# Captain America 2 - Open Spoilers **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [April 3, 2014, 9:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/captain-america-2-open-spoilers/685289 "2014-04-03T21:04:59Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 18
**Author:** ![MrDibble](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mrdibble/32/114_2.png) [@MrDibble](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MrDibble)\ **Post date:** [April 22, 2014, 9:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/captain-america-2-open-spoilers/685289/341 "2014-04-22T09:52:17Z")
The other Council members… …was Fury flying that helicopter himself, I think he was. ---
**Author:** ![Ethilrist](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ethilrist/32/4604_2.png) [@Ethilrist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ethilrist)\ **Post date:** [April 22, 2014, 12:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/captain-america-2-open-spoilers/685289/342 "2014-04-22T12:19:43Z")
> [@MrDibble](#): > > That doctor who was treating him in the Dam base… Probably a half-dozen nurses, anesthesiologists, whoever cleans his room… seriously, by the end of the movie, dozens of people knew he was still alive. ---
**Author:** ![Ethilrist](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ethilrist/32/4604_2.png) [@Ethilrist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ethilrist)\ **Post date:** [April 22, 2014, 12:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/captain-america-2-open-spoilers/685289/343 "2014-04-22T12:20:44Z")
> [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](#): > > The big red letters weren’t enough to get you to lift your eyeballs, were they? Homer Simpson: I’ve made my choice. ---
**Author:** ![Intergalactic\_Gladiator](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/intergalactic_gladiator/32/112_2.png) [@Intergalactic\_Gladiator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Intergalactic_Gladiator)\ **Post date:** [April 22, 2014, 12:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/captain-america-2-open-spoilers/685289/344 "2014-04-22T12:49:50Z")
> [@bienville](#): > > She doesn’t look like a sexy woman, she looks like a sex doll. I think you’re confusing her with Megan Fox. ---
**Author:** ![Sir\_T-Cups](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ed655f/32.png) [@Sir\_T-Cups](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sir_T-Cups)\ **Post date:** [April 22, 2014, 1:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/captain-america-2-open-spoilers/685289/345 "2014-04-22T13:40:14Z")
> [@Intergalactic\_Gladiator](#): > > I think you’re confusing her with Megan Fox. They’re the same person. Just one of them is blonde. ---
**Author:** ![Lightray](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lightray/32/391_2.png) [@Lightray](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lightray)\ **Post date:** [April 22, 2014, 2:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/captain-america-2-open-spoilers/685289/346 "2014-04-22T14:06:29Z")
> [@MrDibble](#): > > The other Council members… > > …was Fury flying that helicopter himself, I think he was. All dead (excepting Jenny, presumably). Redford nametag’d them to death. And Fury was flying the helicopter himself. ---
**Author:** ![AndrewL](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/3d9bf3/32.png) [@AndrewL](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AndrewL)\ **Post date:** [April 22, 2014, 2:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/captain-america-2-open-spoilers/685289/347 "2014-04-22T14:06:31Z")
> [@silenus](#): > > If so, then at maximum density his personality takes up 11.393 gigabytes of storage. I figured that Zola was actually on the thumbdrive, and that the gigantic room full of ancient computers was just the equivalent of a graphics card to run the video screens. ---
**Author:** ![silenus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/silenus/32/166_2.png) [@silenus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/silenus)\ **Post date:** [April 22, 2014, 2:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/captain-america-2-open-spoilers/685289/348 "2014-04-22T14:20:13Z")
> [@Lightray](#): > > All dead (excepting Jenny, presumably). Redford nametag’d them to death. And Fury was flying the helicopter himself. That would be a nice touch for _Agents of SHIELD_. Have Jenny guest-star at the start of next season as the Council member trying to keep SHIELD going and active. ---
**Author:** ![Chronos](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chronos/32/134_2.png) [@Chronos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chronos)\ **Post date:** [April 22, 2014, 2:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/captain-america-2-open-spoilers/685289/349 "2014-04-22T14:20:38Z")
Scarlett Johannson is way sexier than Megan Fox, and a better actress to boot. And while that Vanity Fair cover is nice, I agree that it really doesn’t do her justice. But that’s probably mostly the fault of the magazine photo retouchers, not Johannson. ---
