# Captain America: Civil War - Seen it! \[spoilers ahoy\] **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [April 28, 2016, 8:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/captain-america-civil-war-seen-it-spoilers-ahoy/753317 "2016-04-28T08:07:32Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 8
**Author:** ![Grumman](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/43a26b/32.png) [@Grumman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Grumman)\ **Post date:** [May 10, 2016, 12:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/captain-america-civil-war-seen-it-spoilers-ahoy/753317/141 "2016-05-10T00:34:10Z")
> [@Zsofia](#): > > What I think is hilarious is that the Avengers (and you KNOW Steve reads the paper) were evidently rather surprised that a hundred and seventy something governments had signed on to a phone-book sized accord. Really? In, like, how long? Because if you told me five years, that I might believe. Maybe. But one does think it would make the Times, if not the front page. Especially since Tony Stark has demonstrated superior intelligence-gathering capability to the US government, trumping ominous satellite imagery by hacking the Senate’s computers to show his enemies’ embarrassing home videos. ---
**Author:** ![AK84](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/85e7bf/32.png) [@AK84](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AK84)\ **Post date:** [May 10, 2016, 3:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/captain-america-civil-war-seen-it-spoilers-ahoy/753317/142 "2016-05-10T03:42:13Z")
I do wonder though about Steve Roger’s hesitation. In this continuity, he had legitimately been a Captain in the Army, why would he disapprove of having a Command structure. ---
**Author:** ![Stranger\_On\_A\_Train](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/13edae/32.png) [@Stranger\_On\_A\_Train](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Stranger_On_A_Train)\ **Post date:** [May 10, 2016, 5:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/captain-america-civil-war-seen-it-spoilers-ahoy/753317/143 "2016-05-10T05:32:40Z")
Because the last “command structure” he reported to turned out to be the very entity he was enhanced to fight against. Stranger ---
**Author:** ![Push\_You\_Down](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/push_you_down/32/9095_2.png) [@Push\_You\_Down](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Push_You_Down)\ **Post date:** [May 10, 2016, 6:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/captain-america-civil-war-seen-it-spoilers-ahoy/753317/144 "2016-05-10T06:13:02Z")
> [@Reluctant\_A](#): > > I am also annoyed with the use of Zemo, but not for the same reasons: I continue to be of the opinion that Marvel left money on the table by jumping straight to Ultron and, after that, straight (relatively speaking) to Thanos, without first pitting the Avengers against the Masters of Evil. I think the villain progression has been fine. I do think they have a viable Masters of Evil with surviving villains and concepts. I kind of expect Thanos to create a first assault based on them in Infinity War pt 1. Red Skull, Abomination, Justin Hammer (maybe with a stolen or bootleg Iron Monger suit), the real Mandarin, and Nebula. Introduce a new Thor villain like Skurge and/or Enchantress and you’re good to go. ---
**Author:** ![Quimby](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/q/22d042/32.png) [@Quimby](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Quimby)\ **Post date:** [May 10, 2016, 12:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/captain-america-civil-war-seen-it-spoilers-ahoy/753317/145 "2016-05-10T12:01:29Z")
I think there’s a middle ground between the politicians tell the Avengers what to do and the Avengers do whatever they want and the right answer leans more towards the Tony Stark position. At the very least it isn’t unreasonable to have a document that countries sign that says they are cool with the Avengers operating in their territory. ---
**Author:** ![muldoonthief](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/muldoonthief/32/3188_2.png) [@muldoonthief](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/muldoonthief)\ **Post date:** [May 10, 2016, 12:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/captain-america-civil-war-seen-it-spoilers-ahoy/753317/146 "2016-05-10T12:01:44Z")
> [@AK84](#): > > I do wonder though about Steve Roger’s hesitation. In this continuity, he had legitimately been a Captain in the Army, why would he disapprove of having a Command structure. His first combat mission in this continuity was as a result of disobeying a direct order from a superior officer. He’s practically as bad as Tony at taking orders. ---
