# Captain America: Civil War trailer **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [November 25, 2015, 12:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/captain-america-civil-war-trailer/738534 "2015-11-25T12:41:51Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 8
**Author:** ![Chronos](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chronos/32/134_2.png) [@Chronos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chronos)\ **Post date:** [March 12, 2016, 7:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/captain-america-civil-war-trailer/738534/141 "2016-03-12T19:33:15Z")
Wait, aren’t they Magneto’s kids, and isn’t he Romani? I know there was some reason he was heading for the Nazi concentration camps, at least. ---
**Author:** ![MrDibble](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mrdibble/32/114_2.png) [@MrDibble](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MrDibble)\ **Post date:** [March 12, 2016, 8:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/captain-america-civil-war-trailer/738534/142 "2016-03-12T20:30:18Z")
> [@Chronos](#): > > Wait, aren’t they Magneto’s kids, and isn’t he Romani? I know there was some reason he was heading for the Nazi concentration camps, at least. He’s Jewish, their _Mom_, Magda, was Romani. He did have a cover identity as a Rom (Sinte) when he met Xavier in Israel. ---
**Author:** ![silenus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/silenus/32/166_2.png) [@silenus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/silenus)\ **Post date:** [March 12, 2016, 8:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/captain-america-civil-war-trailer/738534/143 "2016-03-12T20:30:24Z")
Magneto is German-Jewish. He did, however, taken on a false Romani identity for a period. So Wanda and Pietro are half-Romani on their mother’s side. I had forgotten that. ---
**Author:** ![Raguleader](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/258eb7/32.png) [@Raguleader](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Raguleader)\ **Post date:** [March 12, 2016, 8:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/captain-america-civil-war-trailer/738534/144 "2016-03-12T20:34:14Z")
> [@msmith537](#): > > Iron Man, War Machine, Falcon, Ant Man - Guys in power armor. Put Piper in an Iron Man suit now she’s a “superhero”. Do you mean [Pepper Potts?](http://marvel.wikia.com/wiki/Virginia_Potts) Because yeah, that basically happens in a few continuities (and is alluded to in Iron Man 3, which has Pepper using Tony’s Iron armors a couple of times.) Actually, other folks using Stark technology for various aims is an ongoing theme of Tony Stark’s story arc, with both good guys and bad guys getting their hands on it and adapting it to their own uses. It’s clear that he’s well past being able to put the cat back into the bag, with other folks (Whiplash, Hammer, Iron Monger, the US government, North Korea, etc.) all trying to go down paths that they now know exist thanks to Tony’s efforts and flair for theatrics. That’s why so many of his villains tend to be people he or his either wronged in the past (Whiplash, Killian) or failed to keep in check due to carelessness (Iron Monger). Tony is likely to spend the rest of his life trying to fix his own mistakes because he is at heart kind of a selfish short-sighted prick, even if he means well from time to time. Ultron was just the most literal example of Tony creating his own villains. ---
**Author:** ![DrDeth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b487fb/32.png) [@DrDeth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrDeth)\ **Post date:** [March 12, 2016, 8:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/captain-america-civil-war-trailer/738534/145 "2016-03-12T20:35:20Z")
> [@Miller](#): > > Yes. And? Ah so then you line: \*“But, really, the biggest problem with this interpretation is that it gives you a book that’s supposed to be about race, that features an entirely \*white cast…” mean that you think that only dark skinned people can have issues with race? 😕 Romani are not persecuted based on their race? 😕 Early Xmen didnt have a Black person, yes, but the comic wasnt really about race so much then. They had persecuted minorities, but didnt have a Black person until it became popular and the theme changed. So, your line is incorrect. Once the comic was about race they had a Black team-mate and they always had minorities. ---
**Author:** ![Miller](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/miller/32/481_2.png) [@Miller](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Miller)\ **Post date:** [March 12, 2016, 8:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/captain-america-civil-war-trailer/738534/146 "2016-03-12T20:36:14Z")
Quicksilver and Scarlet Witch’s parentage is a continuity snarl of nearly Hawkman proportions. It’s retconned constantly. Right now, neither of them are related to Magneto, but like the weather, if you wait a while, it’ll change again. ---
