# Captain America 2 - Open Spoilers **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [April 3, 2014, 9:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/captain-america-2-open-spoilers/685289 "2014-04-03T21:04:59Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 8
**Author:** ![Inner\_Stickler](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/inner_stickler/32/318_2.png) [@Inner\_Stickler](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Inner_Stickler)\ **Post date:** [April 7, 2014, 6:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/captain-america-2-open-spoilers/685289/141 "2014-04-07T18:22:17Z")
They can damage everything on the car except the AC and you don’t accept that they can remotely kajigger the GPS to reroute Fury to Plan B? ---
**Author:** ![Little\_Nemo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/little_nemo/32/3120_2.png) [@Little\_Nemo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Little_Nemo)\ **Post date:** [April 7, 2014, 6:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/captain-america-2-open-spoilers/685289/142 "2014-04-07T18:22:21Z")
> [@Intergalactic\_Gladiator](#): > > And boy was this movie loaded. It had so many characters but the groundwork has already been in the works for everyone to be there, so it didn’t feel out of place. I liked seeing the Falcon added and name checking Strange, Banner, and Starks added to the interlocking universe that these characters share. This really is one of Marvel’s strengths in these movies. I just worry that it’s reaching the point of overload. The Marvel universe itself has so many heroes you can’t build any plausible sense of danger. Once a crisis reaches a certain size, you just should throw superheroes at it until it’s defeated. If five superheroes don’t work, throw in ten. If ten doesn’t do it, throw in twenty or fifty or a hundred. We’re already seeing hints of this in the movie version with people asking why Iron Man didn’t go to London in Thor 2 and Iron Patriot didn’t fight in The Avengers and Hawkeye didn’t show up in Captain America 2. You want to keep the total number of superheroes limited enough that you can still use them all and not have to explain why some of them are sitting out a battle. ---
**Author:** ![Little\_Nemo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/little_nemo/32/3120_2.png) [@Little\_Nemo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Little_Nemo)\ **Post date:** [April 7, 2014, 6:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/captain-america-2-open-spoilers/685289/143 "2014-04-07T18:24:49Z")
> [@Inner\_Stickler](#): > > They can damage everything on the car except the AC and you don’t accept that they can remotely kajigger the GPS to reroute Fury to Plan B? If they had gained control of Fury’s car, why not just stop him in the street and unlock all the doors? Or drive him by remote control to their secret headquarters? I think we should assume Fury’s car computer was not hacked. ---
**Author:** ![Inner\_Stickler](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/inner_stickler/32/318_2.png) [@Inner\_Stickler](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Inner_Stickler)\ **Post date:** [April 7, 2014, 6:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/captain-america-2-open-spoilers/685289/144 "2014-04-07T18:26:42Z")
In that case, they have a garmin too. ---
**Author:** ![simster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/simster/32/1047_2.png) [@simster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/simster)\ **Post date:** [April 7, 2014, 6:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/captain-america-2-open-spoilers/685289/145 "2014-04-07T18:33:00Z")
> [@Little\_Nemo](#): > > If they had gained control of Fury’s car, why not just stop him in the street and unlock all the doors? Or drive him by remote control to their secret headquarters? I think we should assume Fury’s car computer was not hacked. Didn’t have to hack the computer in the car - just the GPS ‘routing’ that the computer relayed. ---
**Author:** ![Intergalactic\_Gladiator](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/intergalactic_gladiator/32/112_2.png) [@Intergalactic\_Gladiator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Intergalactic_Gladiator)\ **Post date:** [April 7, 2014, 6:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/captain-america-2-open-spoilers/685289/146 "2014-04-07T18:41:42Z")
> [@Little\_Nemo](#): > > I just worry that it’s reaching the point of overload. The Marvel universe itself has so many heroes you can’t build any plausible sense of danger. Once a crisis reaches a certain size, you just should throw superheroes at it until it’s defeated. If five superheroes don’t work, throw in ten. If ten doesn’t do it, throw in twenty or fifty or a hundred. > > We’re already seeing hints of this in the movie version with people asking why Iron Man didn’t go to London in Thor 2 and Iron Patriot didn’t fight in The Avengers and Hawkeye didn’t show up in Captain America 2. You want to keep the total number of superheroes limited enough that you can still use them all and not have to explain why some of them are sitting out a battle. Yeah there may come a time where it gets overloaded (and it may come fast the way Marvel’s cranking out the characters) but I can’t get worked up over not seeing Iron Man show up in Captain America’s adventure. One of the staples of comic book fiction is that each hero has adventures in their titles that doesn’t need spillover with other heroes. Of course there are teamups and big events and super teams, but Captain America doesn’t show up at Stark Industries every other week because Whiplash is at it again. ---
