# Captain America 2 - Open Spoilers **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [April 3, 2014, 9:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/captain-america-2-open-spoilers/685289 "2014-04-03T21:04:59Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 16
**Author:** ![silenus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/silenus/32/166_2.png) [@silenus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/silenus)\ **Post date:** [April 16, 2014, 4:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/captain-america-2-open-spoilers/685289/301 "2014-04-16T16:27:29Z")
Originally it was Supreme Headquarters, International Espionage, Law-Enforcement Division. Then it was Strategic Hazard Intervention Espionage Logistics Directorate. The new meaning is for the MCU. ---
**Author:** ![DrFidelius](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/drfidelius/32/3447_2.png) [@DrFidelius](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrFidelius)\ **Post date:** [April 16, 2014, 4:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/captain-america-2-open-spoilers/685289/302 "2014-04-16T16:28:50Z")
> [@Intergalactic\_Gladiator](#): > > I haven’t seen the one-shot yet but this is interesting. Did people use the phrase “homeland” then like we do now? Strategic Homeland Intervention, Enforcement and Logistics Division is supposed to evoke “Homeland security,” imo, which seems post 9/11ish. In the comics, from 1965 (and I quote Wikipedia) : “The acronym originally stood for Supreme Headquarters, International Espionage, Law-Enforcement Division. It was changed in 1991 to Strategic Hazard Intervention Espionage Logistics Directorate. Within the various films set in the Marvel Cinematic Universe, as well as multiple animated and live-action television series, the acronym stands for Strategic Homeland Intervention, Enforcement, and Logistics Division.[1]” ---
**Author:** ![drastic\_quench](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e36b37/32.png) [@drastic\_quench](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/drastic_quench)\ **Post date:** [April 16, 2014, 4:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/captain-america-2-open-spoilers/685289/303 "2014-04-16T16:29:32Z")
> [@Intergalactic\_Gladiator](#): > > I haven’t seen the one-shot yet but this is interesting. Did people use the phrase “homeland” then like we do now? Strategic Homeland Intervention, Enforcement and Logistics Division is supposed to evoke “Homeland security,” imo, which seems post 9/11ish. It’s always sounded too Soviet for my tastes. ---
**Author:** ![Little\_Nemo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/little_nemo/32/3120_2.png) [@Little\_Nemo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Little_Nemo)\ **Post date:** [April 16, 2014, 5:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/captain-america-2-open-spoilers/685289/304 "2014-04-16T17:06:38Z")
> [@Miller](#): > > I just got back from a second viewing of the movie, and I was thinking of this discussion during this scene. > > Fury makes a hard turn, but not onto a side street - he’s at a four-way intersection when he does it. The police cars are right on his tail, and don’t make the turn. There’s about a three beat pause in the action. Fury looks back and sees that they’re gone, looks up at the HUD on his windshield to try to contact Maria Hill, and then notices that there’s someone standing in the middle of the next intersection. The Winter Soldier isn’t right there when he turns the corner, he’s at least a full city block away - far enough away that Fury’s driving for a few seconds before he even notices that there’s a guy in the middle of the street with a grenade launcher. If the Winter Soldier had been pacing the chase on a parallel street on a motorcycle, there’s plenty of time for him to have reached the next intersection before Fury and ditch the bike. Okay, I was going from memory when I wrote my post. Based on what you saw, the Winter Soldier’s appearance was possible (at least possible within the realm of what’s possible in an action movie). ---
**Author:** ![Jonathan\_Chance](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jonathan_chance/32/701_2.png) [@Jonathan\_Chance](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jonathan_Chance)\ **Post date:** [April 16, 2014, 5:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/captain-america-2-open-spoilers/685289/305 "2014-04-16T17:08:20Z")
> [@DrFidelius](#): > > In the comics, from 1965 (and I quote Wikipedia) : > “The acronym originally stood for Supreme Headquarters, International Espionage, Law-Enforcement Division. It was changed in 1991 to Strategic Hazard Intervention Espionage Logistics Directorate. > Within the various films set in the Marvel Cinematic Universe, as well as multiple animated and live-action television series, the acronym stands for Strategic Homeland Intervention, Enforcement, and Logistics Division.[1]” Again, someone REALLY wants that acronym to spell SHIELD. ---