**Author:** ![DrDeth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b487fb/32.png) [@DrDeth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrDeth)\ **Post date:** [March 12, 2016, 8:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/captain-america-civil-war-trailer/738534/147 "2016-03-12T20:38:20Z")
> [@silenus](#): > > No they weren’t. Not ever. At one time they were raised by a Romani couple, but they were never Romani by blood. Even **that** was a retcon from the 90s. > **[Magda Eisenhardt (Earth-616)](https://marvel.fandom.com/wiki/Magda_Eisenhardt_(Earth-616))** > > 19 appearance(s) of Magda Eisenhardt (Earth-616) 10 minor appearance(s) of Magda Eisenhardt (Earth-616) 10 mention(s) of Magda Eisenhardt (Earth-616) 3 mention(s) in handbook(s) of Magda Eisenhardt (Earth-616) 13 image(s) of Magda Eisenhardt... ---
**Author:** ![DrDeth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b487fb/32.png) [@DrDeth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrDeth)\ **Post date:** [March 12, 2016, 8:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/captain-america-civil-war-trailer/738534/148 "2016-03-12T20:39:25Z")
> [@Miller](#): > > Quicksilver and Scarlet Witch’s parentage is a continuity snarl of nearly Hawkman proportions. It’s retconned constantly. Right now, neither of them are related to Magneto, but like the weather, if you wait a while, it’ll change again. Yes, I’ll give you that, it’s a Marvel thing where the names stay the same, but the characters change\* a lot. \* :smack: ---
**Author:** ![Chronos](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chronos/32/134_2.png) [@Chronos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chronos)\ **Post date:** [March 12, 2016, 9:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/captain-america-civil-war-trailer/738534/149 "2016-03-12T21:37:05Z")
To be fair, most of the current retconning is probably just because the MCU doesn’t have the rights to anything connected to the X-Men or mutants, and the comic books are staying aligned with the elephant made out of cash in the room. ---
**Author:** ![The\_Man\_In\_Black](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/bcef8e/32.png) [@The\_Man\_In\_Black](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Man_In_Black)\ **Post date:** [March 12, 2016, 10:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/captain-america-civil-war-trailer/738534/150 "2016-03-12T22:38:13Z")
> [@Miller](#): > > Quicksilver and Scarlet Witch’s parentage is a continuity snarl of nearly Hawkman proportions. It’s retconned constantly. **Right now, neither of them are related to Magneto** , but like the weather, if you wait a while, it’ll change again. It would really be something if it turned out that one of them was related to Magneto. 😃 ---
**Author:** ![Chronos](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chronos/32/134_2.png) [@Chronos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chronos)\ **Post date:** [March 12, 2016, 11:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/captain-america-civil-war-trailer/738534/151 "2016-03-12T23:50:49Z")
Hey, if Heinlein can write a story about twins who aren’t related to each other, anything’s fair game. ---
**Author:** ![Ike\_Witt](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ike_witt/32/283_2.png) [@Ike\_Witt](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ike_Witt)\ **Post date:** [March 12, 2016, 11:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/captain-america-civil-war-trailer/738534/152 "2016-03-12T23:54:20Z")
I just saw that Marisa Tomei is supposed to be playing Aunt Mae…Holy Shit that makes me feel old. ---
**Author:** ![WotNot](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/e19b73/32.png) [@WotNot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/WotNot)\ **Post date:** [March 13, 2016, 12:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/captain-america-civil-war-trailer/738534/153 "2016-03-13T00:19:29Z")
> [@Ike\_Witt](#): > > I just saw that Marisa Tomei is supposed to be playing Aunt Mae…Holy Shit that makes me feel old. How do you think it makes her feel? ---
**Author:** ![The\_Other\_Waldo\_Pepper](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/the_other_waldo_pepper/32/12370_2.png) [@The\_Other\_Waldo\_Pepper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Other_Waldo_Pepper)\ **Post date:** [March 13, 2016, 12:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/captain-america-civil-war-trailer/738534/154 "2016-03-13T00:51:50Z")
> [@WotNot](#): > > How do you think it makes her feel? That’s a bullshit question! It’s IMPOSSIBLE ta answer! It is a TRICK question! ---