**Author:** ![Andy\_L](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/c67d28/32.png) [@Andy\_L](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Andy_L)\ **Post date:** [April 7, 2014, 7:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/captain-america-2-open-spoilers/685289/147 "2014-04-07T19:10:19Z")
Question - who played the Hydra leader in charge of the helicarriers (the one who was eagerly awaiting the targetting count to complete)? He looked familiar but I couldn’t find a likely name for the character in the IMDB listing (and no actor name jumped out at me). ---
**Author:** ![Miller](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/miller/32/481_2.png) [@Miller](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Miller)\ **Post date:** [April 7, 2014, 8:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/captain-america-2-open-spoilers/685289/148 "2014-04-07T20:08:26Z")
> [@Little\_Nemo](#): > > So how did the Winter Soldier know that Fury was going to turn on to that particular street. Fury himself hadn’t planned it. I just suggested three ways. 😕 ---
**Author:** ![Bakhesh](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/3da27b/32.png) [@Bakhesh](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bakhesh)\ **Post date:** [April 7, 2014, 8:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/captain-america-2-open-spoilers/685289/149 "2014-04-07T20:27:45Z")
> [@Little\_Nemo](#): > > I could accept this if the Winter Soldier had been waiting on the same street where the chase was going on. All he would have had to do then is go farther down the street and wait for the chase to get to him. > > But that’s not what happened. Fury and the chase vehicles were going down the street and then Fury turned a corner to get away. And the Winter Soldier was standing there waiting for him on that side street. > > So how did the Winter Soldier know that Fury was going to turn on to that particular street. Fury himself hadn’t planned it. The other streets had been covered by Spring Soldier, Summer Soldier and Autumn Soldier ---
**Author:** ![Zsofia](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/7bcc69/32.png) [@Zsofia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Zsofia)\ **Post date:** [April 7, 2014, 8:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/captain-america-2-open-spoilers/685289/150 "2014-04-07T20:33:26Z")
I figured Hawkeye is one of the agents who are now having a Very Bad Day because Black Widow went and blew _everybody’s cover_. ---
**Author:** ![Inner\_Stickler](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/inner_stickler/32/318_2.png) [@Inner\_Stickler](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Inner_Stickler)\ **Post date:** [April 7, 2014, 8:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/captain-america-2-open-spoilers/685289/151 "2014-04-07T20:43:03Z")
If Cap and Natalya were originally just planning to decrypt the flash drive, why’d they have to go to an apple store to give themselves anonymity? Why not simply use a laptop or computer that’s not internet capable? ---
**Author:** ![RikWriter](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/49beb7/32.png) [@RikWriter](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RikWriter)\ **Post date:** [April 7, 2014, 8:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/captain-america-2-open-spoilers/685289/152 "2014-04-07T20:50:21Z")
> [@Inner\_Stickler](#): > > If Cap and Natalya were originally just planning to decrypt the flash drive, why’d they have to go to an apple store to give themselves anonymity? Why not simply use a laptop or computer that’s not internet capable? 1)It’s funnier 2)It’s product placement 3)They didn’t have one handy. ---
**Author:** ![Arcite](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/67e7ee/32.png) [@Arcite](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Arcite)\ **Post date:** [April 7, 2014, 8:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/captain-america-2-open-spoilers/685289/153 "2014-04-07T20:53:18Z")
> [@Inner\_Stickler](#): > > If Cap and Natalya were originally just planning to decrypt the flash drive, why’d they have to go to an apple store to give themselves anonymity? Why not simply use a laptop or computer that’s not internet capable? I’d assume tracking the flash drive doesn’t depend on its being plugged into a networked computer; it somehow has a tracking system built in and is thus trackable whenever it’s powered. In that case, the mall setting gives them the protection of being in a crowded public place. Unrealistic, yes, but so is a spy satellite than can “read a terrorist’s DNA before he steps outside” or whatever that line was. ---
