# CanvasShoes **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [August 24, 2003, 4:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/canvasshoes/197274 "2003-08-24T04:00:29Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 4
**Author:** ![AncientHumanoid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ancienthumanoid/32/278_2.png) [@AncientHumanoid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AncientHumanoid)\ **Post date:** [August 24, 2003, 9:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/canvasshoes/197274/61 "2003-08-24T21:21:00Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Ryle Dup \* > \*\*i cant talk to people, doesnt work, never will. \*\* Try again. You know you want to. Shucks, if I lived somewhere near San Rafale, California, I’d offer to meet you somewhere. May not end up as friends. may not help much at all. But, I _would_ try. And I’m one of the smarmier people out there. I’m also a quite a few states away. :::sigh::: If you can’t get out to meet someone, call someone. There are lots of strangers who love hepling people. [Like GirlsandBoystown](http://www.girlsandboystown.org/home.asp) 1-800-448-3000 **Siege** , I defer to your wisdom. I trust you know very well what may or may not be needed. Say “Hey!” to **Poly** for me. Ciao ---
**Author:** ![Nocturne](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/9fc348/32.png) [@Nocturne](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Nocturne)\ **Post date:** [August 24, 2003, 9:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/canvasshoes/197274/62 "2003-08-24T21:41:07Z")
**Siege** , with all due respect, **bobkitty** dealt me a bitchslap almost two years ago that saved my life. I’ve never really discussed it here, but between her “tough love,” **iampunha** ’s call to the police at my university, and the support of my friends (unfortunately, not my family), I got through the shitty part of more than one mental illness that was fucking me up, got medication and therapy, and got better. I realize it’s different for everyone. But cut **bobkitty** some slack. She’s not doing it because she thinks it’ll push him off the edge. She’s doing it because it has worked making people better before. I should know. I’m one of them. ---
**Author:** ![BottledBlondJeanie](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/0ea827/32.png) [@BottledBlondJeanie](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BottledBlondJeanie)\ **Post date:** [August 24, 2003, 9:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/canvasshoes/197274/63 "2003-08-24T21:59:58Z")
I don’t know about any personal knowledge that’s the basis of some of these statements so I can’t speak to where they’re coming from, but when you think that there’s the _possibility_ that someone is truly suicidal…isn’t it best to treat it as a _serious_possibility? And **Ryle** please believe me that there _are people_ who care about you…truly. Please don’t let this inner turmoil play-out here on the boards…talk to real-life folks like a counselor or even your doctors… ---
**Author:** ![Ryle\_Dup](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/5f9b8f/32.png) [@Ryle\_Dup](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ryle_Dup)\ **Post date:** [August 24, 2003, 10:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/canvasshoes/197274/64 "2003-08-24T22:21:31Z")
possibility? im lookin for methods, freezing or guns seems to be the best but i dont like in a northern climate… ---
**Author:** ![Bugnorton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/e19b73/32.png) [@Bugnorton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bugnorton)\ **Post date:** [August 24, 2003, 10:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/canvasshoes/197274/65 "2003-08-24T22:37:08Z")
**Ryle** , I don’t know you and, I have been trying really hard not to care and it’s not working **and** this is a message board, so, there **are** people IRL who want to know you and want to care about you, find them **now**. If you aren’t 18 yet, then you are at the pinnacle of life’s shittiness and therefore, it does get better. So, I could be wrong, we could all be wrong, but it won’t hurt to give it a chance and if you don’t, well to use the old cliche, you are persuing the old permanent solution to the temporary problem. Don’t go off with the I’ll show you, I’ll hurt me mentality, take a chance and reach out to someone IN REAL LIFE. By your own admission, you have nothing to lose (and everything to gain). Take the chance and make a call to someone REAL who can HELP. ---
**Author:** ![Thylacine](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thylacine/32/1143_2.png) [@Thylacine](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Thylacine)\ **Post date:** [August 24, 2003, 10:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/canvasshoes/197274/66 "2003-08-24T22:53:16Z")
**Ryle** , please take five minutes and read this [http://www.metanoia.org/suicide/](http://www.metanoia.org/suicide/) Take it from one who has spent years living in dark deadly places, it is not worth it. Get help. ---
**Author:** ![Siege](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/dbc845/32.png) [@Siege](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Siege)\ **Post date:** [August 24, 2003, 10:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/canvasshoes/197274/67 "2003-08-24T22:55:25Z")
People, **this is not a drill.