**Author:** ![MrDibble](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mrdibble/32/114_2.png) [@MrDibble](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MrDibble)\ **Post date:** [April 22, 2014, 2:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/captain-america-2-open-spoilers/685289/350 "2014-04-22T14:42:43Z")
> [@Lightray](#): > > All dead (excepting Jenny, presumably). Redford nametag’d them to death. And Fury was flying the helicopter himself. Shit, that’s right, I forgot that. ---
**Author:** ![MrDibble](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mrdibble/32/114_2.png) [@MrDibble](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MrDibble)\ **Post date:** [April 22, 2014, 2:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/captain-america-2-open-spoilers/685289/351 "2014-04-22T14:44:33Z")
> [@AndrewL](#): > > I figured that Zola was actually on the thumbdrive, and that the gigantic room full of ancient computers was just the equivalent of a graphics card to run the video screens. Which would mean he’s also on a satellite, no? Has the theory that _Zola_ is the Clairvoyant been discussed much, BTW? ---
**Author:** ![Debaser](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/3da27b/32.png) [@Debaser](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Debaser)\ **Post date:** [April 22, 2014, 3:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/captain-america-2-open-spoilers/685289/352 "2014-04-22T15:02:22Z")
I liked it. But it was over-hyped. Several people told me prior to seeing it that it was the best comic book ever. That it set a new bar that no one would ever meet. That’s overstating things. What I liked: The Fury vs fake cops shootout in his SUV. Great stuff. I expected the car to fly, but not that way! The SHIELD civil war. I didn’t think they’d show that many “good” SHIELD people getting gunned down basically helplessly. In the control room or the pilots. Speaking of dying pilots. The Winter Soldier really likes breaking things. He was great, in all respects. The bad: Gary Shandling added no value to the movie. He should have been edited out to save time. Even if you did that, the movie was too long. I know, it’s not abnormally long by movie standards. But it had a simple plot, and not too many characters. This isn’t the Avengers. It should have been shorter. The ending was perilously close to being a LOTR style never ending. It could have cut with Captain being dragged out of the muck by Bucky and that would have been fine. The chatting by the gravestone and burning of Fury’s passports was a waste of time. ---
**Author:** ![silenus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/silenus/32/166_2.png) [@silenus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/silenus)\ **Post date:** [April 22, 2014, 3:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/captain-america-2-open-spoilers/685289/353 "2014-04-22T15:07:35Z")
> [@Debaser](#): > > The bad: > > Gary Shandling added no value to the movie. He should have been edited out to save time. > > Even if you did that, the movie was too long. I know, it’s not abnormally long by movie standards. But it had a simple plot, and not too many characters. This isn’t the Avengers. It should have been shorter. > > The ending was perilously close to being a LOTR style never ending. It could have cut with Captain being dragged out of the muck by Bucky and that would have been fine. The chatting by the gravestone and burning of Fury’s passports was a waste of time. The Senator getting his was closure for _Iron Man 2_. Although they could have cut his main scene completely and just shown him getting arrested at the end. Agree completely. It should have been about 18 minutes shorter. The chat and Fury’s departure set up the next set of movies. Necessary exposition, IMO. ---
**Author:** ![Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/7cd45c/32.png) [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Elendil_s_Heir)\ **Post date:** [April 22, 2014, 3:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/captain-america-2-open-spoilers/685289/354 "2014-04-22T15:37:35Z")
I agree as to the ending, **silenus**. But I thought the whole movie was well-paced and not overlong. ---