**Author:** ![Johnny\_Bravo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnny_bravo/32/493_2.png) [@Johnny\_Bravo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_Bravo)\ **Post date:** [May 10, 2016, 12:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/captain-america-civil-war-seen-it-spoilers-ahoy/753317/147 "2016-05-10T12:48:54Z")
I didn’t like that Cap didn’t know what to do until he went to Peggy’s funeral. The whole thing was an awful bludgeon and, beyond that, Cap is the **last** hero in the pantheon who should need to be reminded of his ideals. ---
**Author:** ![bienville](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/4bbf92/32.png) [@bienville](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bienville)\ **Post date:** [May 10, 2016, 12:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/captain-america-civil-war-seen-it-spoilers-ahoy/753317/148 "2016-05-10T12:49:00Z")
Just now remembering that Scarlet Witch has _mind control powers_ that she didn’t use at all in this movie! Perfect non-lethal tactic when doing battle with friends. She must have just _really_ wanted to throw cars at people. Reminder to self: before leaving car at airport, check to see if “Thrown across a tarmac by Scarlet Witch with little or no strategic purpose” is covered by my insurance. ---
**Author:** ![El\_Kabong](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/el_kabong/32/496_2.png) [@El\_Kabong](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/El_Kabong)\ **Post date:** [May 10, 2016, 12:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/captain-america-civil-war-seen-it-spoilers-ahoy/753317/149 "2016-05-10T12:55:28Z")
> [@Zsofia](#): > > What I think is hilarious is that the Avengers (and you KNOW Steve reads the paper) were evidently rather surprised that a hundred and seventy something governments had signed on to a phone-book sized accord. Really? In, like, how long? Because if you told me five years, that I might believe. Maybe. But one does think it would make the Times, if not the front page. Meaningless nitpick: the movie states 117 countries; according to Wiki there are currently 196 declared countries in the world, so more apparently declined to join the accord than one might think. I wonder where Latveria stands on that issue. ---
**Author:** ![levdrakon](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/49beb7/32.png) [@levdrakon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/levdrakon)\ **Post date:** [May 10, 2016, 12:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/captain-america-civil-war-seen-it-spoilers-ahoy/753317/150 "2016-05-10T12:57:25Z")
> [@Quimby](#): > > I think there’s a middle ground between the politicians tell the Avengers what to do and the Avengers do whatever they want and the right answer leans more towards the Tony Stark position. At the very least it isn’t unreasonable to have a document that countries sign that says they are cool with the Avengers operating in their territory. Sure, but what happens when aliens who pose a threat to the whole planet show up in a country with a “no Avengers” policy? A government controlled team would have to stand down, but autonomous heros can say “screw that.” ---
**Author:** ![Alessan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/alessan/32/465_2.png) [@Alessan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Alessan)\ **Post date:** [May 10, 2016, 12:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/captain-america-civil-war-seen-it-spoilers-ahoy/753317/151 "2016-05-10T12:59:14Z")
> [@bienville](#): > > Just now remembering that Scarlet Witch has _mind control powers_ that she didn’t use at all in this movie! > Perfect non-lethal tactic when doing battle with friends. She must have just _really_ wanted to throw cars at people. Bear in mind that her mind control powers require that she sneak up behind someone and wiggle her fingers at their head. Hard to do that to people who know it’s coming. ---
**Author:** ![El\_Kabong](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/el_kabong/32/496_2.png) [@El\_Kabong](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/El_Kabong)\ **Post date:** [May 10, 2016, 1:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/captain-america-civil-war-seen-it-spoilers-ahoy/753317/152 "2016-05-10T13:05:19Z")
Missed edit window: I enjoyed the movie overall, but did anyone have a problem with the 3D creating an annoying strobing effect in scenes with a lot of action? I about went crosseyed during the big airport fight. Also, admittedly trivial but the Audi product placement was hilariously blatant. ---
**Author:** ![Reluctant\_A](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/839c29/32.png) [@Reluctant\_A](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Reluctant_A)\ **Post date:** [May 10, 2016, 2:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/captain-america-civil-war-seen-it-spoilers-ahoy/753317/153 "2016-05-10T14:20:37Z")
> [@El\_Kabong](#): > > Also, admittedly trivial but the Audi product placement was hilariously blatant. Considering how many “cross promotion” Audi commercials I’ve seen in the last month, I’d have been disappointed if it wasn’t. I’m mildly vexed that they weren’t all sitting around eating Pizza Hut during that scene where they were discussing whether to sign the accords or not. ---
