# Captain America: Civil War - Seen it! \[spoilers ahoy\] **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [April 28, 2016, 8:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/captain-america-civil-war-seen-it-spoilers-ahoy/753317 "2016-04-28T08:07:32Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 19
**Author:** ![Miller](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/miller/32/481_2.png) [@Miller](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Miller)\ **Post date:** [May 31, 2016, 5:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/captain-america-civil-war-seen-it-spoilers-ahoy/753317/362 "2016-05-31T17:13:19Z")
> [@Miller](#): > > One other thing I haven’t seen mentioned anywhere on the 'net: Sharon Carter is about sixty in this book. [Scroll down to the last image on this article to see what she looks like now.](http://io9.gizmodo.com/this-might-explain-why-captain-america-is-evil-now-1779170994) Maybe there’s something I missed in a recent book explaining that, but I’m pretty sure she was a young woman the last time we saw her. Apparently, the Sharon Carter thing was established before the Hydra Cap story line. According to some random guy on Kotaku, she got stranded for a while in an alternate dimension where time ran faster. ---
**Author:** ![SlackerInc](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/slackerinc/32/275_2.png) [@SlackerInc](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SlackerInc)\ **Post date:** [May 31, 2016, 6:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/captain-america-civil-war-seen-it-spoilers-ahoy/753317/363 "2016-05-31T18:28:07Z")
> [@Miller](#): > > Apparently, the Sharon Carter thing was established before the Hydra Cap story line. According to some random guy on Kotaku, she got stranded for a while in an alternate dimension where time ran faster. Uhhhh…and this is \*not \*throwing too many things at the wall all at once? ---
**Author:** ![Miller](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/miller/32/481_2.png) [@Miller](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Miller)\ **Post date:** [May 31, 2016, 7:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/captain-america-civil-war-seen-it-spoilers-ahoy/753317/364 "2016-05-31T19:03:31Z")
> [@SlackerInc](#): > > Uhhhh…and this is \*not \*throwing too many things at the wall all at once? It’s apparently (per my _iron-clad_ source) something that happened months and month ago, and isn’t related to the current arc. So… no? ---
**Author:** ![Skywatcher](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/skywatcher/32/254_2.png) [@Skywatcher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skywatcher)\ **Post date:** [June 1, 2016, 1:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/captain-america-civil-war-seen-it-spoilers-ahoy/753317/365 "2016-06-01T01:50:58Z")
We went with a friend to a 3D showing at 1:00 today. The three of us were the only ones in the theater. ---
**Author:** ![RikWriter](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/49beb7/32.png) [@RikWriter](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RikWriter)\ **Post date:** [June 1, 2016, 11:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/captain-america-civil-war-seen-it-spoilers-ahoy/753317/366 "2016-06-01T11:27:44Z")
> [@Skywatcher](#): > > We went with a friend to a 3D showing at 1:00 today. The three of us were the only ones in the theater. Well, it has been out for almost a month now… ---
**Author:** ![bienville](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/4bbf92/32.png) [@bienville](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bienville)\ **Post date:** [June 1, 2016, 11:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/captain-america-civil-war-seen-it-spoilers-ahoy/753317/367 "2016-06-01T11:39:36Z")
I just watched it again yesterday. I know I said this earlier in the Thread but, having just rewatched it, I really feel this warrants repeating: Wanda should not throw people’s cars. Seriously. I’ve used long term airport parking before and I would be very upset upon returning to find that my car had been used as a projectile weapon while I was away. I’m imagining it now. I’ve just gotten off a long flight having returned from a trip. I want nothing more than to go directly home, have a shower, and lay down in my own bed for the first time in a week. First, I must retrieve my car. Upon approaching the parking garage, I find that it’s a disaster area. My car is nowhere to be found… wait… is that? My front bumper and license plate dangling from atop the Cinnabon??? Fuck you, Wanda Maximoff! ---
