# Captain America 2 **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [October 24, 2013, 5:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/captain-america-2/672131 "2013-10-24T17:20:57Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 4
**Author:** ![Jonathan\_Chance](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jonathan_chance/32/701_2.png) [@Jonathan\_Chance](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jonathan_Chance)\ **Post date:** [October 26, 2013, 3:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/captain-america-2/672131/61 "2013-10-26T15:12:52Z")
> [@Simplicio](#): > > Yea, it seems weird to bother with the whole “frozen in time” thing and then not really do anything with it. Especially given that compared to a lot of the rest of the Marvel universe, CA’s actual superpowers are kinda underwhelming. Well, possibly. But Cap’s overarching power isn’t the super soldier stuff but his character and leadership. Think of the other Avengers…all of them have significant character flaws that they struggle with. Cap, on the other hand, is simply committed to being a good man and doing the right thing…and he expect those around him to do so as well. That’s why having him at the center of a political thriller is a good idea. He’s not the sort who can turn away from a conspiracy without attempting to deal with it. ---
**Author:** ![Superhal](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/b4bc9f/32.png) [@Superhal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Superhal)\ **Post date:** [October 26, 2013, 11:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/captain-america-2/672131/62 "2013-10-26T23:25:09Z")
I think the new cap is terrible. First, they reversed the Bucky and Steve Rogers personalities. Then, they recycled every stunt from Indiana jones they could find. I have little or no hope part 2 will be any better. ---
**Author:** ![kenobi\_65](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kenobi_65/32/13178_2.png) [@kenobi\_65](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kenobi_65)\ **Post date:** [October 26, 2013, 11:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/captain-america-2/672131/63 "2013-10-26T23:30:04Z")
> [@Justin\_Bailey](#): > > I think you mean _X-Men: First Class_. :smack: I did, yes. ---
**Author:** ![kenobi\_65](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kenobi_65/32/13178_2.png) [@kenobi\_65](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kenobi_65)\ **Post date:** [October 26, 2013, 11:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/captain-america-2/672131/64 "2013-10-26T23:31:38Z")
> [@smiling\_bandit](#): > > Well, as they say - it’s not the powers, it’s the man. And Captain America is basically everything a man _should_ be. He always had the heart of a hero. His super-soldier serum just gave him the body to match. Really, he’s not that different from Peter Parker, albeit more serious. > > Which is related to his attitude towards being reawakened. There’s a lot of stuff he doesn’t like about the world now, but at the same time he’s not going to wallow in it as long as he can still do some good. To put it bluntly, Cap is just not a brooder. And he doesn’t much want to be. At the same time, remember that he functionally _died_. He was prepared to give up the world he lived in. He knew this and understood he wasn’t going back to that world before his apparent demise. Just to note that it wasn’t me who said what you quoted; it was Simplicio. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![RikWriter](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/49beb7/32.png) [@RikWriter](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RikWriter)\ **Post date:** [October 27, 2013, 12:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/captain-america-2/672131/65 "2013-10-27T00:02:05Z")
> [@Superhal](#): > > I think the new cap is terrible. First, they reversed the Bucky and Steve Rogers personalities. Then, they recycled every stunt from Indiana jones they could find. I have little or no hope part 2 will be any better. Totally disagree with every single one of your assertions. ---
**Author:** ![silenus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/silenus/32/166_2.png) [@silenus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/silenus)\ **Post date:** [October 27, 2013, 1:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/captain-america-2/672131/66 "2013-10-27T01:47:26Z")
As do I, for what that’s worth. ---
**Author:** ![Achren](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/898d66/32.png) [@Achren](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Achren)\ **Post date:** [October 27, 2013, 2:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/captain-america-2/672131/67 "2013-10-27T02:57:56Z")
> [@Miller](#): > > **Zsofia** , Google “Steve Rogers’ American Captain.” It’s a fan made webcomic that purports to be Steve Rogers’ comic diary. It’s an absolutely fantastic take on the character, and how he’d have trouble adapting to the modern world. Also features some fantastic discussions of modern art. Check it out before Disney’s lawyers get wind. That was great. Thanks for mentioning it. ---