**Author:** ![Intergalactic\_Gladiator](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/intergalactic_gladiator/32/112_2.png) [@Intergalactic\_Gladiator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Intergalactic_Gladiator)\ **Post date:** [April 16, 2014, 6:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/captain-america-2-open-spoilers/685289/306 "2014-04-16T18:02:51Z")
I know it’s changed over the years but I don’t know why they had to. Supreme Headquarters, International Espionage, Law-Enforcement Division sounds cool to me. ---
**Author:** ![muldoonthief](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/muldoonthief/32/3188_2.png) [@muldoonthief](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/muldoonthief)\ **Post date:** [April 16, 2014, 6:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/captain-america-2-open-spoilers/685289/307 "2014-04-16T18:49:02Z")
> [@Ethilrist](#): > > Yep! He & Nick are tight like that. [Well I will be dipped in dogshit](http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2FxSLxxckZs#t=4m20s). That’s exactly what happened. My apologies. ---
**Author:** ![DrFidelius](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/drfidelius/32/3447_2.png) [@DrFidelius](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrFidelius)\ **Post date:** [April 17, 2014, 1:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/captain-america-2-open-spoilers/685289/308 "2014-04-17T13:35:58Z")
I almost forgot to mention that my Wife and I enjoyed the film very much. Some little points which stick with me: - The armament on the Helicarriers really brought back impressions of WWII battleships. - I thought the Lucasesque setting for the computer core was pretty cool - I understand he was a continuing character from one of the films I have not seen, but Gary Shandling’s portrayal of the banality of evil was brilliant. - HYDRA is usually more subtle than multi-block running gunfights, but I presume that since they anticipated immanent success within a day or so they allowed themselves a bit more visibility. I also must assume they blocked communications for legitimate first responders. - They broke into a secure facility to steal the flight pack off-screen. That’s how cool they are, and how much bigger a threat they are facing than conventional forces could counter. - Lot of Chevys in the film. - They sure did like to drop him from very high places, didn’t they. - Why is it only the Evil Scientists who wear bow ties? - Zola must have a back-up stored somewhere; with current data storage density they might be able to upload him into a mobile unit (with a monitor in its chest). ---
**Author:** ![Ethilrist](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ethilrist/32/4604_2.png) [@Ethilrist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ethilrist)\ **Post date:** [April 17, 2014, 2:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/captain-america-2-open-spoilers/685289/309 "2014-04-17T14:32:04Z")
> [@DrFidelius](#): > > I almost forgot to mention that my Wife and I enjoyed the film very much. > > Some little points which stick with me: > > - They broke into a secure facility to steal the flight pack off-screen. That’s how cool they are, and how much bigger a threat they are facing than conventional forces could counter. My theory is that we’ll be seeing that in the deleted scenes on the DVD… ---
**Author:** ![silenus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/silenus/32/166_2.png) [@silenus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/silenus)\ **Post date:** [April 17, 2014, 2:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/captain-america-2-open-spoilers/685289/310 "2014-04-17T14:36:22Z")
I don’t think so. Our Heroes are too cool. 😉 My wife is certain that Zola is still around. He wouldn’t suicide just to keep Steve and Natasha busy so they could get IRBMed. He’s backed up somewhere. ---
**Author:** ![Ethilrist](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ethilrist/32/4604_2.png) [@Ethilrist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ethilrist)\ **Post date:** [April 17, 2014, 3:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/captain-america-2-open-spoilers/685289/311 "2014-04-17T15:08:11Z")
That’s a lot of paper tape. ---
**Author:** ![Chronos](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chronos/32/134_2.png) [@Chronos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chronos)\ **Post date:** [April 17, 2014, 4:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/captain-america-2-open-spoilers/685289/312 "2014-04-17T16:04:39Z")
(Hm, guess I didn’t actually post before after all) Didn’t Zola actually say how many feet of tape his mind was stored on? It shouldn’t be too hard to convert that to megabytes. ---
