# Canon you disagree with **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [January 1, 2009, 12:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/canon-you-disagree-with/479420 "2009-01-01T00:14:45Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![wolfman](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/a8b319/32.png) [@wolfman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wolfman)\ **Post date:** [January 1, 2009, 6:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/canon-you-disagree-with/479420/21 "2009-01-01T06:41:36Z")
> [@Aesiron](#): > > I I also disagree with the Female Founder’s decision to surrender to the Federation Alliance after Odo promised to return to their homeworld. > > They should have fought to the last Jem’Hadar, and Cardassia should have been nothing but cratered glass from pole to pole. That I personally rewrite in my mind what I think they were feeling. They felt they trully were gods and the return of even one of their own was worth half the galaxy in their mind.. er minds… no mind 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Todderbob](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/e47774/32.png) [@Todderbob](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Todderbob)\ **Post date:** [January 1, 2009, 6:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/canon-you-disagree-with/479420/22 "2009-01-01T06:46:39Z")
> [@cochrane](#): > > What is it about Star Trek: TOS you take issue with? I’m honestly curious. If TOS never happened, neither did The Next Generation, Deep Space Nine, or Voyager. Although I can see why you would want to forget about Voyager. And Enterprise went off in its own little direction. But to deny Kirk, Spock, McCoy, the NCC-1701, Vulcans, Klingons, _et al_ is to make everything that followed it meaningless. That should’ve said Pretty much all of Voyager, and bits of TOS. I liked TOS, but it’s internally inconsistent and I like klingons with head ridges, not green skinpaint, goddamnit! ---
**Author:** ![G0sp3l](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/c68b51/32.png) [@G0sp3l](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/G0sp3l)\ **Post date:** [January 1, 2009, 7:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/canon-you-disagree-with/479420/23 "2009-01-01T07:03:59Z")
Bucky as Winter Soldier Gwen Stacy and Norman Osborn Jar-Jar ---
**Author:** ![carnivorousplant](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnivorousplant/32/3563_2.png) [@carnivorousplant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carnivorousplant)\ **Post date:** [January 1, 2009, 7:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/canon-you-disagree-with/479420/24 "2009-01-01T07:14:01Z")
> [@Trocisp](#): > > I liked TOS, but it’s internally inconsistent and I like klingons with head ridges, not green skinpaint, goddamnit! I believe they were black and rather golden, actually. Regarding TOS, the rest of Trek stands on the head of a giant. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![elfkin477](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/a9a28c/32.png) [@elfkin477](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elfkin477)\ **Post date:** [January 1, 2009, 7:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/canon-you-disagree-with/479420/25 "2009-01-01T07:37:55Z")
The X-Files: - Emily cannot be both Scully’s child _and_ born three months after her abduction/ova being stolen without Mulder ever wondering how the hell that happened. I can suspend disbelief about the compressed timeline only if _he_ thinks its odd. - “The Gift” didn’t take place in May as stated off-handedly by Doggett. If it did, Scully was pregant an entire year, you moron writers. Take a bio course! - They didn’t say Gibson praise was twelve in “Within”/“Without” because he was said to be twelve three years earlier. Gibson is special, but what is he, a leap-year baby? I’ll second Whynot about the “Willow’s gay” plot. It would have made a heap more sense for her to be bi after her puppylust for Xander. ---
**Author:** ![cochrane](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cochrane/32/10441_2.png) [@cochrane](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/cochrane)\ **Post date:** [January 1, 2009, 8:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/canon-you-disagree-with/479420/26 "2009-01-01T08:10:13Z")
> [@carnivorousplant](#): > > I believe they were black and rather golden, actually. > > Regarding TOS, the rest of Trek stands on the head of a giant. 🙂 Either that, or on the Big Giant Head! 😃 ---
**Author:** ![Hunter\_Hawk](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/50afbb/32.png) [@Hunter\_Hawk](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hunter_Hawk)\ **Post date:** [January 1, 2009, 8:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/canon-you-disagree-with/479420/27 "2009-01-01T08:14:37Z")
Agreed on the “Willow’s gay” issue. _Chasing Amy_ had a similar problem. ---
