac91a4/32.png) [@JFLuvly](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JFLuvly)\ **Post date:** [November 21, 2013, 10:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cannabis-extracts-for-the-primary-treatment-of-cancer-epilepsy-and-more/673684/443 "2013-11-21T22:19:18Z")
I truly do not want to argue about this…seriously, so don’t think I am running away from your posts, I just don’t have the time to look for cites for everything I say as I know you guys will accept nothing less, see ignorance fought! If you would like to check out some of the research, you could start here, it’s a list compiled with some research that goes with it. [http://boards.cannabis.com/medicinal-cannabis-health/161539-granny-storm-crows-list.html](http://boards.cannabis.com/medicinal-cannabis-health/161539-granny-storm-crows-list.html) I’m not a crusader for medical marijuana by any stretch, but I know what it has done for me and my wife. There are hundreds of ailments on the list and I have not looked at all of them, but some seem to have compelling evidence in the studies provided. I’m not saying they all work, but who knows for sure. ---
**Author:** ![dasmoocher](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/dbc845/32.png) [@dasmoocher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dasmoocher)\ **Post date:** [November 21, 2013, 10:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cannabis-extracts-for-the-primary-treatment-of-cancer-epilepsy-and-more/673684/444 "2013-11-21T22:32:21Z")
> [@JFLuvly](#): > > I’m not saying they all work, but who knows for sure. So, what would you suggest is the appropriate way to determine if they do work? ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [November 21, 2013, 10:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cannabis-extracts-for-the-primary-treatment-of-cancer-epilepsy-and-more/673684/445 "2013-11-21T22:36:51Z")
> [@JFLuvly](#): > > I truly do not want to argue about this…seriously, so don’t think I am running away from your posts, I just don’t have the time to look for cites for everything I say as I know you guys will accept nothing less, see ignorance fought! > > If you would like to check out some of the research, you could start here, it’s a list compiled with some research that goes with it. > > [http://boards.cannabis.com/medicinal-cannabis-health/161539-granny-storm-crows-list.html](http://boards.cannabis.com/medicinal-cannabis-health/161539-granny-storm-crows-list.html) Any good double-blind studies in that pile? ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [November 21, 2013, 10:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cannabis-extracts-for-the-primary-treatment-of-cancer-epilepsy-and-more/673684/446 "2013-11-21T22:53:41Z")
Also, not buying this “I’m not here to argue” crap. What makes you so special that you can present something as fact then take off without bothering to justify your words? You’ve certainly been here long enough to know that this isn’t _that_ type of forum. ---
**Author:** ![Kolga](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/e56c9b/32.png) [@Kolga](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kolga)\ **Post date:** [November 21, 2013, 11:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cannabis-extracts-for-the-primary-treatment-of-cancer-epilepsy-and-more/673684/447 "2013-11-21T23:08:46Z")
So, the pot advocates STILL cannot provide a single study to support their worship of the leaf. ---
**Author:** ![andros](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/e480ec/32.png) [@andros](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/andros)\ **Post date:** [November 21, 2013, 11:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cannabis-extracts-for-the-primary-treatment-of-cancer-epilepsy-and-more/673684/448 "2013-11-21T23:15:01Z")
> [@Kolga](#): > > So, the pot advocates STILL cannot provide a single study to support their worship of the leaf. Well, to be fair, there is an increasing body of evidence to support its efficacy for a number of concerns. It’s a reasonably effective antiemetic, f’rinstance. Just not, yanno, cancer. Or epilepsy. Or, um, “everything.” ---
**Author:** ![Johanna](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johanna/32/8318_2.png) [@Johanna](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johanna)\ **Post date:** [November 21, 2013, 11:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cannabis-extracts-for-the-primary-treatment-of-cancer-epilepsy-and-more/673684/449 "2013-11-21T23:31:23Z")
Mr. Kander, I have a question for you. The striking resemblance between your last name and the words for _Cannabis_ in several languages, including various Turkic languages, Hungarian, and Kurdish— Bashkort: kinder Crimean Tatar: kendir Kurdish: kendir Kyrgyz: kendir Hungarian: kender Tatar: kinder Turkish: kendir Uyghur: kändir Uzbek: kendir —is that coincidental or deliberate? ---
