# Captain America 2 - Open Spoilers **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [April 3, 2014, 9:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/captain-america-2-open-spoilers/685289 "2014-04-03T21:04:59Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 13
**Author:** ![Ethilrist](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ethilrist/32/4604_2.png) [@Ethilrist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ethilrist)\ **Post date:** [April 14, 2014, 5:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/captain-america-2-open-spoilers/685289/241 "2014-04-14T17:11:53Z")
> [@RikWriter](#): > > He saw the guy servicing the machine…he slipped it in before the guy closed it. And he put it behind a bunch of chewing gum that I personally wouldn’t expect to sell out fast. I imagine it “sold out” pretty quickly once Black Widow saw it back there. I loved Black Widow’s arrow necklace; it made all the conflicting emotion scenes with Cap more interesting, in that he’s firmly in the “friend zone” and she wants to help, but more than that? Not really gonna happen. I was a bit annoyed that Nick Fury called Maria Hill and summoned her to DC in ultimate stealth mode, and the first time we see her, she’s standing right there in the hospital. She didn’t even bother to change out of her SHIELD uniform. > [@drastic\_quench](#): > > Civil War sucked. And they’ve got the exact wrong characterization of Iron Man to even go down that path. Movie Iron Man is on record telling Banner to swagger and cut loose. You can’t suddenly have him be all registration/lockdown happy even if you get Kevin Spacey to put Pepper’s head in a box. Besides, Spacey’s villain is DC. Maybe I’m just gullible, but when the Councilwoman cut loose on the Hydra agents at the end, I totally bought the idea that Jenny Agutter’s character had been a SHIELD agent in the 70’s or so and still had a few moves left in her. > [@RikWriter](#): > > I don’t think Marvel Studios is going to go that route. They’ve already said they aren’t afraid to re-cast. Seemed to work pretty well for Bruce Banner and Rhodey. ---
**Author:** ![Intergalactic\_Gladiator](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/intergalactic_gladiator/32/112_2.png) [@Intergalactic\_Gladiator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Intergalactic_Gladiator)\ **Post date:** [April 14, 2014, 5:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/captain-america-2-open-spoilers/685289/242 "2014-04-14T17:17:50Z")
> [@YogSosoth](#): > > Wait, what does the Pentagon care about a fictional secret agency deciding to launch a nuke? I know they don’t like the military portrayed in a negative light or falsely in movies, but SHIELD doesn’t exist I thought I read somewhere that the US Military was going to support the movie until they read the scene about nuking New York. I don’t see that in IMDB’s trivia page on the movie though. It may be out there somewhere. There was a time when filmmakers wanted the Pentagon to back them. The Navy backed Top Gun and the movie got to use Tomcats and other official stuff. The DOD did not cooperate with the filmmakers of [Courage Under Fire](http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0115956/trivia?ref_=tt_trv_trv) so they used Chieftain tanks goosed up to look like Abrams. I suppose nowadays it doesn’t matter so much as effects teams can make official-looking equipment via CGI. Found an article on Avengers movie: [Pentagon Quit The Avengers Because of Its 'Unreality' | WIRED](http://www.wired.com/2012/05/avengers-military/) ---
**Author:** ![Push\_You\_Down](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/push_you_down/32/9095_2.png) [@Push\_You\_Down](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Push_You_Down)\ **Post date:** [April 14, 2014, 6:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/captain-america-2-open-spoilers/685289/243 "2014-04-14T18:02:55Z")
> [@Ethilrist](#): > > Maybe I’m just gullible, but when the Councilwoman cut loose on the Hydra agents at the end, I totally bought the idea that Jenny Agutter’s character had been a SHIELD agent in the 70’s or so and still had a few moves left in her. I thought the same thing–at the least she was a former agent of some kind and had some moves. I assumed Widow had snuck aboard one of the helicarriers and that’s why the “assault team” was only Cap and Falcon. They’d draw all the attention while Widow quietly took out one of the carriers’ systems and then escaped on a quinjet. ---
**Author:** ![Bakhesh](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/3da27b/32.png) [@Bakhesh](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bakhesh)\ **Post date:** [April 14, 2014, 7:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/captain-america-2-open-spoilers/685289/244 "2014-04-14T19:28:07Z")
> [@Ethilrist](#): > > Seemed to work pretty well for Bruce Banner and Rhodey. Comics get ‘recast’ every time they get a new artist or writer, so to be honest, I don’t think it will be a problem ---
