# Captain America 2 - Open Spoilers **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [April 3, 2014, 9:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/captain-america-2-open-spoilers/685289 "2014-04-03T21:04:59Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 9
**Author:** ![Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/7cd45c/32.png) [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Elendil_s_Heir)\ **Post date:** [April 7, 2014, 11:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/captain-america-2-open-spoilers/685289/161 "2014-04-07T23:45:27Z")
> [@Bakhesh](#): > > The other streets had been covered by Spring Soldier, Summer Soldier and Autumn Soldier Yes, while Indian Summer Soldier was sipping apple cider and reading a book in a nearby park. ---
**Author:** ![El\_Kabong](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/el_kabong/32/496_2.png) [@El\_Kabong](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/El_Kabong)\ **Post date:** [April 8, 2014, 12:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/captain-america-2-open-spoilers/685289/162 "2014-04-08T00:58:01Z")
> [@DZedNConfused](#): > > An arrow yes > > And speaking of product placement, it’s AMAZING how many Chevys were on the road… Yeah, actually I noticed that everybody was driving Chevys , but whenever they were running around in the street being fired upon, they were hiding behind Fords, whatever that may mean. Saw the film last night and thoroughly enjoyed it, although very little of the plot makes any sense if one gives it even a moment’s thought. No matter, the grafting on of a '70s political-thriller storyline gave it an unexpected weight. That, and it was a hoot to see Redford in something like this, even if his performance wasn’t exactly a standout. Also, from a personal standpoint, I loved the '60s S.H.I.E.L.D comics, with their endless variations on the machinations of HYDRA, and IMO this film really captured that particular ambience. Also also, helicarriers are my one of my all-time favorite fictional weapons systems and they were really well done here. ---
**Author:** ![levdrakon](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/49beb7/32.png) [@levdrakon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/levdrakon)\ **Post date:** [April 8, 2014, 1:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/captain-america-2-open-spoilers/685289/163 "2014-04-08T01:50:55Z")
In _Avengers_, Natasha Romanova had an ability to read people that was for all intents and purposes a psychic super power. I’m surprised she was taken by surprise by all these Hydra agents within Shield. ---
**Author:** ![Little\_Nemo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/little_nemo/32/3120_2.png) [@Little\_Nemo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Little_Nemo)\ **Post date:** [April 8, 2014, 3:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/captain-america-2-open-spoilers/685289/164 "2014-04-08T03:19:31Z")
> [@levdrakon](#): > > In _Avengers_, Natasha Romanova had an ability to read people that was for all intents and purposes a psychic super power. I’m surprised she was taken by surprise by all these Hydra agents within Shield. They sort of alluded to that. After she left her Russian agency (she said KGB in the movie but that isn’t really possible) she joined SHIELD. She wanted to believe SHIELD represented something better than the KGB had. So she was willfully blind to the evidence of evil in the organization. ---
**Author:** ![Ranchoth](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ranchoth/32/1066_2.png) [@Ranchoth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ranchoth)\ **Post date:** [April 8, 2014, 5:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/captain-america-2-open-spoilers/685289/165 "2014-04-08T05:21:20Z")
> [@Captain America 2](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/captain-america-2/672131/81): > > Saw it Saturday with a military audience, which was fun. Is it just me or did the movie not put nearly enough thought into the repercussions of the ending? > > [spoiler]What about all the undercover agents who just got un-undercovered? The other agencies whose secrets just all got blown? The other _countries_ whose secrets just all got blown? Sorry, honey, but Black Widow wouldn’t be alive long enough to testify after this shitstorm! And then everybody just… goes to work for other people? Like the CIA isn’t full of Hydra, Sharon? I know we just had a “who watches the watchmen” problem but the answer is not to take a job in Stark HR, Maria! > > Kind of felt all along that the movie thought it was raising Important Questions but really just shouting platitudes past itself (most notably in that scene between Cap and Fury with The Plan) and certainly didn’t offer up any proposed solutions, by any character. > > I mean, it was fun and all, but.[/spoiler] I gotta say…I agree. I probably would take it farther than that. Don’t get me wrong, this was an _entertaining_ movie. _Beautifully_ produced… [spoiler]…and I was getting X-Files flashbacks about halfway through. And not in the good way. I thought it was increasingly preachy, hamfisted, not nearly as smart as it thought it was—frankly, outright Godwinny—and quite eager to throw a big chunk of movie universe under the bus to score some story points, logic or long-term planning be damned. …actually it reminded me a bit of the “[Superman At Earth’s End](http://blip.tv/at4w/at4w-superman-at-earth-s-end-1613752)” comic. Where Adolf Hitler’s twin post-apocalyptic clones (!) are apparently blamed for all of humanity’s ills and wars. All of them. No, they’re not time travelers or wizards or anything. Assuming some subtle nuance didn’t escape the transition from page to video, that particular comic makes Bay’s _Pearl Harbor_ look like _World at War_.[/spoiler] Bah…maybe I just needed to vent, a little. Like a cranky little teapot. But this (breathtaking to watch) movie irritated me. And I can’t help but wonder how well it’s going to age…but then, I’m sure I’m in the grotesque minority, on both viewpoints, worldwide. ☹ (Maybe we can all get together, to commiserate, like when this movie rakes in it’s first billion. We could probably split one of those little frozen cheesecakes, one slice per continent.) ---