**Author:** ![Lasciel](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/e79b87/32.png) [@Lasciel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lasciel)\ **Post date:** [April 17, 2014, 4:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/captain-america-2-open-spoilers/685289/313 "2014-04-17T16:07:47Z")
> [@DrFidelius](#): > > I almost forgot to mention that my Wife and I enjoyed the film very much. > > Some little points > > - Why is it only the Evil Scientists who wear bow ties? > - Zola must have a back-up stored somewhere; with current data storage density they might be able to upload him into a mobile unit (with a monitor in its chest). Hey! I got that reference! 😃 ---
**Author:** ![Jonathan\_Chance](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jonathan_chance/32/701_2.png) [@Jonathan\_Chance](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jonathan_Chance)\ **Post date:** [April 17, 2014, 4:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/captain-america-2-open-spoilers/685289/314 "2014-04-17T16:19:55Z")
> [@Chronos](#): > > (Hm, guess I didn’t actually post before after all) > Didn’t Zola actually say how many feet of tape his mind was stored on? It shouldn’t be too hard to convert that to megabytes. 200,000, I believe. ---
**Author:** ![simster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/simster/32/1047_2.png) [@simster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/simster)\ **Post date:** [April 17, 2014, 4:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/captain-america-2-open-spoilers/685289/315 "2014-04-17T16:51:25Z")
> [@Jonathan\_Chance](#): > > 200,000, I believe. So - about the size of a thumb drive - inserted into a random USB port… hmmmm… ---
**Author:** ![silenus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/silenus/32/166_2.png) [@silenus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/silenus)\ **Post date:** [April 17, 2014, 4:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/captain-america-2-open-spoilers/685289/316 "2014-04-17T16:53:07Z")
If so, then at maximum density his personality takes up 11.393 gigabytes of storage. ---
**Author:** ![FlyingDragonFan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/c89c15/32.png) [@FlyingDragonFan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FlyingDragonFan)\ **Post date:** [April 17, 2014, 6:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/captain-america-2-open-spoilers/685289/317 "2014-04-17T18:05:58Z")
> [@Intergalactic\_Gladiator](#): > > I know it’s changed over the years but I don’t know why they had to. Supreme Headquarters, International Espionage, Law-Enforcement Division sounds cool to me. I’d say “Supreme” is a little too comicy sounding for a modern military organization. ---
**Author:** ![DrFidelius](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/drfidelius/32/3447_2.png) [@DrFidelius](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrFidelius)\ **Post date:** [April 17, 2014, 7:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/captain-america-2-open-spoilers/685289/318 "2014-04-17T19:22:51Z")
> [@FlyingDragonFan](#): > > I’d say “Supreme” is a little too comicy sounding for a modern military organization. “Supreme Headquarters” sounded fine in the '60s to men who had been in The War. Supreme Headquarters Allied Expeditionary Force (SHAEF) was where Ike worked after Operation Overlord. It sounds almost quaint today. ---
**Author:** ![JRDelirious](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jrdelirious/32/9531_2.png) [@JRDelirious](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JRDelirious)\ **Post date:** [April 17, 2014, 7:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/captain-america-2-open-spoilers/685289/319 "2014-04-17T19:33:17Z")
> [@DrFidelius](#): > > “Supreme Headquarters” sounded fine in the '60s to men who had been in The War. Supreme Headquarters Allied Expeditionary Force (SHAEF) was where Ike worked after Operation Overlord. > > It sounds almost quaint today. And it still exists in today’s NATO as Supreme Headquarters, Allied Powers, Europe (SHAPE) and the Supreme Allied Commander, Europe (SACEUR). Just that it does not really make sense for\* the organization itself \*to be called “Supreme Headquarters”. ---
**Author:** ![Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/7cd45c/32.png) [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Elendil_s_Heir)\ **Post date:** [April 17, 2014, 7:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/captain-america-2-open-spoilers/685289/320 "2014-04-17T19:36:12Z")
> [@DrFidelius](#): > > “Supreme Headquarters” sounded fine in the '60s to men who had been in The War. Supreme Headquarters Allied Expeditionary Force (SHAEF) was where Ike worked after Operation Overlord… Even before: [Supreme Headquarters Allied Expeditionary Force - Wikipedia](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SHAEF). The top NATO military command still uses the word “Supreme”: [Supreme Headquarters Allied Powers Europe - Wikipedia](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Supreme_Headquarters_Allied_Powers_Europe) [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/captain-america-2-open-spoilers/685289.md?page=15) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/captain-america-2-open-spoilers/685289.md?page=17)