**Author:** ![Ranchoth](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ranchoth/32/1066_2.png) [@Ranchoth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ranchoth)\ **Post date:** [April 14, 2014, 8:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/captain-america-2-open-spoilers/685289/245 "2014-04-14T20:07:17Z")
> [@Ethilrist](#): > > Maybe I’m just gullible, but when the Councilwoman cut loose on the Hydra agents at the end, I totally bought the idea that Jenny Agutter’s character had been a SHIELD agent in the 70’s or so and still had a few moves left in her. For a split second, I was expecting that they’d reveal that she was Peggy Carter’s daughter…different surname, of course, since she’d gotten married after Cap disappeared. Rather _quickly_ gotten married, at that… 😃 ---
**Author:** ![Chronos](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chronos/32/134_2.png) [@Chronos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chronos)\ **Post date:** [April 14, 2014, 8:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/captain-america-2-open-spoilers/685289/246 "2014-04-14T20:12:09Z")
Personally, I was expecting some flippant, irrelevant explanation: Something like “What? I took a few self defense for women classes last year.”. Finding out that it was Black Widow in disguise was disappointing on multiple levels. In addition to what others have said, it raises the question of why Mystique is a big deal if anyone with a gadget can do the same thing (yeah, I know Mystique isn’t yet in the Marvel cinematic universe, but she should be). And what else has SHIELD accomplished with these magic disguises? ---
**Author:** ![levdrakon](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/49beb7/32.png) [@levdrakon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/levdrakon)\ **Post date:** [April 14, 2014, 8:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/captain-america-2-open-spoilers/685289/247 "2014-04-14T20:22:43Z")
Deus ex machinas abound, but skillful writers ought to be mostly above that. ---
**Author:** ![Intergalactic\_Gladiator](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/intergalactic_gladiator/32/112_2.png) [@Intergalactic\_Gladiator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Intergalactic_Gladiator)\ **Post date:** [April 14, 2014, 8:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/captain-america-2-open-spoilers/685289/248 "2014-04-14T20:34:47Z")
> [@Chronos](#): > > Personally, I was expecting some flippant, irrelevant explanation: Something like “What? I took a few self defense for women classes last year.”. Finding out that it was Black Widow in disguise was disappointing on multiple levels. In addition to what others have said, it raises the question of why Mystique is a big deal if anyone with a gadget can do the same thing (yeah, I know Mystique isn’t yet in the Marvel cinematic universe, but she should be). And what else has SHIELD accomplished with these magic disguises? Yeah, it would have been a better “F\*\*\* Yeah!” moment had it actually been the WSC member instead of Black Widow in disguise, but I think BW needed to be in that scene so it was a bit of a shorthand. Maybe BW could have crashed through the window instead or something. ---
**Author:** ![Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/7cd45c/32.png) [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Elendil_s_Heir)\ **Post date:** [April 15, 2014, 2:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/captain-america-2-open-spoilers/685289/249 "2014-04-15T02:51:50Z")
> [@Intergalactic\_Gladiator](#): > > Yeah, it would have been a better “F\*\*\* Yeah!” moment had it actually been the WSC member instead of Black Widow in disguise, but I think BW needed to be in that scene so it was a bit of a shorthand. Maybe BW could have crashed through the window instead or something. That would’ve been better. Let the older lady have her moment of kickass glory. ---
**Author:** ![wonky](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wonky/32/393_2.png) [@wonky](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wonky)\ **Post date:** [April 15, 2014, 3:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/captain-america-2-open-spoilers/685289/250 "2014-04-15T03:48:06Z")
I, too, remember a brief, shining moment of “Dayum! She’s kicking some ass!” And then it was Black Widow and not nearly as fun (even though I like Black Widow). ---
**Author:** ![Little\_Nemo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/little_nemo/32/3120_2.png) [@Little\_Nemo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Little_Nemo)\ **Post date:** [April 15, 2014, 7:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/captain-america-2-open-spoilers/685289/251 "2014-04-15T07:11:45Z")
> [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](#): > > That would’ve been better. Let the older lady have her moment of kickass glory. It’s funny that people thought it was so strange seeing Jenny Agutter having a fight scene at the age of 61. But nobody questions Samuel L. Jackson doing fight scenes at 65 or Robert Redford doing them at 77. ---
**Author:** ![bienville](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/4bbf92/32.png) [@bienville](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bienville)\ **Post date:** [April 15, 2014, 8:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/captain-america-2-open-spoilers/685289/252 "2014-04-15T08:49:05Z")
> [@levdrakon](#): > > Deus ex machinas abound, but skillful writers ought to be mostly above that. Dei ex machina 😛 ---