**Author:** ![Jonathan\_Chance](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jonathan_chance/32/701_2.png) [@Jonathan\_Chance](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jonathan_Chance)\ **Post date:** [June 1, 2016, 12:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/captain-america-civil-war-seen-it-spoilers-ahoy/753317/368 "2016-06-01T12:48:33Z")
THERE’s a vengeance story for you. Wanda, defeated and broken, facing her attacker: “What…what did I do to antagonize you so?” Random vengeance guy: “I’d just finished paying off that damn car!” ---
**Author:** ![The\_Other\_Waldo\_Pepper](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/the_other_waldo_pepper/32/12370_2.png) [@The\_Other\_Waldo\_Pepper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Other_Waldo_Pepper)\ **Post date:** [June 1, 2016, 1:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/captain-america-civil-war-seen-it-spoilers-ahoy/753317/369 "2016-06-01T13:01:42Z")
“Well, it’s this rug I had; it really tied the room together.” ---
**Author:** ![simster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/simster/32/1047_2.png) [@simster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/simster)\ **Post date:** [June 1, 2016, 1:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/captain-america-civil-war-seen-it-spoilers-ahoy/753317/370 "2016-06-01T13:08:42Z")
She ATE MY SANDWICH! ---
**Author:** ![Just\_Asking\_Questions](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/ba9def/32.png) [@Just\_Asking\_Questions](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Just_Asking_Questions)\ **Post date:** [June 1, 2016, 3:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/captain-america-civil-war-seen-it-spoilers-ahoy/753317/371 "2016-06-01T15:15:54Z")
> [@bienville](#): > > I just watched it again yesterday. > I know I said this earlier in the Thread but, having just rewatched it, I really feel this warrants repeating: Wanda should not throw people’s cars. Seriously. I’ve used long term airport parking before and I would be very upset upon returning to find that my car had been used as a projectile weapon while I was away. I’m imagining it now. I’ve just gotten off a long flight having returned from a trip. I want nothing more than to go directly home, have a shower, and lay down in my own bed for the first time in a week. First, I must retrieve my car. Upon approaching the parking garage, I find that it’s a disaster area. My car is nowhere to be found… wait… is that? My front bumper and license plate dangling from atop the Cinnabon??? Fuck you, Wanda Maximoff! Seriously! By the end of Burn Notice I started thinking the same thing about the sheer number of cars Michael and Fi blew up over the run of the show. I picture and episode where a client hires Michael because he fears someone is trying to kill him. Why does he think this? Because every time he gets a new car, it gets blown up. No matter if he moves across town, whatever, it blows up. Michael is forced to confront the fact that he (and Fiona) is the culprit. ---
**Author:** ![Fenris](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fenris/32/498_2.png) [@Fenris](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fenris)\ **Post date:** [June 6, 2016, 2:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/captain-america-civil-war-seen-it-spoilers-ahoy/753317/372 "2016-06-06T14:22:40Z")
> [@Miller](#): > > Not signing the accords meant you either retire your super tights, or you get arrested by the heroes who did sign the accords. Which was a pleasant fix from the stupid comic book version of Civil War, where the writers never actually talked to one another about what the law actually said. In the comics, if the writer was on Tony’s side, the law was what Miller said. If the writer was on Cap’s side, if you had powers, you either got a life-long draft as cannon-fodder/slave labor or got tossed into what amounts to a Space-Gulag. I’m glad the movie focused on the more nuanced of the two options. > [@](#): > > Presumably, if Cap hadn’t been worried about the UN killing his best friend, he could have said, “I’m not going to be your supercop, but I respect the law. Here’s my shield; I’ll be down at the gym murdering punching bags,” and walked away a free man. I didn’t catch that at all in the movie. I like it and it makes sense though. As it was, it seemed very out of character for “The Champion Of Democracy” to say “Screw what everyone else wants, I’m right and I ignore your stupid laws” ---
