# Capt. Typho Clone scene (AOTC Spoilers) **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [May 22, 2002, 11:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/capt-typho-clone-scene-aotc-spoilers/110396 "2002-05-22T23:43:16Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![sturmhauke](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/e47c2d/32.png) [@sturmhauke](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/sturmhauke)\ **Post date:** [May 23, 2002, 10:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/capt-typho-clone-scene-aotc-spoilers/110396/41 "2002-05-23T22:19:00Z")
Looking at the pictures again, I see 3 possibilities: The clone actor is Temuera Morrison, and it’s not plain as day because of the way the shot is set up (lighting especially). The clone actor is Temuera Morrison, and it’s not plain as day because the clones and Jango are made to look different ages through some combination of CGI and prosthetics. There exists software to take an image of a face and change its age in either direction. The clone actor is some uncredited 3rd actor who looks like a younger Temuera Morrison (unlikely). The clone actor is NOT Jay Laga’aia. Open my 3rd link (cafeteria shot) and Natural-J-Bankie’s 1st link (Typho), each in their own window. Adjust the size of the windows and scroll around so that you only see the center clone and Typho, respectively. You should be looking at two heads in nearly identical orientations. If you still aren’t convinced, open the two images in a graphics program side by side, and zoom in on various features. The clone’s features are more angular and narrower than Typho’s. Examine the hairline. The clone has one sharp peak above the forehead, while Typho has two round peaks. ---
**Author:** ![The\_Controvert](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/dec6dc/32.png) [@The\_Controvert](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Controvert)\ **Post date:** [May 23, 2002, 10:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/capt-typho-clone-scene-aotc-spoilers/110396/42 "2002-05-23T22:36:56Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by El Elvis Rojo \* > \*\*Why wait ten years for a clone army when you can just enlist a large percent of a single planets population into your army. It’s not like they have a choice, the Empire says you’re in the military now, you’re in the military. Clones at this point become a waste of time and resources. \*\* What would you rather have? Clones of a professional bounty hunter, or a bunch of Pauly Shores? ---
**Author:** ![Morbo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/morbo/32/389_2.png) [@Morbo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Morbo)\ **Post date:** [May 23, 2002, 11:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/capt-typho-clone-scene-aotc-spoilers/110396/43 "2002-05-23T23:04:23Z")
> [@](#): > > Adjust the size of the windows and scroll around so that you only see the center clone and Typho, respectively. You should be looking at two heads in nearly identical orientations. I did exactly this - I placed both head shots in tiny IE windows, then added a third one of Jango Fett, and compared all three. Call me a crack smoker, but Typho goes to prison if that clone is put in a lineup, and Jango Fett does not. Whether or not this was intentional, and I’m farily certain that it was not intentional, there’s no way that clone looks anything like Jango, and he looks almost exactly like Typho. Lucas probably intended them to look like younger and unscarred versions of Jango, but damn - I sure wish he had gone with a blonde guy for Typho, or stuck with Kastagir… ---
**Author:** ![Silentgoldfish](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/e36b37/32.png) [@Silentgoldfish](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Silentgoldfish)\ **Post date:** [May 24, 2002, 1:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/capt-typho-clone-scene-aotc-spoilers/110396/44 "2002-05-24T01:23:00Z")
Seriously, a lot of you are coming off in this thread like the people that say all asians/blacks/whatevers look the same. It’s ridiculous what some of you are reading into an actor with a bit part looking slightly similiar to one of the main actors. No sub-plot, no hidden conspiracy, just two Maoris in a movie. ---