**Author:** ![JSexton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/96bed5/32.png) [@JSexton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JSexton)\ **Post date:** [May 10, 2016, 2:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/captain-america-civil-war-seen-it-spoilers-ahoy/753317/154 "2016-05-10T14:43:14Z")
> [@Alessan](#): > > Bear in mind that her mind control powers require that she sneak up behind someone and wiggle her fingers at their head. Hard to do that to people who know it’s coming. She got the drop on Black Widow pretty easily. Probably would have been better than throwing her spine-first into a landing gantry. ---
**Author:** ![Stranger\_On\_A\_Train](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/13edae/32.png) [@Stranger\_On\_A\_Train](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Stranger_On_A_Train)\ **Post date:** [May 10, 2016, 4:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/captain-america-civil-war-seen-it-spoilers-ahoy/753317/155 "2016-05-10T16:00:19Z")
She seems more able to suggest ideas to the unconscious than to directly control someone (e.g. gets Banner to lose his temper and Hulk out, but she doesn’t control him). Stranger ---
**Author:** ![bienville](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/4bbf92/32.png) [@bienville](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bienville)\ **Post date:** [May 11, 2016, 7:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/captain-america-civil-war-seen-it-spoilers-ahoy/753317/156 "2016-05-11T07:36:31Z")
I’m just saying that if I had had _my_ car parked at that airport, I’d have preferred that she mindfreak a few of her friends rather than throw my car at them. ---
**Author:** ![Nava](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/da6949/32.png) [@Nava](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Nava)\ **Post date:** [May 11, 2016, 7:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/captain-america-civil-war-seen-it-spoilers-ahoy/753317/157 "2016-05-11T07:52:53Z")
> [@Chihuahua](#): > > Yes, that is the problem. > > Wakanda is a wealthy, advanced nation on a continent synonymous with war, famine, disease, and weekly coups. I was always very ambivalent about Wakanda in the comics. Even for a genre that deals explicitly in power fantasies, Wakanda always felt like a load of BS to me. Eh, it’s sort of the anti-Latveria. Except for Doomy’s personal gizmos, Latveria is stuck in some sort of folksy feudal lalaland. > [@Johnny\_Bravo](#): > > I didn’t like that Cap didn’t know what to do until he went to Peggy’s funeral. The whole thing was an awful bludgeon and, beyond that, Cap is the **last** hero in the pantheon who should need to be reminded of his ideals. It’s similar to Cap 332 and 333, which IIRC are the first time he gave up the shield. He may not need to be reminded, but it’s a way to remind the public that his ideals are beyond and above any specific government. ---
**Author:** ![Boyo\_Jim](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/87869e/32.png) [@Boyo\_Jim](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Boyo_Jim)\ **Post date:** [May 11, 2016, 5:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/captain-america-civil-war-seen-it-spoilers-ahoy/753317/158 "2016-05-11T17:37:28Z")
The very concept of the film reminds me of _Abraham Lincoln: Vampire Slayer_. ---
**Author:** ![simster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/simster/32/1047_2.png) [@simster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/simster)\ **Post date:** [May 11, 2016, 5:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/captain-america-civil-war-seen-it-spoilers-ahoy/753317/159 "2016-05-11T17:58:45Z")
> [@Boyo\_Jim](#): > > The very concept of the film reminds me of _Abraham Lincoln: Vampire Slayer_. That’s going to require some explaining - ---
**Author:** ![AngelSoft](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/angelsoft/32/440_2.png) [@AngelSoft](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AngelSoft)\ **Post date:** [May 11, 2016, 6:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/captain-america-civil-war-seen-it-spoilers-ahoy/753317/160 "2016-05-11T18:10:08Z")
> [@simster](#): > > That’s going to require some explaining - Both were awesome films? Lol seriously though, I loved it. I really loved Spiderman’s actor. Normally, the idea of yet another reboot of him would just make me roll my eyes. But I’d actually go see it just because of him. My only question about Civil War though…How the hell would Captain America know about Bucky killing Tony’s parents? Everything in the movie made it seem like even getting the footage was some huge undertaking because the Russians had hidden it so well. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/captain-america-civil-war-seen-it-spoilers-ahoy/753317.md?page=7) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/captain-america-civil-war-seen-it-spoilers-ahoy/753317.md?page=9)