**Author:** ![Zsofia](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/7bcc69/32.png) [@Zsofia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Zsofia)\ **Post date:** [October 27, 2013, 9:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/captain-america-2/672131/68 "2013-10-27T21:01:46Z")
I’m now absolutely obsessed with American Captain. SO GOOD. ETA - recall, by the way, that he isn’t only disoriented by temporal displacement AND the whole “what do soldiers do after the war?”/PTSD thing but ALSO can you imagine how bad it would screw a person up to stick them in a whole new body, send them off to war, then everything else happens? Dude has got to be crawling with _issues_. ---
**Author:** ![Quimby](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/q/22d042/32.png) [@Quimby](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Quimby)\ **Post date:** [October 27, 2013, 9:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/captain-america-2/672131/69 "2013-10-27T21:09:23Z")
> [@smiling\_bandit](#): > > Well, as they say - it’s not the powers, it’s the man. And Captain America is basically everything a man _should_ be. He always had the heart of a hero. His super-soldier serum just gave him the body to match. Exactly. he’s the Marvel equivalent of Superman: a good person who happens to be super powered. ETA: Other than the Avengers, I thought the first CA as my favorite of the modern Non-X-men Marvel movies. I am looking forward to the sequel. ---
**Author:** ![asterion](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/4da419/32.png) [@asterion](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/asterion)\ **Post date:** [October 27, 2013, 10:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/captain-america-2/672131/70 "2013-10-27T22:42:03Z")
Captain America was helped a lot by being a period piece. Well, at least that it was set in the 40s. Sure, you have to bring the character forward in time for the Avengers and obviously any sequels will be modern, but there was something really fun about it being set in WWII. I think it’s a close competition between Iron Man and Captain America for the best in-house Marvel movie. ---
**Author:** ![Chronos](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chronos/32/134_2.png) [@Chronos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chronos)\ **Post date:** [October 28, 2013, 12:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/captain-america-2/672131/71 "2013-10-28T00:31:46Z")
I’ve liked all of the movies in this continuity, but I think _The Avengers_ was the best of them. It was just such a challenge to fit them all into the same movie, that when they succeeded at that challenge, it was all the more amazing. ---
**Author:** ![BMalion](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/e274bd/32.png) [@BMalion](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BMalion)\ **Post date:** [October 28, 2013, 3:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/captain-america-2/672131/72 "2013-10-28T03:49:53Z")
> [@Push\_You\_Down](#): > > YES. I like that we got some Falcon action in the trailer… wish his suit had more color. You’d prefer yellow spandex? ---
**Author:** ![Push\_You\_Down](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/push_you_down/32/9095_2.png) [@Push\_You\_Down](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Push_You_Down)\ **Post date:** [October 28, 2013, 4:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/captain-america-2/672131/73 "2013-10-28T04:53:26Z")
> [@Miller](#): > > Who said anything about jokes? If you’re not looking for “Cap doesn’t know how to use a cellphone” then the movies appear to be doing just fine. Avengers established that after the thaw, Cap spends his time in a dilapidated gym training by himself. “Trying to get me back into the world?” tell us that he doesn’t really do much else. Now from the trailer alone, we see that Cap dealing with not fitting in in a modern is going to play a part… so what else are people wanting? ---
**Author:** ![Miller](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/miller/32/481_2.png) [@Miller](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Miller)\ **Post date:** [October 28, 2013, 3:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/captain-america-2/672131/74 "2013-10-28T15:02:02Z")
> [@Push\_You\_Down](#): > > If you’re not looking for “Cap doesn’t know how to use a cellphone” then the movies appear to be doing just fine. > > Avengers established that after the thaw, Cap spends his time in a dilapidated gym training by himself. “Trying to get me back into the world?” tell us that he doesn’t really do much else. Now from the trailer alone, we see that Cap dealing with not fitting in in a modern is going to play a part… so what else are people wanting? I think I explained that in post 44. ---
**Author:** ![Intergalactic\_Gladiator](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/intergalactic_gladiator/32/112_2.png) [@Intergalactic\_Gladiator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Intergalactic_Gladiator)\ **Post date:** [October 28, 2013, 3:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/captain-america-2/672131/75 "2013-10-28T15:02:56Z")
> [@Push\_You\_Down](#): > > If you’re not looking for “Cap doesn’t know how to use a cellphone” then the movies appear to be doing just fine. Yeah, I don’t think they should spend too much time mining this kind of material. Yes, there’s the whole man out of time aspect that Cap represents, but it’s more about ideals and beliefs than technology and those aspects of modern society. He did have to fight Nazis with rayguns in the first movie, so flying aircraft carriers and cell phones shouldn’t be too difficult for him to comprehend. On top of that, Captain America is the peak of human abilities. He has the speed, strength, and agility that isn’t necessarily superhuman, but it’s at the pinnacle of human ability. He couldn’t even get drunk to morn the loss of Bucky because his body processed the alcohol too quickly. His mind is like that too, so he’s not going to be spending a lot of time marveled at new technology and mashing buttons like a dumb monkey, he’s going to spend the time needed to learn it so he can use it. ---
