# Canon you disagree with **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [January 1, 2009, 12:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/canon-you-disagree-with/479420 "2009-01-01T00:14:45Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 19\ **Page:** 7
**Author:** ![WhyNot](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/c77e96/32.png) [@WhyNot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/WhyNot)\ **Post date:** [January 5, 2009, 4:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/canon-you-disagree-with/479420/121 "2009-01-05T04:41:14Z")
> [@Fenris](#): > > Oh, and in Buffy? Xander stayed an emotional adult, married Anya and went on to live a happy life. I love Joss’s dialogue, but loathe the fact that he cannot allow his characters to ever grow or change) Who to the whatsit now? Even Xander - and I agree he changes less than most - matures. Go back and watch _Welcome to the Hellmouth_ and then watch \*Potential \*and tell me Xander hasn’t grown or matured. Is he fundamentally the same guy? Yes, of course. But he has oodles more insight and adult feelings about who that guy is and how he fits in than the Xander of season one. There’s a lot to criticize in Whedon’s writing, to be sure. But this is the first time I’ve heard the claim that he doesn’t allow his characters to grow or change. Usually just the opposite charge is lobbied - that he changes his characters too much to serve the plot or to “torture” fans. ---
**Author:** ![Ranchoth](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ranchoth/32/1066_2.png) [@Ranchoth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ranchoth)\ **Post date:** [January 5, 2009, 4:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/canon-you-disagree-with/479420/122 "2009-01-05T04:50:49Z")
> [@Fenris](#): > > The bit where Spider-Man tells his wife “Hey honey, I would rather sell my soul to the devil so that Aunt May could have another torturous 15 years of heart-attacks, mysterious ailments, and general suffering than let her go peacefully to be in heaven with Uncle Ben and meanwhile stay married to you.” His possibly…_pregnant_ wife, at that, from what I’ve heard. :eek: ---
**Author:** ![foolsguinea](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/foolsguinea/32/14751_2.png) [@foolsguinea](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/foolsguinea)\ **Post date:** [January 5, 2009, 9:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/canon-you-disagree-with/479420/123 "2009-01-05T09:02:18Z")
I’m a comics fan. When it comes to, say, torturing & killing Ralph & Sue Dibny, I don’t disagree with canon, I simply deny that it is canon. In that vein. Anything DC has done with the initials I.C.–not canon. Phantom Lady is still bouncing around Washington D.C., Ralph & Sue are on KooeyKooeyKooey with Ted Kord & Max Lord, etc. \_ Actually, I do have one really, er, different one. I don’t buy that Wonder Woman’s Amazons would have hereditary monarchy, which has been specifically mentioned by both John Byrne & Phil Jimenez. When Polly freaked out & left the island, I can’t see handing the reins to a 27-year-old when the rest of the leadership are millennia old. ---
**Author:** ![Harvey\_The\_Heavy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/c5a1d2/32.png) [@Harvey\_The\_Heavy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Harvey_The_Heavy)\ **Post date:** [January 5, 2009, 10:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/canon-you-disagree-with/479420/124 "2009-01-05T10:28:56Z")
The Korean War ended when Frank Burns left the 4077th. I could accept Potter and Honeycutt as replacements, but Winchester? Didn’t happen. Laverne & Shirley did NOT move to California. They stayed in Milwaukee working at Schotz, unmarried until the day they died. Any Munsters project without Fred Gwynn. And without Geezer Butler, it’s not Black Sabbath, but a Tony Iommi solo album. ---
**Author:** ![billfish678](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/7bcc69/32.png) [@billfish678](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/billfish678)\ **Post date:** [January 5, 2009, 1:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/canon-you-disagree-with/479420/125 "2009-01-05T13:45:58Z")
Also from MASH Henry Blake made it home safe and sound after his tour of duty was over. Frack, I teared up just typing this sentence. ---
**Author:** ![WotNot](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/e19b73/32.png) [@WotNot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/WotNot)\ **Post date:** [January 5, 2009, 2:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/canon-you-disagree-with/479420/126 "2009-01-05T14:56:18Z")
> [@Kobal2](#): > > :smack: Yes, yes I meant Thirteen. Cameron can get plague cancer for all I care. So – just to get this straight (because we haven’t seen this season of House in the UK yet): you’re saying it was Thirteen and Foreman that didn’t happen? Rather than Cameron and Foreman, which _really_ didn’t happen? How about if it was Thirteen and Cameron? ---