**Author:** ![Bakhesh](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/3da27b/32.png) [@Bakhesh](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bakhesh)\ **Post date:** [April 15, 2014, 8:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/captain-america-2-open-spoilers/685289/253 "2014-04-15T08:58:16Z")
> [@Little\_Nemo](#): > > It’s funny that people thought it was so strange seeing Jenny Agutter having a fight scene at the age of 61. But nobody questions Samuel L. Jackson doing fight scenes at 65 or Robert Redford doing them at 77. I think its more than it’s Jenny Agutter. She holds a special place in the hearts of many men of a certain age, due to her habit of doing topless scenes when she was younger. ---
**Author:** ![Jonathan\_Chance](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jonathan_chance/32/701_2.png) [@Jonathan\_Chance](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jonathan_Chance)\ **Post date:** [April 15, 2014, 10:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/captain-america-2-open-spoilers/685289/254 "2014-04-15T10:14:24Z")
Jessica-5, baby. Jessica-5. ---
**Author:** ![Chronos](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chronos/32/134_2.png) [@Chronos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chronos)\ **Post date:** [April 15, 2014, 3:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/captain-america-2-open-spoilers/685289/255 "2014-04-15T15:23:05Z")
That, and it plays against expectations of the way the character is presented. With Fury, he’s got an eyepatch, he’s worked his way to the top of an elite badass organization, and he’s played by Samuel L. Jackson: We expect butt-kicking. With Jenny Agutter’s character, though, we expect a boring old bureaucrat, and so butt-kicking comes as a surprise. ---
**Author:** ![Dr\_Doom](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/0ea827/32.png) [@Dr\_Doom](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dr_Doom)\ **Post date:** [April 15, 2014, 3:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/captain-america-2-open-spoilers/685289/256 "2014-04-15T15:27:48Z")
Just saw this last night, and I was completely satisfied. Well, almost completely. I was really hoping for a new Guardians of the Galaxy trailer. Ah well. Loved the opening hand-to-hand scene between Cap and Batroc, played by none other than UFC Welterweight legend and proud Canadian [Georges St. Pierre](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Georges_St-Pierre). No doubt GSP performed his own stunts. Also cool that one of the characters later suggested to Steve Rogers that he could join the UFC as a career, were he to “retire” from being Captain America. Excellent film, and I was a bit worried going in that my having watched Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D. last week might have detracted from the movie, but on the contrary I was fairly convinced that Fury had indeed died because of the AoS episode. ---
**Author:** ![D\_Odds](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/d_odds/32/2882_2.png) [@D\_Odds](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/D_Odds)\ **Post date:** [April 15, 2014, 3:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/captain-america-2-open-spoilers/685289/257 "2014-04-15T15:54:12Z")
Dr. Doom should not be posting in a Captain America thread, as his movie character is owned by Fox and if you start crossing the streams, you might implode the known universe. Also, considering the general quality difference between Disney/Marvel Studios productions and the others, we don’t want _your kind_ polluting this universe. 🆒 ---
**Author:** ![Little\_Nemo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/little_nemo/32/3120_2.png) [@Little\_Nemo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Little_Nemo)\ **Post date:** [April 15, 2014, 4:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/captain-america-2-open-spoilers/685289/258 "2014-04-15T16:03:32Z")
> [@Bakhesh](#): > > I think its more than it’s Jenny Agutter. She holds a special place in the hearts of many men of a certain age, due to her habit of doing topless scenes when she was younger. I saw _Logan’s Run_ when I was fifteen. You don’t have to explain this to me. ---
**Author:** ![Little\_Nemo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/little_nemo/32/3120_2.png) [@Little\_Nemo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Little_Nemo)\ **Post date:** [April 15, 2014, 4:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/captain-america-2-open-spoilers/685289/259 "2014-04-15T16:05:10Z")
> [@D\_Odds](#): > > Dr. Doom should not be posting in a Captain America thread, as his movie character is owned by Fox and if you start crossing the streams, you might implode the known universe. He was posting across the Chris Evans nexus that connects the two universes. ---
**Author:** ![Bakhesh](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/3da27b/32.png) [@Bakhesh](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bakhesh)\ **Post date:** [April 15, 2014, 4:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/captain-america-2-open-spoilers/685289/260 "2014-04-15T16:05:18Z")
> [@Little\_Nemo](#): > > I saw _Logan’s Run_ when I was fifteen. You don’t have to explain this to me. It was “American Werewolf in London” for me… \ [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/captain-america-2-open-spoilers/685289.md?page=12) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/captain-america-2-open-spoilers/685289.md?page=14)