**Author:** ![jayjay](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jayjay/32/6765_2.png) [@jayjay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jayjay)\ **Post date:** [January 1, 2009, 8:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/canon-you-disagree-with/479420/28 "2009-01-01T08:16:07Z")
Any and all of the Dune prequels written by Kevin J. Anderson and Brian Herbert. They never happened. ---
**Author:** ![Kaio](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/c68b51/32.png) [@Kaio](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kaio)\ **Post date:** [January 1, 2009, 8:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/canon-you-disagree-with/479420/29 "2009-01-01T08:22:54Z")
> [@Hunter\_Hawk](#): > > As for me, I refuse to believe that Firefly takes place within a single solar system. [It doesn’t.](http://store.quantummechanix.com/Complete-and-Official-Map-of-the-Verse_p_0-54.html) There are five primary stars, along with a few proto-stars that orbit some of the larger ones and have planets of their own. ---
**Author:** ![audit1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/ed8c4c/32.png) [@audit1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/audit1)\ **Post date:** [January 1, 2009, 11:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/canon-you-disagree-with/479420/30 "2009-01-01T11:44:07Z")
I’ll go for a trifecta here and ignore any dates given on Babylon 5, Star trek and Firefly. I do not believe we can get from where we are now to an intersteller federation ,alliance etc on hundreds of worlds in the time available. I am going to move forward the dates given in the series , oh about 400 years each. ---
**Author:** ![Cuckoorex](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/ad7895/32.png) [@Cuckoorex](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cuckoorex)\ **Post date:** [January 1, 2009, 11:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/canon-you-disagree-with/479420/31 "2009-01-01T11:57:52Z")
You mean to tell me that the Old Testament YHWH is the same as Jesus’ dad? No frikkin’ way! ---
**Author:** ![Alessan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/alessan/32/465_2.png) [@Alessan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Alessan)\ **Post date:** [January 1, 2009, 12:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/canon-you-disagree-with/479420/32 "2009-01-01T12:02:52Z")
> [@audit1](#): > > I’ll go for a trifecta here and ignore any dates given on Babylon 5, Star trek and Firefly. I do not believe we can get from where we are now to an intersteller federation ,alliance etc on hundreds of worlds in the time available. I am going to move forward the dates given in the series , oh about 400 years each. Firefly gives dates? I never noticed any. As for the other two series - in both cases, humanity received a huge amount of technology from the alien civilizations that made first contact with them (the Vulcans in ST and the Minbari in B5). I can easily imagine that receiving interstellar travel technology would lead to an accellerated period of exploration and colonization, akin to Europe in the 16th-18th centuries, along with the political upheavals of the 19th and 20th. ---
**Author:** ![Mosier](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/7ea924/32.png) [@Mosier](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mosier)\ **Post date:** [January 1, 2009, 12:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/canon-you-disagree-with/479420/33 "2009-01-01T12:16:06Z")
> [@Bryan\_Ekers](#): > > I think possibly he objects to them being used to play stickball with energy blasts to send them back to their sources, as was casually seen in the prequels but not the original trilogy. There’s at least a few instances of stickball being played with lightsabers in the original trilogy. Obiwan use a lightsaber stickball energy blast bot thingie to train Luke in A New Hope, and Luke batted an energy bolt back at its source during the Han rescue at Jabba’s palace in Return of the Jedi. I’m sure there’s lots of other examples of lightsabers reflecting energy bolts in the original trilogy. ---
**Author:** ![Cuckoorex](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/ad7895/32.png) [@Cuckoorex](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cuckoorex)\ **Post date:** [January 1, 2009, 12:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/canon-you-disagree-with/479420/34 "2009-01-01T12:22:29Z")
> [@Mosier](#): > > There’s at least a few instances of stickball being played with lightsabers in the original trilogy. Obiwan use a lightsaber stickball energy blast bot thingie to train Luke in A New Hope, and Luke batted an energy bolt back at its source during the Han rescue at Jabba’s palace in Return of the Jedi. I’m sure there’s lots of other examples of lightsabers reflecting energy bolts in the original trilogy. Actually, I think you named them all. Except when Luke was training, the energy bolts seemed to be absorbed rather than deflected. But Luke definitely deflected energy bolts in Return of the Jedi. ---