**Author:** ![Todderbob](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/e47774/32.png) [@Todderbob](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Todderbob)\ **Post date:** [January 5, 2009, 3:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/canon-you-disagree-with/479420/127 "2009-01-05T15:31:06Z")
> [@WotNot](#): > > So – just to get this straight (because we haven’t seen this season of House in the UK yet): you’re saying it was Thirteen and Foreman that didn’t happen? > > Rather than Cameron and Foreman, which _really_ didn’t happen? Yeah, that’s what he’s saying (and what I intended to agree to… too bad I read what he meant instead of what he said :smack:). > [@WotNot](#): > > How about if it was Thirteen and Cameron? that definitely happened. Over and over and over and over and over and over. ---
**Author:** ![Scumpup](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ce73a5/32.png) [@Scumpup](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Scumpup)\ **Post date:** [January 5, 2009, 3:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/canon-you-disagree-with/479420/128 "2009-01-05T15:38:36Z")
I prefer to ignore everything after **Crisis on Infinite Earths**. ---
**Author:** ![lee](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lee/32/7455_2.png) [@lee](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/lee)\ **Post date:** [January 5, 2009, 3:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/canon-you-disagree-with/479420/129 "2009-01-05T15:46:24Z")
It is obvious to me that _Enterprise_ is set in a different parallel timeline than _TOS_, however, the last episode never happened. Trip did not die that stupid way and the Andorian did not fall into dishonor. It just is not credible. ---
**Author:** ![carnivorousplant](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnivorousplant/32/3563_2.png) [@carnivorousplant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carnivorousplant)\ **Post date:** [January 5, 2009, 4:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/canon-you-disagree-with/479420/130 "2009-01-05T16:06:54Z")
> [@lee](#): > > Trip did not die that stupid way Everyone knows that Admiral Tucker suffered cardiac arrest at the age of 101 in a, er, house of ill repute in New Orleans. ---
**Author:** ![Laudenum](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/7993a0/32.png) [@Laudenum](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Laudenum)\ **Post date:** [January 5, 2009, 4:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/canon-you-disagree-with/479420/131 "2009-01-05T16:34:25Z")
Willow was not gay. She was either going through a phase, or bi. ---
**Author:** ![Sitnam](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/6a8cbe/32.png) [@Sitnam](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sitnam)\ **Post date:** [January 5, 2009, 4:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/canon-you-disagree-with/479420/132 "2009-01-05T16:49:21Z")
I’m glad they stopped making _Indian Jones_ movies after the third one. And Data never had sex with Lieutenant Natasha “Tasha” Yar. ---
**Author:** ![Weaver\_of\_Nightmares](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/73ab20/32.png) [@Weaver\_of\_Nightmares](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Weaver_of_Nightmares)\ **Post date:** [January 5, 2009, 5:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/canon-you-disagree-with/479420/133 "2009-01-05T17:01:00Z")
> [@The New and Improved Superman](#): > > **Doctor Who** : > > Donna never lost her memory either. But that’s a whole other story. Yes, this. I’ve never been happy with this development. I do accept it as canon, but I’d rather she had her memory left intact. She deserved it after all she did. Fastest temp in Chiswick. Especially with that mother of hers. See _Turn Left_. “Of course she’s special. She’s my daughter!” And the Doctor: “Maybe you should tell her that.” ---
**Author:** ![Yllaria](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/yllaria/32/3452_2.png) [@Yllaria](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Yllaria)\ **Post date:** [January 5, 2009, 5:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/canon-you-disagree-with/479420/134 "2009-01-05T17:51:23Z")
> [@Weaver\_of\_Nightmares](#): > > Yes, this. I’ve never been happy with this development. I do accept it as canon, but I’d rather she had her memory left intact. She deserved it after all she did. Fastest temp in Chiswick. Especially with that mother of hers. See _Turn Left_. > > “Of course she’s special. She’s my daughter!” > And the Doctor: “Maybe you should tell her that.” I’ve always taken solace in knowing that, although Donna has no memory of how wonderful she got, her mother and grandfather do remember. Mother seemed poised to get off of Donna’s back and go supportive. Hey, it could make a difference. ---
