# Canon you disagree with **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [January 1, 2009, 12:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/canon-you-disagree-with/479420 "2009-01-01T00:14:45Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![Hunter\_Hawk](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/50afbb/32.png) [@Hunter\_Hawk](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hunter_Hawk)\ **Post date:** [January 1, 2009, 12:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/canon-you-disagree-with/479420/1 "2009-01-01T00:14:45Z")
The “Han shot first” foofaraw is a classic example. As for me, I refuse to believe that Firefly takes place within a single solar system. I also prefer to pretend the “19th century/James Howlett” origin story for Wolverine doesn’t actually exist. Anybody else have any favorite bits of canon they prefer to disregard? ---
**Author:** ![Todderbob](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/e47774/32.png) [@Todderbob](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Todderbob)\ **Post date:** [January 1, 2009, 12:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/canon-you-disagree-with/479420/2 "2009-01-01T00:19:11Z")
I think that Firefly existing in a single solar system is a bit of a stretch, but then I think to myself “Maybe it’s one of those Binary Systems with a really wide orbit” and… meh, it works. Pretty much all of TOS and Voyager. I just pretend they never happened. Nope, never. (especially Voyager) /edit/Yeah, han shooting first pisses me off too/edit/ I’m sure there’s more, but I can’t think of it right now… ---
**Author:** ![Fish](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/bc8723/32.png) [@Fish](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fish)\ **Post date:** [January 1, 2009, 12:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/canon-you-disagree-with/479420/3 "2009-01-01T00:38:15Z")
Midifuckingchlorians. ---
**Author:** ![alphaboi867](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/alphaboi867/32/3898_2.png) [@alphaboi867](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/alphaboi867)\ **Post date:** [January 1, 2009, 1:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/canon-you-disagree-with/479420/4 "2009-01-01T01:37:23Z")
The Enterprise finale “These are the Voyages…”. It was a total abomination. :mad: Even the actors weren’t shy about how much the writing sucked. ---
**Author:** ![Ephemera](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8baadc/32.png) [@Ephemera](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ephemera)\ **Post date:** [January 1, 2009, 1:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/canon-you-disagree-with/479420/5 "2009-01-01T01:48:26Z")
Xander is a closeted homosexual. Anya was just his beard and he and Riley were doing it behind Buffy’s back ---
**Author:** ![Justin\_Credible](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/a8b319/32.png) [@Justin\_Credible](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Justin_Credible)\ **Post date:** [January 1, 2009, 1:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/canon-you-disagree-with/479420/6 "2009-01-01T01:59:33Z")
The Simpsons episode _That 90’s Show_ never happened. It doesn’t exist. Homer and Marge graduated in the 70’s, not the 90’s. ---
**Author:** ![Der\_Trihs](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/der_trihs/32/233_2.png) [@Der\_Trihs](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Der_Trihs)\ **Post date:** [January 1, 2009, 2:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/canon-you-disagree-with/479420/7 "2009-01-01T02:11:28Z")
Multi-gigaton _Star Wars_ turbolasers. ---
**Author:** ![kaylasdad99](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kaylasdad99/32/3398_2.png) [@kaylasdad99](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kaylasdad99)\ **Post date:** [January 1, 2009, 2:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/canon-you-disagree-with/479420/8 "2009-01-01T02:30:04Z")
Peter Coyote’s plan in the event he gets the drop on an extraterrestrial is to call somebody on a walkie-talkie and tell them about it. ---
**Author:** ![Max\_the\_Immortal](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/6de8d8/32.png) [@Max\_the\_Immortal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Max_the_Immortal)\ **Post date:** [January 1, 2009, 2:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/canon-you-disagree-with/479420/9 "2009-01-01T02:46:44Z")
I’m not going to buy any new Forgotten Realms books because that makes it easier to pretend that the Spellplague never happened. :mad: ---
**Author:** ![John\_DiFool](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_difool/32/19543_2.png) [@John\_DiFool](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_DiFool)\ **Post date:** [January 1, 2009, 2:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/canon-you-disagree-with/479420/10 "2009-01-01T02:52:47Z")
> [@Justin\_Credible](#): > > The Simpsons episode _That 90’s Show_ never happened. It doesn’t exist. Homer and Marge graduated in the 70’s, not the 90’s. Well, that’s what happens when you don’t let your characters age normally over the course of a 20-year old show. ---
**Author:** ![tr0psn4j](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/958977/32.png) [@tr0psn4j](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tr0psn4j)\ **Post date:** [January 1, 2009, 2:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/canon-you-disagree-with/479420/11 "2009-01-01T02:53:05Z")
While we’re on Star Wars, what about light sabers. ☹ ---