**Author:** ![dasmoocher](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/dbc845/32.png) [@dasmoocher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dasmoocher)\ **Post date:** [November 22, 2013, 12:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cannabis-extracts-for-the-primary-treatment-of-cancer-epilepsy-and-more/673684/450 "2013-11-22T00:01:28Z")
> [@Johanna](#): > > —is that coincidental or deliberate? I think it’s coincidence, but who knows? Likes “kind bud”. He also has several Kindle items on Amazon: This is the one he came here with. [The Comprehensive Report on the Cannabis Extract Movement and the Use of Cannabis Extracts to Treat Diseases](http://www.amazon.com/Comprehensive-Cannabis-Movement-Extracts-Diseases-ebook/dp/B00FZVRYL2/ref=sr_1_1?s=digital-text&ie=UTF8&qid=1385077317&sr=1-1) > [@](#): > > This report examines the cannabis extract movement and the overwhelming amount of evidence demonstrating that cannabis extracts can eliminate cancers in humans. This report contains direct medical documentation from terminal cancer patients who are now in remission through the use of cannabis extracts, along with amazing testimonials of people who are controlling diabetes, multiple sclerosis, rheumatoid arthritis, Crohn’s, chronic pain, lupus, fibromyalgia, depression, and more. And [10 Unique Ways to Make Money Online](http://www.amazon.com/Unique-Ways-Make-Money-Online-ebook/dp/B008LP8K4E/ref=sr_1_2?s=digital-text&ie=UTF8&qid=1385077317&sr=1-2) > [@](#): > > Do you want easy, fun ways to make meaningful amounts of income online without wasting your time? Learn from a 9-year veteran of the Internet earning industry about what really works and how you can make the most money from your time. [Being Free - Achieving Ultimate Health Through a Gluten-Free, Meat-Free, Dairy-Free, Sugar-Free, Soy-Free, Artificial-Free, and DIET-Free Lifestyle](http://www.amazon.com/Being-Free-Gluten-Free-Dairy-Free-Artificial-Free-ebook/dp/B00A94KOVC/ref=sr_1_3?s=digital-text&ie=UTF8&qid=1385077317&sr=1-3) > [@](#): > > If you are truly serious about getting healthy and living life to the fullest, you must turn to your diet as the source for change. By becoming free of the most harmful ingredients in the Standard American Diet, you can realize unbelievable and miraculous transformations in your physical, mental, emotional, and spiritual health. [Cannabis Prohibition: How the World’s Worst Drug Policy Has Suppressed Solutions for Disease, Hunger, Climate Change and More](http://www.amazon.com/Cannabis-Prohibition-Suppressed-Solutions-Disease-ebook/dp/B007W1ISJA/ref=sr_1_4?s=digital-text&ie=UTF8&qid=1385077317&sr=1-4) > [@](#): > > For over 70 years, cannabis has been regarded as a threat to society by governments all over the world. In reality, not only is cannabis not harmful, it is a resource which must be utilized to its fullest extent, and withholding cannabis is on par with perpetuating mass death and suffering. > > This book elaborates on all the ways in which Cannabis Prohibition contributes to death, destruction, lost potential, and suffering across the globe. If you think the story ends with the victims of cartels and incarcerated cannabis users, there is so much more you need to know. [Cannabis Concoctions](http://www.amazon.com/Cannabis-Concoctions-Jamie-Smith-ebook/dp/B007W1CI1O/ref=sr_1_5?s=digital-text&ie=UTF8&qid=1385077317&sr=1-5) > [@](#): > > A collection of medicinal cannabis recipes from real patients. Includes instructions for preparing medicinal oils, butters, tinctures, topicals, beverages, foods, and “specials”. Some recipes include medicated espresso cubes, cannabis pancakes, cannabis root beer, super tincture, and much more. [10 Simple Diet Tips to Transform Your Body and Change Your Life](http://www.amazon.com/Simple-Diet-Tips-Transform-Change-ebook/dp/B008C2YB94/ref=sr_1_6?s=digital-text&ie=UTF8&qid=1385077317&sr=1-6) > [@](#): > > Are you looking for easy, simple ways to radically improve your health while feeling like you never made any changes at all? With these tips, you can add common-sense ingredients to more meals and substitute out nutritionally-draining food items with empowering, natural whole foods. Even if you use just one of these tips, you will notice improvement in energy, mental clarity, weight, appearance, and focus. [Being Free of Pharmaceuticals Through Nutrition, Exercise, and Meditation](http://www.amazon.com/Pharmaceuticals-Through-Nutrition-Exercise-Meditation-ebook/dp/B00CRT5AMK/ref=sr_1_7?s=digital-text&ie=UTF8&qid=1385077317&sr=1-7) > [@](#): > > Pharmaceuticals are often presented as the ultimate solution to any health problem, whether it be chronic pain, headaches, insomnia, depression ,or any common ailment. Such chemical inventions are also the primary treatments for serious diseases like cancer. > > Are pharmaceuticals really the way humans were meant to heal? The wrongness of this path to health is apparent in the wide range of side effects created by pharmaceutical ingestion, and the fact that pills are generally ineffective for healing the root cause of a disease. This last one seems telling. ---