**Author:** ![Andy\_L](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/c67d28/32.png) [@Andy\_L](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Andy_L)\ **Post date:** [April 8, 2014, 11:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/captain-america-2-open-spoilers/685289/166 "2014-04-08T11:45:26Z")
> [@galen\_ubal](#): > > He was the XO of the ship (Executive Officer), and was played by [Jon Sklaroff](http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0804471/?ref_=ttfc_fc_cl_t38). > Yah, he seemed familiar to me, too - he’s one of “that guy” who has appeared in just about everything. Thanks! ---
**Author:** ![Arcite](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/67e7ee/32.png) [@Arcite](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Arcite)\ **Post date:** [April 8, 2014, 5:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/captain-america-2-open-spoilers/685289/167 "2014-04-08T17:27:56Z")
> [@Astral\_Rejection](#): > > I took that line as general bragging for effect. I remember when high-speed internet lines were becoming available, and people would joke that it loaded the website before you clicked the hyperlink. Nobody actually thought it did that, it was just a fun exaggeration to explain how fast/effective it was. Well, then, pick digitizing the contents of a man’s brain and turning his mind into an AI using 1970’s technology, a digital-ink face mask that can make your face look like someone else’s with 100% accuracy, a 110-pound woman defeating a gang of 220-pound men in hand-to-hand combat, or any of the countless other technically impossible things presented in this and every other superhero movie. ---
**Author:** ![Bakhesh](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/3da27b/32.png) [@Bakhesh](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bakhesh)\ **Post date:** [April 8, 2014, 5:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/captain-america-2-open-spoilers/685289/168 "2014-04-08T17:38:02Z")
> [@Arcite](#): > > Well, then, pick digitizing the contents of a man’s brain and turning his mind into an AI using 1970’s technology, a digital-ink face mask that can make your face look like someone else’s with 100% accuracy, a 110-pound woman defeating a gang of 220-pound men in hand-to-hand combat, or any of the countless other technically impossible things presented in this and every other superhero movie. The Marvel universe is not this universe. They have had advanced tech kicking around for decades (ie see Cap 1). ---
**Author:** ![Miller](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/miller/32/481_2.png) [@Miller](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Miller)\ **Post date:** [April 8, 2014, 10:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/captain-america-2-open-spoilers/685289/169 "2014-04-08T22:13:52Z")
> [@Little\_Nemo](#): > > After she left her Russian agency (she said KGB in the movie but that isn’t really possible)… Included among the documents Natasha released to the Internet was the _real_ date the KGB was dissolved. ---
**Author:** ![DZedNConfused](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dzednconfused/32/15991_2.png) [@DZedNConfused](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DZedNConfused)\ **Post date:** [April 8, 2014, 10:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/captain-america-2-open-spoilers/685289/170 "2014-04-08T22:49:18Z")
> [@Miller](#): > > Included among the documents Natasha released to the Internet was the _real_ date the KGB was dissolved. “Oh look it’s trending…” ---
**Author:** ![silenus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/silenus/32/166_2.png) [@silenus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/silenus)\ **Post date:** [April 8, 2014, 10:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/captain-america-2-open-spoilers/685289/171 "2014-04-08T22:58:43Z")
Given that this is Natasha we are talking about, I’ll bet she didn’t do a total upload. She had time enough to sequester certain areas of intel. Like her own files, for example. She’s also not going to dump weapons tech willy-nilly onto the Web. I’d say that _Agents of SHIELD/Uprising/Working at Starbucks_ will adress this in the last 6 episodes of this season, and next season as well. ---
**Author:** ![XanderCrews](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/x/ee59a6/32.png) [@XanderCrews](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/XanderCrews)\ **Post date:** [April 8, 2014, 11:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/captain-america-2-open-spoilers/685289/172 "2014-04-08T23:11:34Z")
I liked the movie. I wanted Black Widow to tell the senate to piss off. When they were threatening her with prison I don’t understand why she wasn’t like, “Uh, did you forget I’m an Avanger? The Incredible Hulk will pull the doors off of the jail.” or “Last time I checked you won an election, but I saved New York.” ---
**Author:** ![wonky](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wonky/32/393_2.png) [@wonky](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wonky)\ **Post date:** [April 8, 2014, 11:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/captain-america-2-open-spoilers/685289/173 "2014-04-08T23:17:58Z")
I thought this was a much better movie than the first one (which I just saw for the first time a few days ago). It amuses me that the bad guys are always trying to psycho out Black Widow (Loki in Avengers, Pierce in this) and it never works. It’s refreshing to get female characters who aren’t blithering idiots or weepy wrecks. Only two complaints, both minor: I hated the cgi on Peggy’s face uring the Cap and Peggy scenes. Why not just use makeup? So weird. And why did they have such heavy makeup on Chris Evans? It flattened his features in a weird, photoshoppy way. He was positively glossy at times. ---
