# Captain America 2 **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [October 24, 2013, 5:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/captain-america-2/672131 "2013-10-24T17:20:57Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![Miller](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/miller/32/481_2.png) [@Miller](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Miller)\ **Post date:** [October 25, 2013, 7:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/captain-america-2/672131/41 "2013-10-25T19:18:55Z")
> [@Push\_You\_Down](#): > > Is there really a desire for Austin Powers’ style jokes just with Cap as the focus? Who said anything about jokes? ---
**Author:** ![Bridget\_Burke](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/7cd45c/32.png) [@Bridget\_Burke](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bridget_Burke)\ **Post date:** [October 25, 2013, 7:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/captain-america-2/672131/42 "2013-10-25T19:31:48Z")
> [@Push\_You\_Down](#): > > The problem with the “man out of time” stuff is that we’ve seen it. “Time traveler doesn’t understand the present” is old-hat… The absolutely batshit _Sleepy Hollow_ on Fox has some serious “man out of time” potential. Ichabod Crane “died” in 1776 and is now partnered with a female African-American police lieutenant to fight the Apocalypse–and assorted demons, evil humans, etc. So far, they’ve kept Ichabod’s adaptation to modern times as a minor & often humorous thread in the story. There is evil to fight! And there’s the chemistry with his partner… (I love this show.) I really liked Captain America & think the new film looks promising. They can’t waste two hours in a moody character study. I think they will continue mixing action with the other elements in an intelligently entertaining way. ---
**Author:** ![YogSothoth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/y/8edcca/32.png) [@YogSothoth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/YogSothoth)\ **Post date:** [October 25, 2013, 7:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/captain-america-2/672131/43 "2013-10-25T19:48:42Z")
I loved the first Captain America, I thought it was the best of the pre-Avengers Marvel films. I’m so psyched for this movie! 😃 ---
**Author:** ![Miller](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/miller/32/481_2.png) [@Miller](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Miller)\ **Post date:** [October 25, 2013, 7:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/captain-america-2/672131/44 "2013-10-25T19:50:06Z")
I thought _Iron Man 3_ did a good job of dealing with Tony’s PTSD, while still being a good action movie. I’d like to see Cap’s struggles with fitting into the modern world treated at about the same level of depth and seriousness. I don’t want the next Captain America movie to be _My Dinner with Arnim Zola_, but I’d like it to be at least a solid B-plot. ---
**Author:** ![Zsofia](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/7bcc69/32.png) [@Zsofia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Zsofia)\ **Post date:** [October 25, 2013, 8:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/captain-america-2/672131/45 "2013-10-25T20:16:27Z")
It shouldn’t be _funny_ that everybody you ever knew and everything you ever understood is dead. I mean, jokes are fine and all but I hate how that’s the only take that seems popular on the idea. ---
**Author:** ![Intergalactic\_Gladiator](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/intergalactic_gladiator/32/112_2.png) [@Intergalactic\_Gladiator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Intergalactic_Gladiator)\ **Post date:** [October 25, 2013, 9:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/captain-america-2/672131/46 "2013-10-25T21:14:08Z")
> [@Zsofia](#): > > It shouldn’t be _funny_ that everybody you ever knew and everything you ever understood is dead. I mean, jokes are fine and all but I hate how that’s the only take that seems popular on the idea. I don’t think he was ever actually in a barbershop quartet but that joke does seem pretty crass to me. It would have been fine to say they were “long gone” or retired. ---
**Author:** ![RikWriter](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/49beb7/32.png) [@RikWriter](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RikWriter)\ **Post date:** [October 25, 2013, 9:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/captain-america-2/672131/47 "2013-10-25T21:16:11Z")
> [@Intergalactic\_Gladiator](#): > > I don’t think he was ever actually in a barbershop quartet but that joke does seem pretty crass to me. It would have been fine to say they were “long gone” or retired. I believe I recall that he was in a barbershop quartet in Skokie Illinois… ---
**Author:** ![cmkeller](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cmkeller/32/118_2.png) [@cmkeller](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/cmkeller)\ **Post date:** [October 25, 2013, 9:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/captain-america-2/672131/48 "2013-10-25T21:23:00Z")
Isn’t Redford’s character named “Alexander Pierce”? Isn’t that a member of the Hellfire Club (usually associated with the X-Men franchise, but hasn’t been featured in any of the X-Men movies) who happens to dress pretty much exactly like Redford is dressed in the trailer? ---