**Author:** ![Astral\_Rejection](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/258eb7/32.png) [@Astral\_Rejection](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Astral_Rejection)\ **Post date:** [April 7, 2014, 8:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/captain-america-2-open-spoilers/685289/154 "2014-04-07T20:58:42Z")
I took that line as general bragging for effect. I remember when high-speed internet lines were becoming available, and people would joke that it loaded the website before you clicked the hyperlink. Nobody actually thought it did that, it was just a fun exaggeration to explain how fast/effective it was. ---
**Author:** ![silenus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/silenus/32/166_2.png) [@silenus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/silenus)\ **Post date:** [April 7, 2014, 9:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/captain-america-2-open-spoilers/685289/155 "2014-04-07T21:01:39Z")
Speaking of Hawkeye, did everybody notice Natasha’s necklace? ---
**Author:** ![Little\_Nemo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/little_nemo/32/3120_2.png) [@Little\_Nemo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Little_Nemo)\ **Post date:** [April 7, 2014, 10:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/captain-america-2-open-spoilers/685289/156 "2014-04-07T22:56:01Z")
> [@Bakhesh](#): > > The other streets had been covered by Spring Soldier, Summer Soldier and Autumn Soldier No, they had set up the Autumn Soldier in case the real cops showed up. He was going to be the fall guy. ---
**Author:** ![DZedNConfused](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dzednconfused/32/15991_2.png) [@DZedNConfused](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DZedNConfused)\ **Post date:** [April 7, 2014, 11:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/captain-america-2-open-spoilers/685289/157 "2014-04-07T23:07:17Z")
> [@silenus](#): > > Speaking of Hawkeye, did everybody notice Natasha’s necklace? An arrow yes And speaking of product placement, it’s AMAZING how many Chevys were on the road… ---
**Author:** ![Little\_Nemo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/little_nemo/32/3120_2.png) [@Little\_Nemo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Little_Nemo)\ **Post date:** [April 7, 2014, 11:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/captain-america-2-open-spoilers/685289/158 "2014-04-07T23:10:15Z")
> [@Miller](#): > > I just suggested three ways. 😕 And I was explaining why I didn’t think those ways would work. I don’t have the movie in front on me but as I recall, Fury turned the corner and the Winter Soldier was already there - he had picked his spot _before_ Fury made the turn. So travelling by helicopter or motorcycle or rooftops wouldn’t account for what happened. And I explained why I don’t think Fury’s computer had been compromised. The real explanation is the obvious one. The Winter Soldier knew where to stand because the Russo brothers told him. And they told Nick Fury where to turn. The scene was designed to look cool on camera and it succeeded. But the next day, you can think about it and go “wait a minute…” ---
**Author:** ![galen\_ubal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/galen_ubal/32/4440_2.png) [@galen\_ubal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/galen_ubal)\ **Post date:** [April 7, 2014, 11:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/captain-america-2-open-spoilers/685289/159 "2014-04-07T23:12:25Z")
> [@Andy\_L](#): > > Question - who played the Hydra leader in charge of the helicarriers (the one who was eagerly awaiting the targetting count to complete)? He looked familiar but I couldn’t find a likely name for the character in the IMDB listing (and no actor name jumped out at me). He was the XO of the ship (Executive Officer), and was played by [Jon Sklaroff](http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0804471/?ref_=ttfc_fc_cl_t38). Yah, he seemed familiar to me, too - he’s one of “that guy” who has appeared in just about everything. ---
**Author:** ![Intergalactic\_Gladiator](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/intergalactic_gladiator/32/112_2.png) [@Intergalactic\_Gladiator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Intergalactic_Gladiator)\ **Post date:** [April 7, 2014, 11:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/captain-america-2-open-spoilers/685289/160 "2014-04-07T23:27:45Z")
> [@Little\_Nemo](#): > > No, they had set up the Autumn Soldier in case the real cops showed up. He was going to be the fall guy. Boooo! [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/captain-america-2-open-spoilers/685289.md?page=7) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/captain-america-2-open-spoilers/685289.md?page=9)