# Captain America 2 - Open Spoilers **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [April 3, 2014, 9:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/captain-america-2-open-spoilers/685289 "2014-04-03T21:04:59Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 15
**Author:** ![DZedNConfused](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dzednconfused/32/15991_2.png) [@DZedNConfused](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DZedNConfused)\ **Post date:** [April 16, 2014, 1:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/captain-america-2-open-spoilers/685289/281 "2014-04-16T01:52:58Z")
Much of it was shot in Cleveland, right? ---
**Author:** ![silenus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/silenus/32/166_2.png) [@silenus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/silenus)\ **Post date:** [April 16, 2014, 2:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/captain-america-2-open-spoilers/685289/282 "2014-04-16T02:34:58Z")
If they were Cleveland PD then my point is made. šŸ˜‰ ---
**Author:** ![Miller](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/miller/32/481_2.png) [@Miller](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Miller)\ **Post date:** [April 16, 2014, 3:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/captain-america-2-open-spoilers/685289/283 "2014-04-16T03:20:29Z")
> [@Little\_Nemo](#): > > I could accept this if the Winter Soldier had been waiting on the same street where the chase was going on. All he would have had to do then is go farther down the street and wait for the chase to get to him. > > But thatā€™s not what happened. Fury and the chase vehicles were going down the street and then Fury turned a corner to get away. And the Winter Soldier was standing there waiting for him on that side street. > > So how did the Winter Soldier know that Fury was going to turn on to that particular street. Fury himself hadnā€™t planned it. I just got back from a second viewing of the movie, and I was thinking of this discussion during this scene. Fury makes a hard turn, but not onto a side street - heā€™s at a four-way intersection when he does it. The police cars are right on his tail, and donā€™t make the turn. Thereā€™s about a three beat pause in the action. Fury looks back and sees that theyā€™re gone, looks up at the HUD on his windshield to try to contact Maria Hill, and then notices that thereā€™s someone standing in the middle of the next intersection. The Winter Soldier isnā€™t right there when he turns the corner, heā€™s at least a full city block away - far enough away that Furyā€™s driving for a few seconds before he even notices that thereā€™s a guy in the middle of the street with a grenade launcher. If the Winter Soldier had been pacing the chase on a parallel street on a motorcycle, thereā€™s plenty of time for him to have reached the next intersection before Fury and ditch the bike. Also, something I noticed in the credits: the narrator at the Captain America exhibit at the museum was Gary Sinise! ---
**Author:** ![Ethilrist](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ethilrist/32/4604_2.png) [@Ethilrist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ethilrist)\ **Post date:** [April 16, 2014, 12:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/captain-america-2-open-spoilers/685289/284 "2014-04-16T12:18:16Z")
So my biggest complaint with the Marvel Universe, as finally demonstrated in this movie? S.H.I.E.L.D. has been around for over 50 years, and _nobody realized the acronym was SHIELD?_ Agent Phil Coulson: Iā€™m Agent Phil Coulson with the Strategic Homeland Intervention, Enforcement and Logistics Division. Virginia ā€˜Pepperā€™ Potts: Thatā€™s quite a mouthful. Agent Phil Coulson: I know. Weā€™re working on it. ---
**Author:** ![DrFidelius](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/drfidelius/32/3447_2.png) [@DrFidelius](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrFidelius)\ **Post date:** [April 16, 2014, 12:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/captain-america-2-open-spoilers/685289/285 "2014-04-16T12:27:42Z")
> [@Ethilrist](#): > > So my biggest complaint with the Marvel Universe, as finally demonstrated in this movie? S.H.I.E.L.D. has been around for over 50 years, and _nobody realized the acronym was SHIELD?_ > > Agent Phil Coulson: Iā€™m Agent Phil Coulson with the Strategic Homeland Intervention, Enforcement and Logistics Division. > Virginia ā€˜Pepperā€™ Potts: Thatā€™s quite a mouthful. > Agent Phil Coulson: I know. Weā€™re working on it. I think that was an example of Coulsonā€™s puckish sense of humor. Personally, I wonder how the super-secret organization of MIB of the Marvelverse maintained their cover with a 42-story office building headquarters right on the Potomac. ---
**Author:** ![RikWriter](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/49beb7/32.png) [@RikWriter](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RikWriter)\ **Post date:** [April 16, 2014, 1:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/captain-america-2-open-spoilers/685289/286 "2014-04-16T13:03:36Z")
> [@DrFidelius](#): > > I think that was an example of Coulsonā€™s puckish sense of humor. Yeah, the latest episode of Agents of SHIELD kinda skewered the idea that the acronym was a coincidence. Coulson said that he swore an oath to be a shield between extraordinary threats and the innocent people of the world. ---