**Author:** ![GuanoLad](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guanolad/32/42_2.png) [@GuanoLad](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GuanoLad)\ **Post date:** [January 1, 2009, 3:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/canon-you-disagree-with/479420/12 "2009-01-01T03:10:22Z")
Padme died of a broken heart. Puhleeeeeeeze. :rolleyes: ---
**Author:** ![Little\_Nemo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/little_nemo/32/3120_2.png) [@Little\_Nemo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Little_Nemo)\ **Post date:** [January 1, 2009, 3:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/canon-you-disagree-with/479420/13 "2009-01-01T03:20:54Z")
> [@](#): > > Well, that’s what happens when you don’t let your characters age normally over the course of a 20-year old show. Next you’ll be claiming that Superman, Ben Grimm, and James Bond aren’t really WWII veterans. ---
**Author:** ![DigitalC](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ebca7d/32.png) [@DigitalC](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DigitalC)\ **Post date:** [January 1, 2009, 3:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/canon-you-disagree-with/479420/14 "2009-01-01T03:24:42Z")
> [@tr0psn4j](#): > > While we’re on Star Wars, what about light sabers. ☹ You disagree with lightsabers? ---
**Author:** ![Bryan\_Ekers](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bryan_ekers/32/183_2.png) [@Bryan\_Ekers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bryan_Ekers)\ **Post date:** [January 1, 2009, 3:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/canon-you-disagree-with/479420/15 "2009-01-01T03:40:03Z")
> [@DigitalC](#): > > You disagree with lightsabers? I think possibly he objects to them being used to play stickball with energy blasts to send them back to their sources, as was casually seen in the prequels but not the original trilogy. The whole “Vulcans don’t lie” thing. Stupid. Used by lazy writers who never bothered to review the original context. ---
**Author:** ![WhyNot](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/c77e96/32.png) [@WhyNot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/WhyNot)\ **Post date:** [January 1, 2009, 3:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/canon-you-disagree-with/479420/16 "2009-01-01T03:48:10Z")
I take issue with Willow being gay. Not with her being in love with or having sex with women, that’s totally fine with me, but with the choice to make her suddenly and completely unattracted to men. It cheapens, in retrospect, both her longstanding crush on Xander and her awesome relationship with Oz. What’s wrong with being bi? ---
**Author:** ![Ephemera](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8baadc/32.png) [@Ephemera](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ephemera)\ **Post date:** [January 1, 2009, 3:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/canon-you-disagree-with/479420/17 "2009-01-01T03:55:33Z")
I just remembered a more serious one from Deep Space Nine: the Prophets closing the wormhole on the Dominion reinforcements after Sisko did his moralizing. It was lame, and a blatant case of deus ex machina. I also disagree with the Female Founder’s decision to surrender to the Federation Alliance after Odo promised to return to their homeworld. They should have fought to the last Jem’Hadar, and Cardassia should have been nothing but cratered glass from pole to pole. ---
**Author:** ![cochrane](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cochrane/32/10441_2.png) [@cochrane](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/cochrane)\ **Post date:** [January 1, 2009, 3:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/canon-you-disagree-with/479420/18 "2009-01-01T03:57:37Z")
> [@Trocisp](#): > > Pretty much all of TOS and Voyager. I just pretend they never happened. Nope, never. (especially Voyager) What is it about Star Trek: TOS you take issue with? I’m honestly curious. If TOS never happened, neither did The Next Generation, Deep Space Nine, or Voyager. Although I can see why you would want to forget about Voyager. And Enterprise went off in its own little direction. But to deny Kirk, Spock, McCoy, the NCC-1701, Vulcans, Klingons, _et al_ is to make everything that followed it meaningless. ---
**Author:** ![kaylasdad99](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kaylasdad99/32/3398_2.png) [@kaylasdad99](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kaylasdad99)\ **Post date:** [January 1, 2009, 4:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/canon-you-disagree-with/479420/19 "2009-01-01T04:07:31Z")
I take issue with the notion that _ST:TNG_ was anything other than a placeholder for when the Paramount folks got their s\*\*t together and brought back the REAL Star Trek with JT Kirk and the green babes. Translated: I disagree with considering Picard & Co. as canon. I recognize that this puts me in the minority. But so was Galileo, once. 😛 ---
**Author:** ![carnivorousplant](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnivorousplant/32/3563_2.png) [@carnivorousplant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carnivorousplant)\ **Post date:** [January 1, 2009, 6:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/canon-you-disagree-with/479420/20 "2009-01-01T06:33:19Z")
> [@Aesiron](#): > > They should have fought to the last Jem’Hadar, and Cardassia should have been nothing but cratered glass from pole to pole. In one of my favorite Trek scenes, she fought to the last Weoun Clone. 🙂 Garak, Kira and the Cardassian-Guy-Who-Should-Have-Been-Gul Dukat assaulted her citadel and captured her. I remember something about Odo deciding to stay. What am I forgetting? Thanks. 🙂 [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/canon-you-disagree-with/479420.md?page=2)