** From what I’ve read from **Ryle** and what I know of him, he may attempt suicide within the next 24 hours. Among other things, he recently posted _every_ negative comment in this thread as more reasons why he does not deserve to live. Some of you may well think that. If that’s so, if you genuinely believe anyone in this thread does not deserve to live, you start with _me_. **World Eater** , you’d damn well better believe this includes you. If you truly believe **Ryle** ’s a worthless “piece of shit” who doesn’t deserve to live, start with me, because I’ve been worse off than him and my life ain’t worth that much anyway. Most of you, thank God, OG, the IPU or whatever deities happening to be hanging around, don’t suffer from clinical depression. I do. I’ve been where Ryle is, with my thinking so distorted that I cannot see or experience anything save pain and anger. I’ve been at the point where I have believed my death would only benefit my friends. I’ve believe I am unworthy of life because people treated me like I was unworthy of any kindness or consideration. I was strong enough, tough enough, and just plain stubborn enough to survive, even when I very badly wanted not to. I very badly want Ryle to have that privilege, too. I’m doing all I can to see that he does, but I don’t know if it’ll be enough. You haven’t seen me at my worst. I haven’t posted here when I’ve considered my life a waste of resources which could be put to better uses. The internet was in its infancy when I was a teenager, and I would have gotten in trouble for posting my troubles anyway – I would have been unduly burdening others. When I’ve been suicidal, and that is within the past year, I haven’t posted here because I’ve assumed you people would take steps to prevent it. Right now, **Ryle** is pretty much by definition not in his right mind. I hope and pray that he will find his way out of it, and I’m doing all I can to help. I don’t know if it will be enough. **Nocturne** , **Bob Kitty** and I have exchanged e-mails. I’ve also done my share of tough love in my time, but my response was due to what the actual effect on Ryle was. I’ll cut what slack I can, but right now, my own lines are pretty tight. CJ ---
**Author:** ![Blonde](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/3be4f8/32.png) [@Blonde](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Blonde)\ **Post date:** [August 24, 2003, 11:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/canvasshoes/197274/68 "2003-08-24T23:10:07Z")
Will some veterans - **Siege** and others - please follow the protocol for the situation; I don’t know whether that’s shutting down the thread, attempting to contact **Ryle** , or other steps. Hoping for the best. ---
**Author:** ![yosemite](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/y/3ab097/32.png) [@yosemite](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/yosemite)\ **Post date:** [August 24, 2003, 11:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/canvasshoes/197274/69 "2003-08-24T23:14:58Z")
OK, Siege, we believe it is not a drill. All our good thoughts go to you in your efforts, and I hope that Ryle Dup realizes that he indeed has a wonderful friend in you. ---
**Author:** ![Super\_Gnat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/e274bd/32.png) [@Super\_Gnat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Super_Gnat)\ **Post date:** [August 24, 2003, 11:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/canvasshoes/197274/70 "2003-08-24T23:15:42Z")
Calm down, **Ryle Dup**. Call one of the numbers that people have posted, and get thee to a doctor/psychiatrist NOW. There are people who love you and care about you and don’t want you to die. Listen to them, and please talk to someone IRL. Honestly, the SDMB isn’t the best place for you to be right now. Get off the net, and get some help. ---
**Author:** ![AncientHumanoid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ancienthumanoid/32/278_2.png) [@AncientHumanoid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AncientHumanoid)\ **Post date:** [August 24, 2003, 11:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/canvasshoes/197274/71 "2003-08-24T23:19:01Z")
**Siege** , my friend. When all this is over and **Ryle** is safely in the arms of counseling, be sure you see your counselor, too. **Ryle**. I’m pretty sure you’re listening. Call the people that can help you. You have the numbers to certain Dopers, too. Call. Call now. Please. ---
**Author:** ![AncientHumanoid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ancienthumanoid/32/278_2.png) [@AncientHumanoid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AncientHumanoid)\ **Post date:** [August 24, 2003, 11:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/canvasshoes/197274/72 "2003-08-24T23:20:28Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Blonde \* > \*\*Will some veterans - **Siege** and others - please follow the protocol for the situation; I don’t know whether that’s shutting down the thread, attempting to contact **Ryle** , or other steps. Hoping for the best. \*\* Being done. ---
**Author:** ![lezlers](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/258eb7/32.png) [@lezlers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/lezlers)\ **Post date:** [August 24, 2003, 11:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/canvasshoes/197274/73 "2003-08-24T23:32:06Z")
Can anybody call _him_? I don’t know, I’ve never been in his or many of your situations, but it seems to me like he needs to hear another human voice, not read words on a message board. ---
**Author:** ![AncientHumanoid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ancienthumanoid/32/278_2.png) [@AncientHumanoid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AncientHumanoid)\ **Post date:** [August 24, 2003, 11:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/canvasshoes/197274/74 "2003-08-24T23:35:32Z")
**Ryle** [Read this](http://www.metanoia.org/suicide/) ---
**Author:** ![AncientHumanoid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ancienthumanoid/32/278_2.png) [@AncientHumanoid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AncientHumanoid)\ **Post date:** [August 24, 2003, 11:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/canvasshoes/197274/75 "2003-08-24T23:41:18Z")
Dopers, in case he calls _you_, [read this](http://www.metanoia.org/suicide/sphone.htm). ---
**Author:** ![Nocturne](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/9fc348/32.png) [@Nocturne](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Nocturne)\ **Post date:** [August 24, 2003, 11:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/canvasshoes/197274/76 "2003-08-24T23:47:31Z")
**Siege** , believe me, I understand, but I think what this kids needs at the moment, rather than tough love and more words, is for someone to call the proper authorities FOR him. ---
**Author:** ![AncientHumanoid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ancienthumanoid/32/278_2.png) [@AncientHumanoid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AncientHumanoid)\ **Post date:** [August 24, 2003, 11:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/canvasshoes/197274/77 "2003-08-24T23:50:47Z")
Seige already did that ---
**Author:** ![AncientHumanoid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ancienthumanoid/32/278_2.png) [@AncientHumanoid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AncientHumanoid)\ **Post date:** [August 24, 2003, 11:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/canvasshoes/197274/78 "2003-08-24T23:58:36Z")
You see, **Ryle**? There are some people who care. Even though they don’t know you. And I believe you want relief from whatever heavy burden of pain you are feeling. That’s what’s so hard about life sometimes. It gives you good and bad, but not always in equal doses. Man, sometimes it just piles on the bad. Feeling overwhelmed is a normal response. I want you to really hear that. Feeling overwhelmed is a normal response. It’s okay to feel bad. That shows you are a real person with real feelings. Some of us here can become real to you. Call the numbers you have. Or just choose one person to call. Doesn’t matter. Any choice you make as to who to call is the right one ---
**Author:** ![AncientHumanoid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ancienthumanoid/32/278_2.png) [@AncientHumanoid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AncientHumanoid)\ **Post date:** [August 25, 2003, 12:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/canvasshoes/197274/79 "2003-08-25T00:02:35Z")
I know you don’t really want to die. You’re showing us that by staying online and posting every now and then. That’s good. Wjhat you really want is the pain to go away, right? You probably feel very angry right now, too. That’s ok. It’s normal. Post something so I know you’re still reading. Doesn’t have to be a reply. Just a smiley will do. ---
**Author:** ![AncientHumanoid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ancienthumanoid/32/278_2.png) [@AncientHumanoid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AncientHumanoid)\ **Post date:** [August 25, 2003, 12:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/canvasshoes/197274/80 "2003-08-25T00:09:17Z")
“Suicide is not chosen; it happens when pain exceeds resources for coping with pain.” We want to help you with those resources. You are not crazy. Or weak. You just have more than you can cope with right now. That’s ok. Imagine if I were piling on a physical weight on you. Eventually, it be too much to bear unsupported. You’ll need someone’s assistance. Same thing with emotions. Call one of us. You have the numbers. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/canvasshoes/197274.md?page=3) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/canvasshoes/197274.md?page=5)