**Author:** ![DrFidelius](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/drfidelius/32/3447_2.png) [@DrFidelius](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrFidelius)\ **Post date:** [April 16, 2014, 1:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/captain-america-2-open-spoilers/685289/287 "2014-04-16T13:10:42Z")
> [@RikWriter](#): > > Yeah, the latest episode of Agents of SHIELD kinda skewered the idea that the acronym was a coincidence. Coulson said that he swore an oath to be a shield between extraordinary threats and the innocent people of the world. Also, when talking with civilians, spelling out the whole thing is a good bit of misdirection. Anyone not involved with metahuman defense or superscience containment will zone out half-way through the introduction. ā€œIā€™m with the Strategic Homeland Blah Blah Blah (zzzzzzzz snort)ā€ Who were you talking with? Some government drone from one of the alphabet soup agencies? Okay. ---
**Author:** ![muldoonthief](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/muldoonthief/32/3188_2.png) [@muldoonthief](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/muldoonthief)\ **Post date:** [April 16, 2014, 1:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/captain-america-2-open-spoilers/685289/288 "2014-04-16T13:34:50Z")
> [@RikWriter](#): > > Yeah, the latest episode of Agents of SHIELD kinda skewered the idea that the acronym was a coincidence. Coulson said that he swore an oath to be a shield between extraordinary threats and the innocent people of the world. In the first episode of AoS, Coulson asked Ward ā€œYou are an agent of the Strategic Homeland Intervention, Enforcement and Logistics Division. What does that mean to you?ā€ ā€œThat someone really wanted our initials to spell SHIELD?ā€ ---
**Author:** ![Lasciel](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/e79b87/32.png) [@Lasciel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lasciel)\ **Post date:** [April 16, 2014, 1:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/captain-america-2-open-spoilers/685289/289 "2014-04-16T13:53:32Z")
Iā€™m with DrFidelius here - Coulson is spelling out the name with Pepper because he thinks Pepper is a muggle. The best way to get info is to just rattle the whole damn thing off, and see what happens: 1. you rattle off the spiel and they respond something like Pepper or DrFideliusā€™ example ā€œwow, thatā€™s a long title.ā€ Theyā€™re either a muggle for real, or theyā€™re really good at misdirection. 2. they work out that the acronym is SHIELD, and either theyā€™re really good with words, really smart, or theyā€™re already part of the world that knows about SHIELD. Between casing the person and having their background info available, most times it should be pretty easy to tell which they are from either category. Presumably when Coulson (finally) got into actual contact with Tony, he spelled out the whole deal to explain the concept and attempt Furyā€™s plan to recruit Tony into the Avengers Intiative (Tony failed the stability exams and ended up on ā€œconsultantā€ status, which I find vastly amusing). Between the bits with Pepper in the Iron Mans, and the bit with Agent Ward in the SHIELD tv series, Iā€™m leaning towards Wardā€™s interpretation. Now Iā€™m just waiting to see SWORD. ---
**Author:** ![Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/7cd45c/32.png) [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Elendil_s_Heir)\ **Post date:** [April 16, 2014, 1:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/captain-america-2-open-spoilers/685289/290 "2014-04-16T13:58:38Z")
Yes, quite a bit of TWS was filmed in Cleveland. Furyā€™s car was surrounded and shot up near the Board of Education building. The subsequent chase with Fury and the police cars was on Euclid Avenue approaching Public Square (if you look carefully you can see the Soldiers and Sailors Monument getting bigger and smaller and then bigger again at the end of the street in the distance: [http://www.soldiersandsailors.com/images/SSM.jpg](http://www.soldiersandsailors.com/images/SSM.jpg)). Cap and Natasha were on the escalator at Tower City, a big indoor mall downtown, when they kissed. The secret hideout and dam where they find the not-dead but still-recovering Fury is in Cleveland Heights, I believe. The Winter Soldier yanks the SHIELD turncoat out of their car on the Shoreway; the street battle with the bus resulting in Capā€™s and the othersā€™ capture was on West Third Street, right next to the Justice Center. There are other spots I canā€™t recall off the top of my head. > [@muldoonthief](#): > > In the first episode of AoS, Coulson asked Ward ā€œYou are an agent of the Strategic Homeland Intervention, Enforcement and Logistics Division. What does that mean to you?ā€ > > ā€œThat someone really wanted our initials to spell SHIELD?ā€ I loved that line. ---
**Author:** ![silenus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/silenus/32/166_2.png) [@silenus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/silenus)\ **Post date:** [April 16, 2014, 1:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/captain-america-2-open-spoilers/685289/291 "2014-04-16T13:59:37Z")
> [@Lasciel](#): > > Now Iā€™m just waiting to see SWORD. And Abigail Brand? Sheā€™s a Joss creation, so it would be an easy fit. ---
