Given production lead time, I don’t think so.
You’re probably right. Lying sack o’ shit.
Who knows. My bet is they changed the story. Mountains can be moved with enough uproar. Fucking idiots.
Grunman said it far more eloquently than I did. Cap works best as a mirror that you use to show us society’s flaws, which I think the movies have actually done very well. They even managed to make him human, rather than a one-dimensional puritanical pain in the ass.
Even for a medium known for transparent jackass plot twists, this was especially dumb.
There is no way in the world they changed the story because Twitter freaked out. Comics are done many months in advance. Right now several writers and artists said they are working on their January 2017 material. Logistically it couldn’t be changed that drastically.
I don’t know if it is the megaphone of the internet that blows things out of proportion or there really is a generation of people growing up not understanding conflict or story telling but this whole “fan” reaction was dumb.
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There is no way in the world they changed the story because Twitter freaked out. Comics are done many months in advance. Right now several writers and artists said they are working on their January 2017 material. Logistically it couldn’t be changed that drastically.
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It most certainly could be if they rushed the change. They prefer to have stories done in advance, but they’re not locked into it.
Marvel repeatedly acts surprised when their efforts to slap the public in the face gets them slapped right back.
Like it not, Captain America is an iconic character. He is almost literally a embodiment of the American spirit, and with a publishing history that goes back to most reader’s grandparents, he’s become a a symbol beyond the character. That needs to be handled carefully.
I don’t believe any mechanism in the world can change the second issue of a monthly comic book based on the response to the first issue. It would take Superman spinning the Earth backward.
Between this thread and the Batman v. Superman threads, I’ve reached the conclusion that you can tug on Superman’s cape but you don’t mess around with Cap. 
I’ve just read the comic, and it’s not that.
[spoiler]The Skull used a cosmic cube. Cosmic cubes don’t implant memories. They rewrite reality. Steve’s memories are true. Everything he flashed back to actually happened, but only because the cube willed it to be so. Like a Brevoort said, he’s “always” been Hydra, because the past has been altered to make it so.
The interesting thing is, the cube that changed his past is sentient. Its currently running around looking like a five year old girl named Kobik. She’s intelligent, but also innocent, and very naive. The Red Skull has been indoctrinating her with stories about how Hydra wants to save the world from itself, and get rid of crime and poverty and so forth. He’s not been laying (it appears) the hard core race hate stuff yet. When Kobik made Rogers young, she made him into the best hero he could be - which, she thought, meant being part of Hydra. The implication of all of this is, the Hydra that Steve has been retconned into serving might actually be the heroic organization that The Skull has been lying to her about. What happens when Steve’s memories of Hydra run up against the reality of the organization should be a hell of a fight.
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This remains one of the more interesting books Marvel is putting out right now. Highly recommended.
Hmm. Well, I guess that sounds marginally less stoopid than I thought Marvel was being. Thanks.
IOW, this is now essentially an alternate world story, so anything is possible and justifiable. It’s like the imaginary tale in which Superman landed as a baby in Russia and was brought up as a Communist. Or stories of Earth One and etc. in which the same-named character leads a different life. Or the Marvel Ultimates universe that differs from the classic one but occasionally intersects. Or …
There’s nothing new in comics, just new switches on the old plots. This one will get to stand on its own merits now that the complainers look like idiots. Though they’ll now fight harder through all the egg on their faces.
Is it possible that the Red Skull screwed up and accidentally created an actual heroic version of Hydra when he recreated Steve’s life?
I think there’s an excellent chance of that happening.
I think people are burying the lead here. It’s a world with an omnipotent being capable of changing the entire fabric of time and space but who doesn’t know when someone is lying to its face. I suppose that’s a metaphor for something. But even the most insane and inane religions have smarter gods than that.
Also known as, “A typical Wednesday.”
There’s…something about Cosmic Cubes (hatched or not) that make people become retarded suddenly.
Every time the Red Skull gets one, rather than just saying “I wish Captain America had died in WW2 allowing me to take over with the 3.5th Reich and I wish that he or any analog of him is ever able to return, even if subconsiously, I kinda want him to.” he comes up with these stupid schemes.
Thanos gets his hands on the Cosmic Cube and says “I wish I was GAWD” and then throws the cube away, letting Captain Mar-Vell karate chop it and de-GAWD’d him.
A half a cosmic cube became sentient and chose to look like a guy with a perm cut into a mullet who was a less interesting Mr. Myxtzplk.
Cosmic Cubes make you dumb. I can’t think of a single time one was used intelligently (other than to undo previous wishes, which don’t count)
“You put the Ultimate Nullifier in the hands of children?” asked Galactus of the Watcher was back in the first appearance of a cosmic being in Marvel. (Paraphrased, of course.) That was a great ending. The Fantastic Four were like ants in the universe, pets that someone wanted to protect. But comics have to come out every month, dozens of them, and every one has to up the stakes. Pretty soon, Squirrel Girl is punching out the Living Tribunal with her own dainty little paws.
Stan debuted the Cosmic Cube virtually the same month he wrote the Galactus saga. All that stuff was insanely wonderful the first time, and half-assed the second time, and embarrassing ever since.
Point taken and with a few exceptions (What they’re doing over in The Ultimates* for instance) but bad example. Squirrel Girl can beat ANYONE. She makes Dr. Doom wet his metal pants. She spanks Thanos like the petulant two year old he is**. Had you used any character but her, I’d have agreed 100% 
*The first Ultimates arc managed to make Galactus’s purpose make sense (“Natural Force”? Nope–natural forces don’t hold a grudge. “Test”? Not if nobody except Earth in ~12 Billion Years has ever passed, and having passed, he keeps coming back to Earth, etc. No excuse for not snuffing Galactus has worked until this on) AND be the only Galactus story after FF 48-50 that’s actually great)
**And apparently pisses off Jim “I had two, three great storylines in me 40 years ago and used them” Starlin off. So that’s good. 
Squirrel Girl is a meta-joke, like the Sentry. Which I think is great, because having to take not just **one **cosmic cube but **seven **infinity gems *seriously *is the more usual plotline. She still has no business punching out the Living Tribunal, even though I’m sure I made that up. But maybe I didn’t. That’s what depresses me.
There’s two differences between Squirrel-Girl and The Sentry.
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The Squirrel-Girl thing was largely a fan-based “grass-roots” movement. Someone (Dan Slott?) put her in one book and fans kept demanding more so she kept reappearing and sales went up in whatever book she appeared in. Sentry being every was editorial driven.
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Fans (in general) love Squirrel-Girl, and I’ve never met or talked to anyone actually wanted to see Sentry after the original mini-series.
(I don’t think she’s punched out the Living Tribunal, but she fairly recently beat Galactus (pre Ultimates) fair and square. Largely because she sat down and talked with him and said “Dude. What’s up with trying to eat us?”. She and Galactus regularly text now. She’s like a DC silver-age hero stuck in the middle of the Marvel Universe. )