**Author:** ![Simplicio](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/c37758/32.png) [@Simplicio](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Simplicio)\ **Post date:** [October 25, 2013, 9:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/captain-america-2/672131/49 "2013-10-25T21:27:07Z")
> [@Miller](#): > > I thought _Iron Man 3_ did a good job of dealing with Tony’s PTSD, while still being a good action movie. I’d like to see Cap’s struggles with fitting into the modern world treated at about the same level of depth and seriousness. I don’t want the next Captain America movie to be _My Dinner with Arnim Zola_, but I’d like it to be at least a solid B-plot. Yea, it seems weird to bother with the whole “frozen in time” thing and then not really do anything with it. Especially given that compared to a lot of the rest of the Marvel universe, CA’s actual superpowers are kinda underwhelming. ---
**Author:** ![kenobi\_65](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kenobi_65/32/13178_2.png) [@kenobi\_65](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kenobi_65)\ **Post date:** [October 25, 2013, 9:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/captain-america-2/672131/50 "2013-10-25T21:30:42Z")
> [@cmkeller](#): > > Isn’t that a member of the Hellfire Club (usually associated with the X-Men franchise, but hasn’t been featured in any of the X-Men movies) While the Hellfire Club hasn’t been directly mentioned, Sebastian Shaw (who was the original Black King in the Club) was, of course, the villain in _Days of Future Past_. Based on what I’ve seen discussed in the past about which characters / references are open game for Marvel to use in their “Cinematic Universe”, versus what’s been given over to the other studios in contracts for those groups of characters (such as the Scarlet Witch and Quicksilver apparently not being allowed in the Avengers movies, due to their ties to Magneto and the Brotherhood of Evil Mutants), I’d be pretty surprised if Redford’s character is meant to have that connection. ---
**Author:** ![Justin\_Bailey](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/justin_bailey/32/8792_2.png) [@Justin\_Bailey](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Justin_Bailey)\ **Post date:** [October 25, 2013, 9:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/captain-america-2/672131/51 "2013-10-25T21:36:59Z")
> [@kenobi\_65](#): > > While the Hellfire Club hasn’t been directly mentioned, Sebastian Shaw (who was the original Black King in the Club) was, of course, the villain in _Days of Future Past_. I think you mean _X-Men: First Class_. ---
**Author:** ![drastic\_quench](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e36b37/32.png) [@drastic\_quench](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/drastic_quench)\ **Post date:** [October 26, 2013, 12:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/captain-america-2/672131/52 "2013-10-26T00:57:22Z")
> [@kenobi\_65](#): > > While the Hellfire Club hasn’t been directly mentioned, Sebastian Shaw (who was the original Black King in the Club) was, of course, the villain in _Days of Future Past_. > > Based on what I’ve seen discussed in the past about which characters / references are open game for Marvel to use in their “Cinematic Universe”, versus what’s been given over to the other studios in contracts for those groups of characters (such as the Scarlet Witch and Quicksilver apparently not being allowed in the Avengers movies, due to their ties to Magneto and the Brotherhood of Evil Mutants), I’d be pretty surprised if Redford’s character is meant to have that connection. Scarlett Witch and Quicksilver are in both the Avengers sequel and the next X-Men flick. Different actors have been cast. I believe the Avengers flick cannot mention mutants nor Magneto, but otherwise they’re good . ---
**Author:** ![Zsofia](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/7bcc69/32.png) [@Zsofia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Zsofia)\ **Post date:** [October 26, 2013, 1:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/captain-america-2/672131/53 "2013-10-26T01:59:32Z")
> [@Simplicio](#): > > Yea, it seems weird to bother with the whole “frozen in time” thing and then not really do anything with it. Especially given that compared to a lot of the rest of the Marvel universe, CA’s actual superpowers are kinda underwhelming. He’s always been one of those incredibly ill-defined superheroes. If you can get shot then, yo, you need a parachute. ---
**Author:** ![Zsofia](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/7bcc69/32.png) [@Zsofia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Zsofia)\ **Post date:** [October 26, 2013, 2:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/captain-america-2/672131/54 "2013-10-26T02:05:55Z")
> [@Miller](#): > > “Guy in tights punches other guy in tights” isn’t exactly fresh and innovative, either, and yet here we are. > > **Zsofia** , Google “Steve Rogers’ American Captain.” It’s a fan made webcomic that purports to be Steve Rogers’ comic diary. It’s an absolutely fantastic take on the character, and how he’d have trouble adapting to the modern world. Also features some fantastic discussions of modern art. Check it out before Disney’s lawyers get wind. LOVE. ---