**Author:** ![Morbo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/morbo/32/389_2.png) [@Morbo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Morbo)\ **Post date:** [May 24, 2002, 1:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/capt-typho-clone-scene-aotc-spoilers/110396/45 "2002-05-24T01:41:29Z")
WHA–? The RACE card?? You can’t possibly be serious, can you? Have you **looked** at the pictures? I would be offended if your statement weren’t so utterly absurd. Oh, and Jay Laga’aia (Capt. Typho) is Samoan. Temuera Morrison (Jango Fett) is Maori. Perhaps they all look the same to **you**. :rolleyes: Get off your high horse and get over yourself. ---
**Author:** ![Silentgoldfish](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/e36b37/32.png) [@Silentgoldfish](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Silentgoldfish)\ **Post date:** [May 24, 2002, 2:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/capt-typho-clone-scene-aotc-spoilers/110396/46 "2002-05-24T02:01:05Z")
I’m not on a high horse, I’m just saying that this has got to be the stupidest Star Wars thread ever. I’d bet money that there is absolutely no connection with Capt. Tycho and the clones. ---
**Author:** ![waterj2](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/858c86/32.png) [@waterj2](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/waterj2)\ **Post date:** [May 24, 2002, 4:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/capt-typho-clone-scene-aotc-spoilers/110396/47 "2002-05-24T04:05:51Z")
Also, I think the idea of the scene being accidentally filmed with the wrong actor, as some have proposed, is simply preposterous. I mean, how would that even happen? ---
**Author:** ![spiceprincess](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ee7513/32.png) [@spiceprincess](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/spiceprincess)\ **Post date:** [May 24, 2002, 5:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/capt-typho-clone-scene-aotc-spoilers/110396/48 "2002-05-24T05:30:23Z")
As others have pointed out, Lucas is not the master of subtlety and my impression of the cafeteria scene was that ole George was at it again. It seemed that he specifically showed the clone eating close-up. Earlier he had specifically shown Typho and his eye-patch. At the time I was reminded of Palpatine and the Emporer’s chin scenes from TPM. I immediately thought that Capt. Typho was a clone of Jango. How old is Jango supposed to be? And Capt. Typho. Couldn’t Capt. Typho be a young Jango clone? Either that or as someone posted earlier, they took Morrison and touched him up to make him look younger. ---
**Author:** ![brad\_d](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/50afbb/32.png) [@brad\_d](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/brad_d)\ **Post date:** [May 24, 2002, 8:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/capt-typho-clone-scene-aotc-spoilers/110396/49 "2002-05-24T08:04:06Z")
On _very_ close examination, I can see that Typho and Cafeteria Clone aren’t played by the same guy. However, I can hardly blame somebody for thinking that they are given only a quick look. And, no, I don’t think that’s my all-dark-skinned-folk-look-the-same complex speaking there. To me, Cafeteria Clone and Jango Fett don’t look a damn thing alike. However, since there’s **no** credible reason IMO to suspect that CC is a clone of anybody but JF, I’m willing to write it off as something that just couldn’t be avoided. Is it possible that the Cafeteria Clone is a CGI morph between the actors who play Jango and Boba? Boba is noticeably darker in complexion than Jango, as I recall. ---
**Author:** ![sturmhauke](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/e47c2d/32.png) [@sturmhauke](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/sturmhauke)\ **Post date:** [May 24, 2002, 8:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/capt-typho-clone-scene-aotc-spoilers/110396/50 "2002-05-24T08:29:58Z")
Morphing is definitely a possibility. [random silliness] Begun this Cafeteria Clone War has. - Yogurt Aim your spitballs at the nearest Federation Glazed Donut Hole. - a clone prankster [/random silliness] ---
**Author:** ![lawoot](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/35a633/32.png) [@lawoot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/lawoot)\ **Post date:** [May 24, 2002, 11:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/capt-typho-clone-scene-aotc-spoilers/110396/51 "2002-05-24T11:58:09Z")
> [@](#): > > _originally posted by spiceprincess_ > \*\*As others have pointed out, Lucas is not the master of subtlety and my impression of the cafeteria scene was that ole George was at it again. It seemed that he specifically showed the clone eating close-up. Earlier he had specifically shown Typho and his eye-patch. At the time I was reminded of Palpatine and the Emporer’s chin scenes from TPM. I immediately thought that Capt. Typho was a clone of Jango. > \*\* as did I, unitl I saw Jango a few scenes later, and realized that the two were similar in appearance. ---