**Author:** ![bienville](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/4bbf92/32.png) [@bienville](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bienville)\ **Post date:** [April 22, 2014, 3:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/captain-america-2-open-spoilers/685289/355 "2014-04-22T15:39:07Z")
> [@Chronos](#): > > And while that Vanity Fair cover is nice, I agree that it really doesn’t do her justice. But that’s probably mostly the fault of the magazine photo retouchers, not Johannson. Nope. She trots out the same stupid cartoonish “Sexy” bag of tricks for every one of her “Sexy” photoshoots. Let me reassert that I do think that Johansson _is_ a beautiful and sexy woman. In candid photos she is beautiful and sexy. In interviews she is beautiful and sexy. In her film performances she is beautiful and sexy. But when she does a “Sexy” photoshoot, she looks retarded. And I _mean_ retarded. She looks like she needs an inclusion facilitator to help her play nice with the other kids and to make sure she doesn’t set fire to the toy box. She looks like she might wander into traffic or put a fork into an electrical outlet. Vapid eyes, blowjob lips, and cartoonish poses. She plays a very limited range when asked to be sexy for the camera and she always comes off looking like she’s trying way too hard. [Stupid Sexy Johansson!](http://www.vidigy.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/11/Scarlett_Johansson_1110_08.jpg) [Stupid Sexy Johansson!](http://ts2.mm.bing.net/th?id=HN.607999277096831564&pid=1.7) [Stupid Sexy Johansson!](http://chickstyle.files.wordpress.com/2012/01/scarlett-johansson_1.jpg) [Stupid Sexy Johansson!](http://media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/736x/b2/7c/8f/b27c8fd2f6ee32f22167984790067e8e.jpg) [Stupid Sexy Johansson!](http://www.leblogdusniper.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/04/Scarlett_Johansson_Glamorous_1680-x-1050-widescreen.jpg) [Stupid Sexy Johansson!](http://ts4.mm.bing.net/th?id=HN.608040036342304052&pid=1.7) ---
**Author:** ![silenus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/silenus/32/166_2.png) [@silenus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/silenus)\ **Post date:** [April 22, 2014, 3:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/captain-america-2-open-spoilers/685289/356 "2014-04-22T15:42:55Z")
In general, I found the pacing fine. But I thought both the Falcon vs aircraft and Cap vs Bucky end fight went on too long. They could have tightened both with some judicious editing. That and the previous cut I mentioned would have gotten most of the 18 minutes I cited. But that’s just a personal opinion. Otherwise I thought the movie was great. ---
**Author:** ![RikWriter](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/49beb7/32.png) [@RikWriter](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RikWriter)\ **Post date:** [April 22, 2014, 4:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/captain-america-2-open-spoilers/685289/357 "2014-04-22T16:27:17Z")
> [@Debaser](#): > > I liked it. But it was over-hyped. Several people told me prior to seeing it that it was the best comic book ever. That it set a new bar that no one would ever meet. > > That’s overstating things. Not in my opinion. The people who told you those things were correct IMHO. ---
**Author:** ![Chronos](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chronos/32/134_2.png) [@Chronos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chronos)\ **Post date:** [April 22, 2014, 4:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/captain-america-2-open-spoilers/685289/358 "2014-04-22T16:38:24Z")
> [@](#): > > Quoth **bienville** : > > Nope. She trots out the same stupid cartoonish “Sexy” bag of tricks for every one of her “Sexy” photoshoots. And “sexy” photoshoots all use the same stupid retouching techniques. Yeah, she might be doing stupid poses and gestures, too, but dollars to donuts that she’s doing them because the photographers are telling her to. The fact that she _doesn’t_ do all those stupid things when she’s not doing a “sexy” photoshoot tells me that they’re not her idea. And _Captain America 2_ was certainly a good movie, but I have a hard time saying that it was better than _The Avengers_. I’d say it was probably the third best superhero movie, after _The Avengers_ and _The Incredibles_. Maybe fourth, after _The Dark Knight_. ---
**Author:** ![simster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/simster/32/1047_2.png) [@simster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/simster)\ **Post date:** [April 22, 2014, 4:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/captain-america-2-open-spoilers/685289/359 "2014-04-22T16:49:36Z")
> [@bienville](#): > > [Stupid Sexy Johansson!](http://www.vidigy.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/11/Scarlett_Johansson_1110_08.jpg) My favorite! ---
**Author:** ![MrDibble](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mrdibble/32/114_2.png) [@MrDibble](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MrDibble)\ **Post date:** [April 24, 2014, 11:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/captain-america-2-open-spoilers/685289/360 "2014-04-24T11:47:30Z")
I’m afraid I don’t see **bienville** ’s case. She looks hot in all those shots - except the broken one, of course. I _agree_ she’s hotter in action, but the fashion photos work for me as well…she mostly looks arrogant/proud not vapid, IMO. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/captain-america-2-open-spoilers/685289.md?page=17) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/captain-america-2-open-spoilers/685289.md?page=19)