# Canuckistani Dopers: Bush's visit tomorrow **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [November 29, 2004, 6:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/canuckistani-dopers-bushs-visit-tomorrow/277180 "2004-11-29T18:07:13Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 6
**Author:** ![Gorsnak](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gorsnak/32/7587_2.png) [@Gorsnak](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gorsnak)\ **Post date:** [December 1, 2004, 4:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/canuckistani-dopers-bushs-visit-tomorrow/277180/101 "2004-12-01T04:35:57Z")
> [@Frostillicus](#): > > That’s because George W. Bush is the world’s biggest pussy. Come now, let’s be fair. I’m afraid of Carolyn Parrish too. ---
**Author:** ![Brutus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/91b2a8/32.png) [@Brutus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Brutus)\ **Post date:** [December 1, 2004, 4:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/canuckistani-dopers-bushs-visit-tomorrow/277180/102 "2004-12-01T04:53:25Z")
> [@World Eater](#): > > I see you people are under the illusion that “democracy” will take hold in Iraq. > > Interesting. Pales in comparison to your illusory belief that these protests matter. There is a good chance that eventually, Iraq will be a democracy. There is no chance that you bongophobes will make one whit of difference in the world. (Other than snarled traffic.) ---
**Author:** ![milroyj](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/a88e57/32.png) [@milroyj](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/milroyj)\ **Post date:** [December 1, 2004, 5:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/canuckistani-dopers-bushs-visit-tomorrow/277180/103 "2004-12-01T05:08:36Z")
> [@World Eater](#): > > Um, because not everyone there was a hippy. Which I never said or implied was the case. Since we are talking past each other here, let’s just drop it. ---
**Author:** ![World\_Eater](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/f04885/32.png) [@World\_Eater](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/World_Eater)\ **Post date:** [December 1, 2004, 5:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/canuckistani-dopers-bushs-visit-tomorrow/277180/104 "2004-12-01T05:11:11Z")
> [@Brutus](#): > > Pales in comparison to your illusory belief that these protests matter. There is a good chance that eventually, Iraq will be a democracy. There is no chance that you bongophobes will make one whit of difference in the world. (Other than snarled traffic.) Everybody makes a difference in the world, one way or the other. As for democracy in Iraq, it ain’t going to happen, not in our lifetime. Perhaps some sham version of it, which I’m sure you’ll eat up like the tasty shit you and your ilk have been feasting on the past few years. Now with that in mind let’s figure how to get the fuck out. ---
**Author:** ![World\_Eater](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/f04885/32.png) [@World\_Eater](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/World_Eater)\ **Post date:** [December 1, 2004, 5:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/canuckistani-dopers-bushs-visit-tomorrow/277180/105 "2004-12-01T05:20:53Z")
> [@milroyj](#): > > Which I never said or implied was the case. > > Since we are talking past each other here, let’s just drop it. Dropped. ---
**Author:** ![RickJay](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/bb73d2/32.png) [@RickJay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RickJay)\ **Post date:** [December 1, 2004, 5:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/canuckistani-dopers-bushs-visit-tomorrow/277180/106 "2004-12-01T05:22:11Z")
> [@Kythereia](#): > > **Brutus** , that’s the point; even if Bush doesn’t listen, even if the leaders go ahead and do something in spite of the voiced opinion of the majority–_especially_ if they go ahead without listening to their voters. As a democracy, we can kick up a fuss and show them we, the people they’re supposed to represent, sure as hell don’t like what they’re doing and don’t have confidence in that aspect of their leadership; protests change people’s minds, protests influence votes. That’s why it’s not useless. Bear in mind that you are talking to a person whose idea of useful action for political change is ethnic cleansing. ---
**Author:** ![Sam\_Stone](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ecccb3/32.png) [@Sam\_Stone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sam_Stone)\ **Post date:** [December 1, 2004, 5:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/canuckistani-dopers-bushs-visit-tomorrow/277180/107 "2004-12-01T05:36:06Z")
> [@](#): > > Quote: > Originally Posted by Sam Stone > Protesting is just another social event for the left. They just LOVE to protest. It hardly matter what it is. > > Wow. Painting with a big ol’ brush there? You’re right. I took it for granted that you’d understand that I’m talking about those people who like to attend protests. To be sure, a small subset of ‘the left’. In fact, I should be even more specific, because many of these people are so nutty it really is an insult to associate them with the mainstream Democratic party. There are seriously people who just LOVE to protest. They travel from protest to protest. Some of them are trust fund babies for whom the protest movement is their equivalent to being a groupie. That ‘soft porn’ site is the site of the ‘radical cheerleaders’, who travel from protest to protest giving their radical cheers. My guess: There will be a lot of armpit hair involved. Here is an example of some of their finest work: > [@](#): > > We’re hairy > > Throw those arms up in the air > Let me see that armpit hair > We don’t shave or use that nair > Sleek and chic, we do not care > > We’re hairy-- got hairy legs > We’re hairy-- got hairy pits > We’re hairy-- got hairy hair > And we pick our noses too! Seriously. You can’t make this stuff up. They also are for Labor. Or against it. I’m not sure. Here is their explanation: > [@](#): > > Labour Movement > We’re sexy, we’re cute, We’re radical to boot > We’re young, we’re brown, and you can’t shut us down! > > You say labour’s in a crisis > And youth have got to fight this > > We ain’t doin’ it alone > Stop throwin’ us a bone > > Are all the leaders clones??? > > They say labour’s steppin’ > But they ain’t representin’ > OCAP, Quebec and Seattle-- you bet! > > Youth are on the move > Is labour gonna groove? > > So here’s our token cheer, > It better last all year > > Cause… > > WE’RE ANGRY, WE’RE TOUGH AND WE HAVE HAD ENOUGH! And for whatever reason, they seem to really hate Canada: > [@](#): > > T AND A all the way canada is not okay > no borders no states > we just want to masturbate > no borders no states > we just want to masterbate > T and A all the way > canada is not okay > we want anal penetration > not canadian corporations > canada sucks corprate cock > global free trade’s got to stop!!! Although, it might be in a very strange way. ---
**Author:** ![Brutus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/91b2a8/32.png) [@Brutus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Brutus)\ **Post date:** [December 1, 2004, 6:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/canuckistani-dopers-bushs-visit-tomorrow/277180/108 "2004-12-01T06:32:52Z")
> [@RickJay](#): > > Bear in mind that you are talking to a person whose idea of useful action for political change is ethnic cleansing. Meh. Former poster **Colonberry** already tried that line of trolling; it didn’t work then, won’t work now. ---
**Author:** ![World\_Eater](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/f04885/32.png) [@World\_Eater](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/World_Eater)\ **Post date:** [December 1, 2004, 6:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/canuckistani-dopers-bushs-visit-tomorrow/277180/109 "2004-12-01T06:40:11Z")
> [@Brutus](#): > > Meh. Former poster **Colonberry** already tried that line of trolling; it didn’t work then, won’t work now. I love these little one line gems you have. Never address anything or answer a question, just a little pathetic quip and off into the night. ---
**Author:** ![furt](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/439d5e/32.png) [@furt](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/furt)\ **Post date:** [December 1, 2004, 7:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/canuckistani-dopers-bushs-visit-tomorrow/277180/110 "2004-12-01T07:05:46Z")
> [@World Eater](#): > > Anyone want to wager the elections get postponed? Sure, I’m in for $20. ---
**Author:** ![FinnAgain](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/finnagain/32/12500_2.png) [@FinnAgain](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FinnAgain)\ **Post date:** [December 1, 2004, 7:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/canuckistani-dopers-bushs-visit-tomorrow/277180/111 "2004-12-01T07:14:32Z")
[y’all know about this, right, ?](http://tvnz.co.nz/view/news_world_story_skin/461177%3fformat=html) ---
**Author:** ![Brutus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/91b2a8/32.png) [@Brutus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Brutus)\ **Post date:** [December 1, 2004, 7:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/canuckistani-dopers-bushs-visit-tomorrow/277180/112 "2004-12-01T07:26:52Z")
> [@FinnAgain](#): > > [y’all know about this, right, ?](http://tvnz.co.nz/view/news_world_story_skin/461177%3fformat=html) You guys should go protest the attempt by some to stop the democtatic process. _That_ might be usefull. ---
**Author:** ![Declan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ecae2f/32.png) [@Declan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Declan)\ **Post date:** [December 1, 2004, 7:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/canuckistani-dopers-bushs-visit-tomorrow/277180/113 "2004-12-01T07:55:10Z")
> [@Kythereia](#): > > I’ll be among the protesters in Toronto–I wouldn’t miss this opportunity for the world! You just want to ogle the mounties 😃 Declan ---
**Author:** ![Grey](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/b782af/32.png) [@Grey](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Grey)\ **Post date:** [December 1, 2004, 9:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/canuckistani-dopers-bushs-visit-tomorrow/277180/114 "2004-12-01T09:53:58Z")
> [@World Eater](#): > > I see you people are under the illusion that “democracy” will take hold in Iraq. > > Interesting. > > Anyone want to wager the elections get postponed? Perhaps. It’s not like the democracy fairy will wave a wand and everything will be alright. Iraq is a half dead corpse staggering around the world stage. The options are to ignore it and watch as it’s maggot filled guts spill all over the place or try to get it stable enough to begin to potentially support a domestic democratic movement. The fact that we should never have reached this point is irrelevant. We’re here, we fucked and it’s not going away. ---