**Author:** ![alphaboi867](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/alphaboi867/32/3898_2.png) [@alphaboi867](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/alphaboi867)\ **Post date:** [April 9, 2014, 2:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/captain-america-2-open-spoilers/685289/174 "2014-04-09T02:28:11Z")
> [@Miller](#): > > Included among the documents Natasha released to the Internet was the _real_ date the KGB was dissolved. Maybe she’s from [Belarus](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/KGB_(Belarus)). 😉 Seriously though; I don’t think there’s any anything behind it beyond “KGB” being more recognizable than “SVR”. ---
**Author:** ![bienville](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/4bbf92/32.png) [@bienville](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bienville)\ **Post date:** [April 10, 2014, 5:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/captain-america-2-open-spoilers/685289/175 "2014-04-10T05:22:18Z")
> [@alphaboi867](#): > > Seriously though; I don’t think there’s any anything behind it beyond “KGB” being more recognizable than “SVR”. In Soviet Russia, KGB recognizes _you_! ---
**Author:** ![Cayuga](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/3e96dc/32.png) [@Cayuga](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cayuga)\ **Post date:** [April 10, 2014, 2:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/captain-america-2-open-spoilers/685289/176 "2014-04-10T14:51:07Z")
> [@jsgoddess](#): > > I hated the cgi on Peggy’s face uring the Cap and Peggy scenes. Why not just use makeup? Funny, I loved it. I spent the whole scene trying to figure out if they’d cast an older actress who bore an amazing resemblance, or if it were incredible makeup. I didn’t think of CG because … I dunno … because I’m old, I guess. The reason old-age makeup is so difficult to do convincingly is that as people age, they shrink. Fat deposits in the face disappear, muscles recede, everything gets smaller. To faithfully recreate that, you have to remove stuff from the actor’s face, which most agents balk at putting into a contract. Then, adding makeup layers on top of the young actor’s face makes it bigger, not smaller. Yes, there have been some incredible and realistic aging jobs done with makeup, but not many. ---
**Author:** ![Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/7cd45c/32.png) [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Elendil_s_Heir)\ **Post date:** [April 10, 2014, 3:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/captain-america-2-open-spoilers/685289/177 "2014-04-10T15:16:13Z")
Huh. I didn’t realize it was CGI. I thought it was pretty good. Dustin Hoffman’s old-age makeup in _Little Big Man_ is still, I think, the best I’ve ever seen. Before: [http://m5.paperblog.com/i/28/286844/fabulous-filmic-fashion-friday-little-big-man-L-cPJ8gJ.png](http://m5.paperblog.com/i/28/286844/fabulous-filmic-fashion-friday-little-big-man-L-cPJ8gJ.png) After: [http://www.fredpahlke.com/uploads/8/5/4/9/8549218/5473322\_orig.jpg](http://www.fredpahlke.com/uploads/8/5/4/9/8549218/5473322_orig.jpg) ---
**Author:** ![Zsofia](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/7bcc69/32.png) [@Zsofia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Zsofia)\ **Post date:** [April 10, 2014, 5:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/captain-america-2-open-spoilers/685289/178 "2014-04-10T17:18:56Z")
I thought that whole scene was just cheap. It really bugged me. I didn’t get any real emotional sense from it or anything. Ugh. I thought the deleted scenes from The Avengers were much better - him sitting in his apartment looking at files, etc. ---
**Author:** ![wonky](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wonky/32/393_2.png) [@wonky](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wonky)\ **Post date:** [April 10, 2014, 5:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/captain-america-2-open-spoilers/685289/179 "2014-04-10T17:19:29Z")
> [@Cayuga](#): > > Funny, I loved it. I spent the whole scene trying to figure out if they’d cast an older actress who bore an amazing resemblance, or if it were incredible makeup. I didn’t think of CG because … I dunno … because I’m old, I guess. > > The reason old-age makeup is so difficult to do convincingly is that as people age, they shrink. Fat deposits in the face disappear, muscles recede, everything gets smaller. To faithfully recreate that, you have to remove stuff from the actor’s face, which most agents balk at putting into a contract. Then, adding makeup layers on top of the young actor’s face makes it bigger, not smaller. > > Yes, there have been some incredible and realistic aging jobs done with makeup, but not many. Sure but… CGI writhes around. Her face was shifting and unattached. It creeped me out. I instantly knew it was CGI because of the weird disassociation. ---
**Author:** ![DZedNConfused](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dzednconfused/32/15991_2.png) [@DZedNConfused](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DZedNConfused)\ **Post date:** [April 10, 2014, 5:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/captain-america-2-open-spoilers/685289/180 "2014-04-10T17:24:04Z")
> [@Zsofia](#): > > I thought that whole scene was just cheap. It really bugged me. I didn’t get any real emotional sense from it or anything. Ugh. I cried. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/captain-america-2-open-spoilers/685289.md?page=8) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/captain-america-2-open-spoilers/685289.md?page=10)