**Author:** ![UncleRojelio](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/unclerojelio/32/3160_2.png) [@UncleRojelio](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/UncleRojelio)\ **Post date:** [January 5, 2009, 6:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/canon-you-disagree-with/479420/135 "2009-01-05T18:01:23Z")
> [@Sitnam](#): > > And Data never had sex with Lieutenant Natasha “Tasha” Yar. Why would you want that to be non-cannonical? Data was, after all, fully functional. ---
**Author:** ![Weaver\_of\_Nightmares](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/73ab20/32.png) [@Weaver\_of\_Nightmares](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Weaver_of_Nightmares)\ **Post date:** [January 6, 2009, 2:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/canon-you-disagree-with/479420/136 "2009-01-06T14:44:57Z")
> [@Yllaria](#): > > I’ve always taken solace in knowing that, although Donna has no memory of how wonderful she got, her mother and grandfather do remember. Mother seemed poised to get off of Donna’s back and go supportive. > > Hey, it could make a difference. And it’s good somebody remembers for her, but even so, I would have liked it better if Donna knew herself that she was a worthwhile human being. > [@UncleRojelio](#): > > Why would you want that to be non-cannonical? Data was, after all, fully functional. And it helped in preventing him getting dismantled, since his remembrance of her proved he was human enough, in his own way. True, if they had just been friends that would have helped too. ---
**Author:** ![RickJay](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/bb73d2/32.png) [@RickJay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RickJay)\ **Post date:** [January 6, 2009, 3:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/canon-you-disagree-with/479420/137 "2009-01-06T15:10:55Z")
> [@Harvey\_The\_Heavy](#): > > The Korean War ended when Frank Burns left the 4077th. I could accept Potter and Honeycutt as replacements, but Winchester? Didn’t happen. Whereas I prefer to believe the Korean War started when Winchester got there. ---
**Author:** ![Lumpy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lumpy/32/446_2.png) [@Lumpy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lumpy)\ **Post date:** [January 6, 2009, 3:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/canon-you-disagree-with/479420/138 "2009-01-06T15:44:45Z")
> [@RickJay](#): > > Whereas I prefer to believe the Korean War started when Winchester got there. Regardless of how long the series went on in real life, I think the internal timeline of the show is far longer than the real Korean War. I’m pretty sure for example that all the major characters who were subsequently replaced (Trapper John- BJ, Blake-Potter, Burns-Winchester) were each shown in episodes set during the blazing heat of summer and the freezing cold of winter. So depending on overlap which I’d have to research, we’re talking up to six years fictional time. Maybe more if another seasonal cycle was shown with Klinger as the post-Radar company clerk. ---
**Author:** ![JohnT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnt/32/15048_2.png) [@JohnT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JohnT)\ **Post date:** [January 6, 2009, 4:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/canon-you-disagree-with/479420/139 "2009-01-06T16:49:39Z")
> [@Lumpy](#): > > Regardless of how long the series went on in real life, I think the internal timeline of the show is far longer than the real Korean War. I’m pretty sure for example that all the major characters who were subsequently replaced (Trapper John- BJ, Blake-Potter, Burns-Winchester) were each shown in episodes set during the blazing heat of summer and the freezing cold of winter. So depending on overlap which I’d have to research, we’re talking up to six years fictional time. Maybe more if another seasonal cycle was shown with Klinger as the post-Radar company clerk. Another way is to look at the episodes: There were three Christmas oriented episodes, and another one that was a “year in review” type show: The one where Klinger convinced Charles to bet the entire camp that the Dodgers were going to win the pennant. Cite: [M\*A\*S\*H FAQ: Episode Guide](http://www.faqs.org/faqs/tv/mash/guide/) ETA: The Klinger episode mentioned above was actually one episode after a Christmas episode, so I assume they occurred in the same year. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/canon-you-disagree-with/479420.md?page=6)