**Author:** ![RikWriter](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/49beb7/32.png) [@RikWriter](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RikWriter)\ **Post date:** [June 6, 2016, 3:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/captain-america-civil-war-seen-it-spoilers-ahoy/753317/373 "2016-06-06T15:24:32Z")
> [@Fenris](#): > > I didn’t catch that at all in the movie. I like it and it makes sense though. As it was, it seemed very out of character for “The Champion Of Democracy” to say “Screw what everyone else wants, I’m right and I ignore your stupid laws” To be fair, the “law” wasn’t passed by the people or by elected representatives. It was passed via a UN resolution which had not yet had time to be ratified by the US Senate when all the shit went down. Many UN countries are democracies only nominally. ---
**Author:** ![Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/7cd45c/32.png) [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Elendil_s_Heir)\ **Post date:** [June 6, 2016, 4:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/captain-america-civil-war-seen-it-spoilers-ahoy/753317/374 "2016-06-06T16:31:18Z")
Saw it over the weekend with two of my teenaged sons and we all enjoyed it, although it dragged now and then, and was overstuffed with characters IMHO. Already plenty going on without bringing in Spiderman and Ant-Man. Great action sequences, though, some weighty (for a superhero movie) issues discussed, not to mention some funny jokes (“So you like cats?” and “Could you move your seat up?” “No.”). I liked that the villain wasn’t superpowered but knew just what he had to do to defeat the Avengers (i.e. tear them apart) far more effectively than if he openly fought them. Some questions, and pardon me if they’ve already been answered in this very long thread: - Who set up the cameras that recorded the Winter Soldier’s murders of the Starks? How did he, she or they know that the car would go off the road right _there_? - How did Tony find Peter Parker? - What is the U.S. Secretary of State doing hanging around in a secret prison? ---
**Author:** ![Little\_Nemo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/little_nemo/32/3120_2.png) [@Little\_Nemo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Little_Nemo)\ **Post date:** [June 6, 2016, 5:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/captain-america-civil-war-seen-it-spoilers-ahoy/753317/375 "2016-06-06T17:15:41Z")
> [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](#): > > Who set up the cameras that recorded the Winter Soldier’s murders of the Starks? How did he, she or they know that the car would go off the road right _there_? The Winter Soldier was sent on the mission by the Soviet secret agency that he worked for. They told him when and where to be to intercept the Starks. So they would have been able to set up surveillance in the area to record how the Winter Soldier worked. Admittedly some of the camera angles seem improbably but that’s just the nature of movie making; you improve the shot. It hasn’t been explicitly stated but it appears that Leviathan was the Soviet counterpart of Shield. And like Shield (and the SS during WWII) it was heavily infiltrated by Hydra, which was using Leviathan resources to run its own operations. I think it’s also implied that Natasha Romanoff is a former Leviathan agent. > [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](#): > > How did Tony find Peter Parker? I’m guessing Stark initiated a database of public incidents where there was evidence of super powers being used. And then he used other data bases to track down the individuals who were using them. > [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](#): > > What is the U.S. Secretary of State doing hanging around in a secret prison? That one makes no sense. ---
**Author:** ![bienville](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/4bbf92/32.png) [@bienville](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bienville)\ **Post date:** [June 7, 2016, 8:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/captain-america-civil-war-seen-it-spoilers-ahoy/753317/376 "2016-06-07T08:29:59Z")
> [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](#): > > - Who set up the cameras that recorded the Winter Soldier’s murders of the Starks? How did he, she or they know that the car would go off the road right _there_? I will Quote myself from earlier in the Thread: > [@bienville](#): > > There was just the one security camera. > All the shots from other angles and close-ups, all that was “flashback” footage by the Russos for storytelling purposes. The characters watching the in-Universe footage knew what they were watching but, if that one camera angle with no change in framing was all that had been presented to the movie audience, the internet would be lighting up with people saying it was ambiguous and we don’t know what really happened and secrets will be revealed in future movies and if you pause it and zoom in at the exact right second and squint you can kinda see a shadow that looks like it could be Black Cat. > > The flashback footage intercut with the