**Author:** ![Zsofia](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/7bcc69/32.png) [@Zsofia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Zsofia)\ **Post date:** [October 26, 2013, 2:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/captain-america-2/672131/55 "2013-10-26T02:43:46Z")
See? [This](http://americancaptaincomic.tumblr.com/post/52783064194/oranges) is what I’m talking about. Like how my mom finally got my dad (b. 1931, Georgia sharecropper) to stop with the oranges in Christmas stockings. Because, seriously, oranges? So I might have cried a little. ---
**Author:** ![drastic\_quench](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e36b37/32.png) [@drastic\_quench](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/drastic_quench)\ **Post date:** [October 26, 2013, 3:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/captain-america-2/672131/56 "2013-10-26T03:26:12Z")
> [@Zsofia](#): > > He’s always been one of those incredibly ill-defined superheroes. If you can get shot then, yo, you need a parachute. He doesn’t need one because he lands on his shield. He’s been doing that for years now in the comics. With comic book logic, because his shield negates/absorbs all impacts, landing on it at terminal velocity is harmless. His super soldierness doesn’t even really come into play – though you could say he needs that peak human coordination to pull off the stunt – but really it’s all in that wonderful shield. ---
**Author:** ![smiling\_bandit](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/e9a140/32.png) [@smiling\_bandit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/smiling_bandit)\ **Post date:** [October 26, 2013, 5:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/captain-america-2/672131/57 "2013-10-26T05:30:15Z")
> [@kenobi\_65](#): > > Yea, it seems weird to bother with the whole “frozen in time” thing and then not really do anything with it. Especially given that compared to a lot of the rest of the Marvel universe, CA’s actual superpowers are kinda underwhelming. Well, as they say - it’s not the powers, it’s the man. And Captain America is basically everything a man _should_ be. He always had the heart of a hero. His super-soldier serum just gave him the body to match. Really, he’s not that different from Peter Parker, albeit more serious. Which is related to his attitude towards being reawakened. There’s a lot of stuff he doesn’t like about the world now, but at the same time he’s not going to wallow in it as long as he can still do some good. To put it bluntly, Cap is just not a brooder. And he doesn’t much want to be. At the same time, remember that he functionally _died_. He was prepared to give up the world he lived in. He knew this and understood he wasn’t going back to that world before his apparent demise. ---
**Author:** ![The\_Other\_Waldo\_Pepper](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/the_other_waldo_pepper/32/12370_2.png) [@The\_Other\_Waldo\_Pepper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Other_Waldo_Pepper)\ **Post date:** [October 26, 2013, 2:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/captain-america-2/672131/58 "2013-10-26T14:18:56Z")
> [@cmkeller](#): > > Isn’t Redford’s character named “Alexander Pierce”? Isn’t that a member of the Hellfire Club (usually associated with the X-Men franchise, but hasn’t been featured in any of the X-Men movies) IIRC, you’re thinking of Donald Pierce. Alexander Pierce has long been a SHIELD character. ---
**Author:** ![Zsofia](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/7bcc69/32.png) [@Zsofia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Zsofia)\ **Post date:** [October 26, 2013, 2:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/captain-america-2/672131/59 "2013-10-26T14:24:32Z")
> [@smiling\_bandit](#): > > Well, as they say - it’s not the powers, it’s the man. And Captain America is basically everything a man _should_ be. He always had the heart of a hero. His super-soldier serum just gave him the body to match. Really, he’s not that different from Peter Parker, albeit more serious. > > Which is related to his attitude towards being reawakened. There’s a lot of stuff he doesn’t like about the world now, but at the same time he’s not going to wallow in it as long as he can still do some good. To put it bluntly, Cap is just not a brooder. And he doesn’t much want to be. At the same time, remember that he functionally _died_. He was prepared to give up the world he lived in. He knew this and understood he wasn’t going back to that world before his apparent demise. Well, yeah, you can talk about that all day long but you still have to figure out the grocery store and oranges cost what? You can just buy oranges whenever you want? The everyday business of getting by is fundamentally different now. That’s what gets you in foreign countries - not the big things, but the little ones. Plus if you’ve gotten used to the idea of dying the hard thing is “what now”? ---
**Author:** ![simster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/simster/32/1047_2.png) [@simster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/simster)\ **Post date:** [October 26, 2013, 2:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/captain-america-2/672131/60 "2013-10-26T14:56:15Z")
> [@The\_Other\_Waldo\_Pepper](#): > > IIRC, you’re thinking of Donald Pierce. Alexander Pierce has long been a SHIELD character. let me guess - he’s adopted? [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/captain-america-2/672131.md?page=2) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/captain-america-2/672131.md?page=4)