**Author:** ![JFLuvly](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/ac91a4/32.png) [@JFLuvly](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JFLuvly)\ **Post date:** [November 22, 2013, 1:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cannabis-extracts-for-the-primary-treatment-of-cancer-epilepsy-and-more/673684/451 "2013-11-22T01:33:11Z")
> [@](#): > > Also, not buying this “I’m not here to argue” crap. What makes you so special that you can present something as fact then take off without bothering to justify your words? You’ve certainly been here long enough to know that this isn’t that type of forum. Because I have other things to do with my life than argue points on a message board, not all pot smokers sit around justifying cannabis use to strangers on the internet. Have you looked at the link I added? Things like the fact that the U.S. government holds the patent on cannabinoids is interesting. [http://www.patentstorm.us/patents/6630507.html](http://www.patentstorm.us/patents/6630507.html) . Here’s a double-blind dealing with anxiety from the University of Sao Paulo [http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/21307846](http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/21307846) There are all kinds of controlled studies here in this list [http://www.cannabis-med.org/english/studies.htm#\_Toc307501841](http://www.cannabis-med.org/english/studies.htm#_Toc307501841) As I said before I really don’t have time to read through all of this, but feel free to take a look yourself and draw your own conclusions. ---
**Author:** ![JFLuvly](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/ac91a4/32.png) [@JFLuvly](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JFLuvly)\ **Post date:** [November 22, 2013, 2:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cannabis-extracts-for-the-primary-treatment-of-cancer-epilepsy-and-more/673684/452 "2013-11-22T02:27:24Z")
I tried to walk away, but I keep thinking about penicillin and it’s history. Mould spores have had a long history in medicine and the road to penicillin was pretty rocky. I’m pretty sure there were no shortage of naysayers then either. This was essentially worked out through trial and error, but as a cure it was around for thousands of years. If you really want double blind studies so bad, talk to your government or a scientist and ask them why there are so few of them. I already said I am not an activist, nor do I believe that it’s a cure all. What worked for me worked for me, and that my friends, is what I choose to believe. ---
**Author:** ![running\_coach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/running_coach/32/15836_2.png) [@running\_coach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/running_coach)\ **Post date:** [November 22, 2013, 2:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cannabis-extracts-for-the-primary-treatment-of-cancer-epilepsy-and-more/673684/453 "2013-11-22T02:32:14Z")
> [@JFLuvly](#): > > I tried to walk away, but I keep thinking about penicillin and it’s history. Mould spores have had a long history in medicine and the road to penicillin was pretty rocky. And there’s a long history of health problems caused by mold. And the discovery of penicillin was accidental. ---
**Author:** ![dropzone](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dropzone/32/7515_2.png) [@dropzone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dropzone)\ **Post date:** [November 22, 2013, 2:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cannabis-extracts-for-the-primary-treatment-of-cancer-epilepsy-and-more/673684/454 "2013-11-22T02:50:12Z")
And proper studies to see if it actually worked before it was unleashed. ---
**Author:** ![JFLuvly](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/ac91a4/32.png) [@JFLuvly](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JFLuvly)\ **Post date:** [November 22, 2013, 3:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cannabis-extracts-for-the-primary-treatment-of-cancer-epilepsy-and-more/673684/455 "2013-11-22T03:22:06Z")
> [@](#): > > And there’s a long history of health problems caused by mold. > > And the discovery of penicillin was accidental. So are you saying that you would be willing to trade the benefits of penicillin because of health issues caused by mould? Are you trying to help bolster my argument with the statement about it being found by accident? That being said this history of penicillin seems to allude to the fact that it was quite well known for some time that mould spores were preventing the growth of bacteria. > **[History of penicillin](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_penicillin)** > > The history of penicillin follows observations and discoveries of evidence of antibiotic activity of the mould Penicillium that led to the development of penicillins that became the first widely used antibiotics. Following the production of a relatively pure compound in 1942, penicillin was the first naturally-derived antibiotic. > Ancient societies used moulds to treat infections, and in the following centuries many people observed the inhibition of bacterial growth by moulds. While working at ... ---