**Author:** ![HazelNutCoffee](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/ac91a4/32.png) [@HazelNutCoffee](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/HazelNutCoffee)\ **Post date:** [March 30, 2014, 2:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/captain-america-2/672131/76 "2014-03-30T14:19:25Z")
I just saw Captain America 2 yesterday. It was okay. The dialogue was pretty flat; a lot of the lines that were supposed to be witty did not really work for me. And for some reason I find Captain American as a character kind of bland. I don’t know if that’s just how the character is written or if the actor just doesn’t do it for me. All that said, it was definitely entertaining, and I thought the action scenes were pretty well done. My husband thought overall the movie was better than Thor 2, but I felt like the characters in Thor 2 were far more interesting than in Captain America. The mid-credits scene was definitely intriguing. Post-credits scene was less exciting. ---
**Author:** ![drastic\_quench](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e36b37/32.png) [@drastic\_quench](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/drastic_quench)\ **Post date:** [March 30, 2014, 3:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/captain-america-2/672131/77 "2014-03-30T15:41:48Z")
The reviews on Rotten Tomatoes are positively glowing. > **[Captain America: The Winter Soldier](https://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/captain_america_the_winter_soldier_2014)** > > After the cataclysmic events in New York with his fellow Avengers, Steve Rogers, aka Captain America (Chris Evans), lives in the nation's capital as he tries to adjust to modern times. An attack on a S.H.I.E.L.D. colleague throws Rogers into a web of... ---
**Author:** ![amanset](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/8dc957/32.png) [@amanset](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/amanset)\ **Post date:** [March 30, 2014, 4:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/captain-america-2/672131/78 "2014-03-30T16:11:37Z")
> [@HazelNutCoffee](#): > > I just saw Captain America 2 yesterday. It was okay. The dialogue was pretty flat; a lot of the lines that were supposed to be witty did not really work for me. And for some reason I find Captain American as a character kind of bland. I don’t know if that’s just how the character is written or if the actor just doesn’t do it for me. > > All that said, it was definitely entertaining, and I thought the action scenes were pretty well done. My husband thought overall the movie was better than Thor 2, but I felt like the characters in Thor 2 were far more interesting than in Captain America. > > The mid-credits scene was definitely intriguing. Post-credits scene was less exciting. Yeah, I saw it on Friday. It was exciting and I enjoyed it but … I can’t help but feel it was a missed opportunity. I had hoped for more of the political side and a bit less of the fighting. For me the highlight of the evening was seeing Rocket Raccoon take up an entire cinema screen during the trailers. I thought I’d never, ever see that. I also enjoyed the brief mention of Stephen Strange Mid-credits scene wasn’t what I expected at all and was a nice surprise. ---
**Author:** ![MostlyClueless](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/ba9def/32.png) [@MostlyClueless](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MostlyClueless)\ **Post date:** [March 30, 2014, 9:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/captain-america-2/672131/79 "2014-03-30T21:40:49Z")
The verse on Nick’s grave was odd to see. Didn’t expect such a reference, somehow. ---
**Author:** ![Bakhesh](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/3da27b/32.png) [@Bakhesh](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bakhesh)\ **Post date:** [March 31, 2014, 9:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/captain-america-2/672131/80 "2014-03-31T09:58:43Z")
I saw it on Friday, and loved it. It’s probably my favourite Marvel film after the Avengers. Great plot, great actors, great action, it was very hard to fault. I enjoyed all the Phase 1 movies, but so far, all the Phase 2 movies seem even better. Marvel are really getting into their stride > [@MostlyClueless](#): > > The verse on Nick’s grave was odd to see. Didn’t expect such a reference, somehow. I love that, because it implies that… Jules in Pulp Fiction was actually Nick Fury undercover, trying to retrieve the Tesseract from Marcellus Wallace [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/captain-america-2/672131.md?page=3) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/captain-america-2/672131.md?page=5)