**Author:** ![CGav8r](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/34f0e0/32.png) [@CGav8r](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CGav8r)\ **Post date:** [March 13, 2016, 2:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/captain-america-civil-war-trailer/738534/155 "2016-03-13T02:49:09Z")
> [@WotNot](#): > > How do you think it makes her feel? I’d love to find out first hand how she feels. ---
**Author:** ![Miller](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/miller/32/481_2.png) [@Miller](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Miller)\ **Post date:** [March 13, 2016, 5:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/captain-america-civil-war-trailer/738534/156 "2016-03-13T05:38:15Z")
> [@DrDeth](#): > > Ah so then you line: \*“But, really, the biggest problem with this interpretation is that it gives you a book that’s supposed to be about race, that features an entirely \*white cast…” mean that you think that only dark skinned people can have issues with race? 😕 Romani are not persecuted based on their race? 😕 No, it means that the X-Men during the period under discussion did not feature any non-white characters. > [@](#): > > Early Xmen didnt have a Black person, yes, but the comic wasnt really about race so much then. They had persecuted minorities, but didnt have a Black person until it became popular and the theme changed. And guess which period I’m talking about? That’s right - _early X-Men_. When the cast was entirely white. That aside, you’re incorrect when you say that it didn’t have any black characters until it became popular. _X-Men_ was basically a dead book when Claremont took over writing it. It was still being published, but it was all reprints with no new material. The first thing Claremont did was replace almost the entire cast, save Cyclops and Jean Grey, and replace them with a multi-national, multi-ethnic team. At which point, it _became_ popular. > [@](#): > > So, your line is incorrect. Once the comic was about race they had a Black team-mate and they always had minorities. No, my line was correct, because - again - I was specifically responding to a claim that the X-Men were about race from the very beginning. So, mentioning Storm is irrelevant, because she wasn’t on the team until the '70s. Quicksilver and Scarlet Witch don’t count, because they were neither on the team, nor identified as Romani until the late '70s. And \*pace \ ***Chronos** , Nightcrawler and Beast don’t count, because the former wasn’t on the team until the '70s, and the latter didn’t turn blue until the '70s. ---
**Author:** ![desertmonk](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/898d66/32.png) [@desertmonk](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/desertmonk)\ **Post date:** [March 13, 2016, 11:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/captain-america-civil-war-trailer/738534/157 "2016-03-13T11:53:47Z")
> [@CGav8r](#): > > I’d love to find out first hand how she feels. +1 ---
**Author:** ![DrDeth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b487fb/32.png) [@DrDeth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrDeth)\ **Post date:** [March 13, 2016, 7:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/captain-america-civil-war-trailer/738534/158 "2016-03-13T19:12:13Z")
> [@Miller](#): > > No, my line was correct, because - again - I was specifically responding to a claim that the X-Men were about race from the very beginning. So, mentioning Storm is irrelevant, because she wasn’t on the team until the '70s. Quicksilver and Scarlet Witch don’t count, because they were neither on the team, nor identified as Romani until the late '70s. And \*pace \ ***Chronos** , Nightcrawler and Beast don’t count, because the former wasn’t on the team until the '70s, and the latter didn’t turn blue until the '70s. Ah, so you took the line “was about race since it was first published” too literally and pedantically and thus wasted post after post saying “Yes. And?”. Nice, and \*so very \*helpful and useful in this discussion.:rolleyes: ---
**Author:** ![Miller](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/miller/32/481_2.png) [@Miller](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Miller)\ **Post date:** [March 13, 2016, 10:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/captain-america-civil-war-trailer/738534/159 "2016-03-13T22:54:38Z")
Hey, it’s not my fault you never learned to read for context. Go take it up with your middle school teachers. ---
**Author:** ![Raguleader](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/258eb7/32.png) [@Raguleader](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Raguleader)\ **Post date:** [March 13, 2016, 11:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/captain-america-civil-war-trailer/738534/160 "2016-03-13T23:35:59Z")
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