**Author:** ![Yondan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/y/278dde/32.png) [@Yondan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Yondan)\ **Post date:** [May 24, 2002, 2:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/capt-typho-clone-scene-aotc-spoilers/110396/52 "2002-05-24T14:27:02Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Dooku \* > \*\* > > I did exactly this - I placed both head shots in tiny IE windows, then added a third one of Jango Fett, and compared all three. Call me a crack smoker, but Typho goes to prison if that clone is put in a lineup, and Jango Fett does not. Whether or not this was intentional, and I’m farily certain that it was not intentional, there’s no way that clone looks anything like Jango, and he looks almost exactly like Typho. > > Lucas probably intended them to look like younger and unscarred versions of Jango, but damn - I sure wish he had gone with a blonde guy for Typho, or stuck with Kastagir… \*\* I did this too, and like **Dooku** , I am more convinced that the actor who played Typho is the one featured in the cafeteria clone scene. I find particular features really strike me:[list=a] [li]Identical hairlines [/li][li]Identical forehead structures and skin texture, (Jango has marked lines in his forhead, whereas Clone and Typho are unlined)[/li][li]Identically shaped eyebrows. (C and T are gentle curves, where J has a more pronounced, almost sharp arch.[/li][li]Lip shape. J’s lips are rather thin, compared to C’s and T’s fuller lips[/li][/list=a] Do I think this has any plot significance or meaning? No way in seven frozen levels of hell. I just think it’s one more probably SNAFU’d detail in a vastly complicated, special-effects-heavy movie that acts like the drone of a single mosquito; it’s truly minor, but quite irritating because it raises all these unnecessary questions in a movie where there are already serious plot problems. If they are not the same actor, then the most likely explanation is that this was a third actor, who bears an terrifically unfortunate resemblance to Typho, playing a younger version of Jango. Bizarre. ---
**Author:** ![Sunshine](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/3ec8ea/32.png) [@Sunshine](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sunshine)\ **Post date:** [May 24, 2002, 3:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/capt-typho-clone-scene-aotc-spoilers/110396/53 "2002-05-24T15:37:44Z")
Well, count me in with **Yondan** and **Dooku**. I just saw it again last night and that combined with putting the Typho head and the Clone head right next to each other clinches it for me. They have the exact same hairline! There is just no way I will ever be convinced that Typho and the Cafeteria Clones are not the same. Here’s what I’m thinking: A. The clones in the cafeteria WERE Jango clones B. The clones in the cafeteria look like Typho C. The clones in the cafeteria don’t look like Jango because they are not at his current age yet D. Typho is a Jango clone Typho **IS** a Jango clone. He’s just not as old as Jango currently is, which is why they don’t look the same. All the clones in the cafeteria are also Jango clones. For whatever reason, Sidious or Tyrannus has planted one of their own men, a Jango clone named Typho, as part of Amidala’s guard. The whole point of the cafeteria scene was to drop a hint that all is not as we think. I’m sure it will play out in the next movie. Once we all accept that, we can move on to speculation for the next three years. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![BlackKnight](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/eb8c5e/32.png) [@BlackKnight](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BlackKnight)\ **Post date:** [May 24, 2002, 6:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/capt-typho-clone-scene-aotc-spoilers/110396/54 "2002-05-24T18:01:02Z")
Has anyone tried checking out the credits of the movie to see if the clones are listed? The illegal copy my friend has doesn’t have credits. ---