**Author:** ![FinnAgain](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/finnagain/32/12500_2.png) [@FinnAgain](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FinnAgain)\ **Post date:** [December 1, 2004, 10:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/canuckistani-dopers-bushs-visit-tomorrow/277180/115 "2004-12-01T10:15:38Z")
> [@Grey](#): > > Perhaps. It’s not like the democracy fairy will wave a wand and everything will be alright. The problem is that true democracy can, and will, degenerate into mob rule under the correct pressures. If every faction gets its votes, and one faction votes to enslave the other (simply hyperbole to make a point) then democracy is still being served. What we want is a representative democracy, or a republic. Preferbly one with a constitution/government which is secular, runs by the rule of law, and wants to exist on the global stage as an equal trading partner. Currently, the chances of that happening are somewhat laughable. Part of the problem is that we are still trying to enforce an outdated and false-to-facts line of demarcation. Chances are Iraq may not be best as one country. Yes, it would take a UN resolution with teeth to make sure that India didn’t attack the Kurds… but worst comes to worst, it is probably better to create several functional nation-states than one ruled by the toughest brawler in the bunch. Maybe I will be proven wrong, maybe Suni and Shiite will work with each other and the Kurds. Maybe they’ll coalesce into a true democratic state. But my money is against it. ---
**Author:** ![Rune](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e68b1a/32.png) [@Rune](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rune)\ **Post date:** [December 1, 2004, 10:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/canuckistani-dopers-bushs-visit-tomorrow/277180/116 "2004-12-01T10:58:54Z")
India? You mean Turkey? ---
**Author:** ![Muffin](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/muffin/32/4341_2.png) [@Muffin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Muffin)\ **Post date:** [December 1, 2004, 12:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/canuckistani-dopers-bushs-visit-tomorrow/277180/117 "2004-12-01T12:27:35Z")
Correction: $300,000,00 not $3,000,000. Update: Martin is now offering training: [http://www.cbc.ca/story/canada/national/2004/11/30/bush-briefing041130.html](http://www.cbc.ca/story/canada/national/2004/11/30/bush-briefing041130.html) > [@](#): > > Though Canada opposed military participation in the 2003 invasion of Iraq, it did offer $300 million in reconstruction funding and has also offered to train Iraqi police officers in nearby Jordan. Canada’s military obudsman on the state of our forces in Afghanistan: [http://www.cbc.ca/story/canada/national/2004/11/29/julien-troops-exhausted041129.html](http://www.cbc.ca/story/canada/national/2004/11/29/julien-troops-exhausted041129.html) “overextended”, “overworked”, “exhausted”, “caught in a dilemma, torn between keeping up the operation’s strength in Afghanistan while letting other troops at home rest up from past tours of duty before they’re reassigned back”, “Should we not try to reassess” Overal state of Canada’s military: [http://www.cbc.ca/news/background/cdnmilitary/](http://www.cbc.ca/news/background/cdnmilitary/) > [@](#): > > '“A Senate committee recommended on November 12, 2002 that Canada should call all its soldiers home for two years and immediately give $4 billion to the military in order to start the process of bringing the military up to what is expected of a world leader.” ---
**Author:** ![World\_Eater](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/f04885/32.png) [@World\_Eater](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/World_Eater)\ **Post date:** [December 1, 2004, 12:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/canuckistani-dopers-bushs-visit-tomorrow/277180/118 "2004-12-01T12:32:58Z")
> [@furt](#): > > Sure, I’m in for $20. Elections take place on Jan 30th - you win Elections take place after that day for any reason whatsoever - I win $20 Deal? ---
**Author:** ![FinnAgain](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/finnagain/32/12500_2.png) [@FinnAgain](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FinnAgain)\ **Post date:** [December 1, 2004, 12:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/canuckistani-dopers-bushs-visit-tomorrow/277180/119 "2004-12-01T12:49:01Z")
> [@Rune](#): > > India? You mean Turkey? D’oh. I somehow conflated the kashmir situation into… yeesh, need more sleep. I do indeed mean Turkey. ---
**Author:** ![Already\_in\_Use](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/a9adbd/32.png) [@Already\_in\_Use](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Already_in_Use)\ **Post date:** [December 1, 2004, 12:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/canuckistani-dopers-bushs-visit-tomorrow/277180/120 "2004-12-01T12:53:28Z")
> [@Bookkeeper](#): > > Since he’s going to be visiting the Museum of Civilization What’s next, Courtney Love visits the Museum of Sobriety? [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/canuckistani-dopers-bushs-visit-tomorrow/277180.md?page=5) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/canuckistani-dopers-bushs-visit-tomorrow/277180.md?page=7)