**Author:** ![JFLuvly](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/ac91a4/32.png) [@JFLuvly](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JFLuvly)\ **Post date:** [November 22, 2013, 3:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cannabis-extracts-for-the-primary-treatment-of-cancer-epilepsy-and-more/673684/456 "2013-11-22T03:23:34Z")
> [@](#): > > And proper studies to see if it actually worked before it was unleashed. According to the above link, not quite. ---
**Author:** ![running\_coach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/running_coach/32/15836_2.png) [@running\_coach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/running_coach)\ **Post date:** [November 22, 2013, 3:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cannabis-extracts-for-the-primary-treatment-of-cancer-epilepsy-and-more/673684/457 "2013-11-22T03:46:22Z")
Some mold spores. Do you want your doctor to just randomly give you mold? The problem with **JKander’s** approach is he was saying that cannabis was a miracle cure for everything, it didn’t need studies and that everyone should be taking cannabis every day. His rationale was that humans have cannabinoid receptors therefore it was a cure. Humans have opoid receptors but I don’t see anyone touting opiates as cures. He had no science nor any understanding of science or methodology when it comes to evaluating medical matters. He ignored the failures or even tried to claim them as successes. ---
**Author:** ![JFLuvly](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/ac91a4/32.png) [@JFLuvly](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JFLuvly)\ **Post date:** [November 22, 2013, 4:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cannabis-extracts-for-the-primary-treatment-of-cancer-epilepsy-and-more/673684/458 "2013-11-22T04:04:18Z")
> [@](#): > > Humans have opoid receptors but I don’t see anyone touting opiates as cures. Morphine and codeine don’t count? ---
**Author:** ![JFLuvly](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/ac91a4/32.png) [@JFLuvly](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JFLuvly)\ **Post date:** [November 22, 2013, 4:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cannabis-extracts-for-the-primary-treatment-of-cancer-epilepsy-and-more/673684/459 "2013-11-22T04:07:01Z")
> [@](#): > > He had no science nor any understanding of science or methodology when it comes to evaluating medical matters. Just for the record, there are many class action lawsuits against the manufacturers of a lot of drugs on the market today, the very ones that went through the very science and methodology that you are touting. ---
**Author:** ![JFLuvly](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/ac91a4/32.png) [@JFLuvly](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JFLuvly)\ **Post date:** [November 22, 2013, 4:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cannabis-extracts-for-the-primary-treatment-of-cancer-epilepsy-and-more/673684/460 "2013-11-22T04:08:02Z")
> [@](#): > > Some mold spores. Do you want your doctor to just randomly give you mold? No more than I want him to give me hemp. ---
**Author:** ![running\_coach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/running_coach/32/15836_2.png) [@running\_coach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/running_coach)\ **Post date:** [November 22, 2013, 4:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cannabis-extracts-for-the-primary-treatment-of-cancer-epilepsy-and-more/673684/461 "2013-11-22T04:11:17Z")
> [@JFLuvly](#): > > Morphine and codeine don’t count? Not as cures for everything. > [@JFLuvly](#): > > Just for the record, there are many class action lawsuits against the manufacturers of a lot of drugs on the market today, the very ones that went through the very science and methodology that you are touting. And how many are for undisclosed side effects or are even for a valid reason? Look at the ruckus over vaccines. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cannabis-extracts-for-the-primary-treatment-of-cancer-epilepsy-and-more/673684.md?page=22) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cannabis-extracts-for-the-primary-treatment-of-cancer-epilepsy-and-more/673684.md?page=24)