**Author:** ![Ethilrist](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ethilrist/32/4604_2.png) [@Ethilrist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ethilrist)\ **Post date:** [April 16, 2014, 2:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/captain-america-2-open-spoilers/685289/292 "2014-04-16T14:00:38Z")
Nice try ret-conning SHIELD not looking like doofuses, but Iā€™ve always seen the bits in Iron Man played as ā€œoh, hey, we just noticed thisā€¦ā€ Tony Stark: Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, the guy from theā€¦ Agent Phil Coulson: Strategic Homeland Intervention, Enforcement and Logistics Division. Tony Stark: Whew! God, you really need a new name for that. Agent Phil Coulson: Yeah, I hear that a lot. and Virginia ā€˜Pepperā€™ Potts: Agent Coulson, I just wanted to say thank you very much for all of your help. Agent Phil Coulson: Thatā€™s what we do. Youā€™ll be hearing from us. Virginia ā€˜Pepperā€™ Potts: From the Strategic Homelandā€¦ Agent Phil Coulson: [interrupting] Just call us SHIELD. ---
**Author:** ![muldoonthief](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/muldoonthief/32/3188_2.png) [@muldoonthief](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/muldoonthief)\ **Post date:** [April 16, 2014, 2:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/captain-america-2-open-spoilers/685289/293 "2014-04-16T14:08:35Z")
The ā€œAgent Carterā€ One-Shot established they were already calling it SHIELD back in 1946, when Howard Stark called Carterā€™s boss and told him ā€œTell her sheā€™ll be running SHIELD, with me.ā€ Thatā€™s the first chronological mention of the name. Maybe her new series will show exactly how they came up with it. ---
**Author:** ![Chronos](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chronos/32/134_2.png) [@Chronos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chronos)\ **Post date:** [April 16, 2014, 2:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/captain-america-2-open-spoilers/685289/294 "2014-04-16T14:26:50Z")
Yeah, itā€™s not a matter of SHIELD being doofuses; itā€™s about Coulson, specifically, being a doofus. Or at least, looking like one. ---
**Author:** ![Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/7cd45c/32.png) [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Elendil_s_Heir)\ **Post date:** [April 16, 2014, 2:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/captain-america-2-open-spoilers/685289/295 "2014-04-16T14:31:09Z")
All part of the master planā€¦ ---
**Author:** ![Ethilrist](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ethilrist/32/4604_2.png) [@Ethilrist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ethilrist)\ **Post date:** [April 16, 2014, 3:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/captain-america-2-open-spoilers/685289/296 "2014-04-16T15:04:05Z")
And again, the Agent Carter one-shot was made well AFTER Iron Manā€¦ ---
**Author:** ![DrFidelius](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/drfidelius/32/3447_2.png) [@DrFidelius](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrFidelius)\ **Post date:** [April 16, 2014, 3:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/captain-america-2-open-spoilers/685289/297 "2014-04-16T15:05:29Z")
Remember, we now know a lot more about Coulsonā€™s personality than we did back in Iron Man 1. ---
**Author:** ![muldoonthief](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/muldoonthief/32/3188_2.png) [@muldoonthief](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/muldoonthief)\ **Post date:** [April 16, 2014, 3:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/captain-america-2-open-spoilers/685289/298 "2014-04-16T15:13:53Z")
> [@Ethilrist](#): > > And again, the Agent Carter one-shot was made well AFTER Iron Manā€¦ How about the post-credits scene in Iron Man, when Samuel L. Jackson said ā€œ[Iā€™m] Nick Fury, director of SHIELD.ā€ Are you claiming that Coulson called him up a few hours before and said, ā€œHey, Director Fury, guess what, our initials spell out SHIELD! Isnā€™t that cool?ā€ The reveal was written to be a neat event to give long time comic readers goosebumps - I know it did for me. If youā€™re going to claim that a 60 second scene between a mild mannered agent and a slightly ditzy personal assistant is forever written in stone, with no possible reinterpretations based on later movies, thatā€™s your right. ---
**Author:** ![Ethilrist](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ethilrist/32/4604_2.png) [@Ethilrist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ethilrist)\ **Post date:** [April 16, 2014, 3:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/captain-america-2-open-spoilers/685289/299 "2014-04-16T15:15:16Z")
Yep! He & Nick are tight like that. ---
**Author:** ![Intergalactic\_Gladiator](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/intergalactic_gladiator/32/112_2.png) [@Intergalactic\_Gladiator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Intergalactic_Gladiator)\ **Post date:** [April 16, 2014, 4:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/captain-america-2-open-spoilers/685289/300 "2014-04-16T16:21:56Z")
> [@muldoonthief](#): > > The ā€œAgent Carterā€ One-Shot established they were already calling it SHIELD back in 1946, when Howard Stark called Carterā€™s boss and told him ā€œTell her sheā€™ll be running SHIELD, with me.ā€ Thatā€™s the first chronological mention of the name. Maybe her new series will show exactly how they came up with it. I havenā€™t seen the one-shot yet but this is interesting. Did people use the phrase ā€œhomelandā€ then like we do now? Strategic Homeland Intervention, Enforcement and Logistics Division is supposed to evoke ā€œHomeland security,ā€ imo, which seems post 9/11ish. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/captain-america-2-open-spoilers/685289.md?page=14) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/captain-america-2-open-spoilers/685289.md?page=16)