**Author:** ![Kilt-wearin\_man](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/82dd89/32.png) [@Kilt-wearin\_man](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kilt-wearin_man)\ **Post date:** [May 24, 2002, 6:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/capt-typho-clone-scene-aotc-spoilers/110396/55 "2002-05-24T18:21:54Z")
Unfortunately, the only clone trooper credited in the cast list is an actor we never see without his helmet (i think this has been discussed before in this thread). I still don’t understand how people can think the cafeteria clone looks like Typho. Their faces are completely different shapes - look at the noses and jawlines. I hope none of the Typho cloners are ever in front of a police line-up. ---
**Author:** ![Morbo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/morbo/32/389_2.png) [@Morbo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Morbo)\ **Post date:** [May 24, 2002, 6:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/capt-typho-clone-scene-aotc-spoilers/110396/56 "2002-05-24T18:34:56Z")
Maybe a bunch of us can ask Ebert’s Movie Answer Man column to get to the bottom of this - he may try and address it if it comes from a bunch of different people… **Silentgoldfish** , you think this is a stupid thread about AOTC? Did you miss the “What is the significance of Peter Cushing and Christopher Lee both being in Star Wars movies” thread? ---
**Author:** ![sturmhauke](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/e47c2d/32.png) [@sturmhauke](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/sturmhauke)\ **Post date:** [May 24, 2002, 6:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/capt-typho-clone-scene-aotc-spoilers/110396/57 "2002-05-24T18:46:23Z")
Hey, no fair using my own evidence against me! Anyway, Typho’s and the clones’ hairlines are not identical. Here’s a little diagram I made of the two hairlines. (exaggerated for clarity) ````auto clone ::::::::::::: ::```:::```:: : ` : : : Typho ::::::::::::: : `::` `::` : : : :: :: ```` Yeah, Jango’s older looking than the clones, with wrinkles and whatnot, but I’ve already addressed that. God, I can’t believe I’m spending so much time on this. If you guys don’t believe me, I give up. ---
**Author:** ![Max\_Carnage](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/max_carnage/32/12775_2.png) [@Max\_Carnage](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Max_Carnage)\ **Post date:** [May 24, 2002, 7:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/capt-typho-clone-scene-aotc-spoilers/110396/58 "2002-05-24T19:05:39Z")
I don’t care if they do look alike. It makes no sense for there to be a huge shot of Typho clones when they just got through discussing the fact that they are making Jango clones. And I don’t go for the “accidental use of Typho’s face” in that scene. What, they were getting ready to film footage for that scene, Jango wasn’t around so they said “Hey, Typho, sit here for a second so we can get a feel of what 200,000 Pacific Islanders eating lunch looks like”? And they proceded to make that same mistake on every clone you see? Highly doubtful. I do agree, the two actors have similar features, but in context of the scene, I don’t see how anyone could think it’s Typho. But **Dooku** , that is a great idea. I read that article every week. I wonder if he’d be interested in researching it. It be good for him to actually WATCH the movie this time since apparently all he did last time was notice the ‘film’ quality and not the movie itself. ---
**Author:** ![Sunshine](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/3ec8ea/32.png) [@Sunshine](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sunshine)\ **Post date:** [May 24, 2002, 7:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/capt-typho-clone-scene-aotc-spoilers/110396/59 "2002-05-24T19:31:33Z")
Well, I’m not disputing the fact that they ARE Jango clones. They just look like Typho (who is a Jango clone not fully aged). See? I’m agreeing with you, **Max**! ---
**Author:** ![Morbo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/morbo/32/389_2.png) [@Morbo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Morbo)\ **Post date:** [May 24, 2002, 7:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/capt-typho-clone-scene-aotc-spoilers/110396/60 "2002-05-24T19:38:43Z")
OK, I just sent Ebert this as an Answer Man question. (Not mentioning a word about the SDMB, of course). I figure if a dozen or so of us ask it also, he’ll be compelled to look into it. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/capt-typho-clone-scene-aotc-spoilers/110396.md?page=2) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/capt-typho-clone-scene-aotc-spoilers/110396.md?page=4)