in-Universe security camera footage is a storytelling device to make sure the audience gets exactly the information that the filmmakers want to convey with no ambiguity. It’s presented in a stylized grainy way so that it doesn’t jump out when cut to from the security camera footage, but that’s just stylized for effect. It’s flashback. The only actual footage came from one security camera. > > Winter Soldier’s instructions were to acquire the blue raspberry Powerade from the trunk of Stark’s car and to leave no witnesses. No witnesses means that the Starks had to die and Winter Soldier, being a good Employee of the Month kind of a Winter Soldier, would also notice the presence of a security camera and incorporate his “No Witnesses” instructions to include smashing the camera and retrieving the videotape. ---
**Author:** ![Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/7cd45c/32.png) [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Elendil_s_Heir)\ **Post date:** [June 7, 2016, 6:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/captain-america-civil-war-seen-it-spoilers-ahoy/753317/377 "2016-06-07T18:34:26Z")
Thanks. Not convinced, but that’s as good an explanation as any. ---
**Author:** ![RikWriter](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/49beb7/32.png) [@RikWriter](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RikWriter)\ **Post date:** [June 7, 2016, 6:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/captain-america-civil-war-seen-it-spoilers-ahoy/753317/378 "2016-06-07T18:54:11Z")
> [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](#): > > Thanks. Not convinced, but that’s as good an explanation as any. It’s what I thought the first time I saw it in the theater. ---
**Author:** ![Stranger\_On\_A\_Train](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/13edae/32.png) [@Stranger\_On\_A\_Train](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Stranger_On_A_Train)\ **Post date:** [June 7, 2016, 11:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/captain-america-civil-war-seen-it-spoilers-ahoy/753317/379 "2016-06-07T23:30:46Z")
> [@Little\_Nemo](#): > > I’m guessing Stark initiated a database of public incidents where there was evidence of super powers being used. And then he used other data bases to track down the individuals who were using them. SHIELD is, or at least was, keeping a list of “enhanced” and “gifted” people, and this seemed to be acknowledged by Scott Lang (“I know you know a lot of super people; thanks for thinking of me!”) Stark’s Avengers organization is presumably doing the same thing. Stranger ---
**Author:** ![Chronos](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chronos/32/134_2.png) [@Chronos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chronos)\ **Post date:** [June 7, 2016, 11:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/captain-america-civil-war-seen-it-spoilers-ahoy/753317/380 "2016-06-07T23:35:38Z")
I finally saw it a few days ago. It wasn’t as good as _The Avengers_, but it was still plenty good, and for much the same reason: They managed to have a huge cast, all of whom still had a fair share of screentime and character focus. I mean, can you name any other film which manages to do so much with a full dozen different main characters? Though I’ll agree that it wasn’t really a Captain America movie. I mean, in the end, it’s Black Panther who resolves the problem, not Cap. And I have no problem with Stark recruiting Parker. Don’t think of him as a fifteen-year-old kid; think of him as the second-strongest human being on the planet. Which, so far as I know (not having seen Agents of Shield), he pretty much is, and the whereabouts of the strongest are unknown. ---
**Author:** ![Miller](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/miller/32/481_2.png) [@Miller](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Miller)\ **Post date:** [June 8, 2016, 12:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/captain-america-civil-war-seen-it-spoilers-ahoy/753317/381 "2016-06-08T00:28:06Z")
> [@Stranger\_On\_A\_Train](#): > > SHIELD is, or at least was, keeping a list of “enhanced” and “gifted” people, and this seemed to be acknowledged by Scott Lang (“I know you know a lot of super people; thanks for thinking of me!”) Stark’s Avengers organization is presumably doing the same thing. > > Stranger Apparently, not just SHIELD. The woman Falcon meets on the park bench at the end of _Ant-Man_ seemed to knew about him, too, and I don’t hink she was with SHIELD. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/captain-america-civil-war-seen-it-spoilers-ahoy/753317.md?page=18) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/captain-america-civil-war-seen-it-spoilers-ahoy/753317.md?page=20)