**Author:** ![Mr\_Shine](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mr_shine/32/464_2.png) [@Mr\_Shine](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mr_Shine)\ **Post date:** [January 1, 2009, 12:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/canon-you-disagree-with/479420/35 "2009-01-01T12:58:50Z")
> [@Alessan](#): > > Firefly gives dates? I never noticed any. > > As for the other two series - in both cases, humanity received a huge amount of technology from the alien civilizations that made first contact with them (the Vulcans in ST and the Minbari in B5 You mean the Centauri. Humans _did_ get technology from the Minbari after first encountering them but it was mainly in the form of energy beams. ---
**Author:** ![Alessan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/alessan/32/465_2.png) [@Alessan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Alessan)\ **Post date:** [January 1, 2009, 1:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/canon-you-disagree-with/479420/36 "2009-01-01T13:09:27Z")
> [@Mr\_Shine](#): > > You mean the Centauri. Humans _did_ get technology from the Minbari after first encountering them but it was mainly in the form of energy beams. Right. Centauri. That’s what I meant to write. ---
**Author:** ![tumbleddown](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/e9bcb4/32.png) [@tumbleddown](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tumbleddown)\ **Post date:** [January 1, 2009, 2:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/canon-you-disagree-with/479420/37 "2009-01-01T14:02:05Z")
> [@WhyNot](#): > > I take issue with Willow being gay. Yes, one of the silliest cases of bi-erasure I can think of. Padme dying in childbirth, of a broken heart. Who is that Leia recalls to Luke, while in the forest on Endor, as being very sad all the time, then? Not the adoptive who raised her, because Leia remembers the sad mother going away when Leia was very young, and adoptive mother (wife of Bail Organa) was around until she was murdered by Vader in _Episode IV_. That whole dramatic childbirth scene with Padme was _not canon_. Just not. Superman III and IV, the ones with Christopher Reeve and especially the one (was it III?) with Richard Pryor and the giant evil world-controlling computer. Nope, just no. Similarly, while they’re fine, fluffy entertainment, I reject any suggestion that anything that occurred in the 90s Batman films (Keaton, Kilmer, Clooney) are canon in any fashion. ---
**Author:** ![RikWriter](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/49beb7/32.png) [@RikWriter](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RikWriter)\ **Post date:** [January 1, 2009, 3:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/canon-you-disagree-with/479420/38 "2009-01-01T15:34:09Z")
I pretty much reject all three Star Wars prequels. ---
**Author:** ![Offkenter](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/f08c70/32.png) [@Offkenter](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Offkenter)\ **Post date:** [January 1, 2009, 3:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/canon-you-disagree-with/479420/39 "2009-01-01T15:57:43Z")
> [@WhyNot](#): > > I take issue with Willow being gay. Not with her being in love with or having sex with women, that’s totally fine with me, but with the choice to make her suddenly and completely unattracted to men. It cheapens, in retrospect, both her longstanding crush on Xander and her awesome relationship with Oz. What’s wrong with being bi? I think you’re right, Willow _is_ bi, probably with a strong preference for women. But I don’t think that she knows that she is anything but gay. She has always had identity issues, and her dream sequence in _Restless_ makes it clear that she thinks that her relationships are her gateway out of being a nerd and into being accepted. I hope that she gets clued in to this in the comics. ---
**Author:** ![Ephemera](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8baadc/32.png) [@Ephemera](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ephemera)\ **Post date:** [January 1, 2009, 5:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/canon-you-disagree-with/479420/40 "2009-01-01T17:13:52Z")
> [@carnivorousplant](#): > > In one of my favorite Trek scenes, she fought to the last Weoun Clone. 🙂 > > Garak, Kira and the Cardassian-Guy-Who-Should-Have-Been-Gul Dukat assaulted her citadel and captured her. I remember something about Odo deciding to stay. What am I forgetting? > Thanks. 🙂 Not much, really. I just disagree with her calling off the dogs of war. I see them very much as Imperial Japan, and can’t imagine them giving up so easily. That said, I can see **wolfman** ’s point. I just prefer my own version of them absolutely refusing to stop until whatever planet they’re currently inhabiting is surrounded by a fleet of Klingon, Romulan, and Federation warships. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/canon-you-disagree-with/479420.md?page=1) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/canon-you-disagree-with/479420.md?page=3)