# Captain Marvel Movie (The Marvel one) **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [September 18, 2018, 1:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/captain-marvel-movie-the-marvel-one/821533 "2018-09-18T13:32:13Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![DigitalC](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ebca7d/32.png) [@DigitalC](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DigitalC)\ **Post date:** [September 18, 2018, 8:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/captain-marvel-movie-the-marvel-one/821533/21 "2018-09-18T20:37:29Z")
Yeah, at this point Marvel is making movies starring super heroes, not super hero movies. ---
**Author:** ![Intergalactic\_Gladiator](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/intergalactic_gladiator/32/112_2.png) [@Intergalactic\_Gladiator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Intergalactic_Gladiator)\ **Post date:** [September 18, 2018, 8:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/captain-marvel-movie-the-marvel-one/821533/22 "2018-09-18T20:38:40Z")
IO9 has a breakdown of the trailer: > **[All the Cosmic Secrets We Uncovered in the Stunning Captain Marvel Trailer](https://gizmodo.com/all-the-cosmic-secrets-we-uncovered-in-the-stunning-cap-1829143121)** > > It’s here! Captain Marvel has finally landed, before immediately blasting off again with a fantastic looking first trailer. Aside from looking great, the trailer also gives us our first good look at both the cosmic and earthly lives of Carol Danvers,... ---
**Author:** ![MrDibble](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mrdibble/32/114_2.png) [@MrDibble](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MrDibble)\ **Post date:** [September 18, 2018, 9:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/captain-marvel-movie-the-marvel-one/821533/23 "2018-09-18T21:41:36Z")
Well, I’m stoked. As is my teen daughter. > [@The\_Other\_Waldo\_Pepper](#): > > there’s just a looming ‘seriousness’ to it. I thought the part where she punched an old lady was _hilarious_. I hope it turns out she wasn’t even a Skrull. ---
**Author:** ![DigitalC](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ebca7d/32.png) [@DigitalC](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DigitalC)\ **Post date:** [September 18, 2018, 10:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/captain-marvel-movie-the-marvel-one/821533/24 "2018-09-18T22:00:20Z")
> [@MrDibble](#): > > Well, I’m stoked. As is my teen daughter. > > I thought the part where she punched an old lady was _hilarious_. I hope it turns out she wasn’t even a Skrull. Specially since it came right after “find out what makes her a hero”. ---
**Author:** ![thelurkinghorror](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/7c8e57/32.png) [@thelurkinghorror](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/thelurkinghorror)\ **Post date:** [September 18, 2018, 10:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/captain-marvel-movie-the-marvel-one/821533/25 "2018-09-18T22:04:46Z")
> [@Jophiel](#): > > That’s my thinking. On the other hand, if I want to second-guess myself, both GotG and Ant-Man were played more for fun. I enjoyed the more “serious” (such as a Marvel movie can be) Dr Strange less. I’m guessing this will be played (again, relatively) straight. > > But, if I want to second-guess my second-guessing, my understanding is that Black Panther was played straight (still haven’t seen it) and everyone seems to think that movie was the best thing since pumpkin spice. > > In the end, I’ll see it either because my wife will make me go to the theater or I’ll see it at home. I’m sure I don’t resent the time I spend seeing it but I’m not excited right now either. Yeah, I didn’t know Ant-Man from Adam Ant either. Still pretty good, I watched IW last night so I’m all caught up to everything but Ant-Man 2. BP is one of the more serious ones (especially coming off of Ragnarok). Serkis does a lot of scenery-chewing humor, and most of the humor is a little dry except for maybe BP’s sister. I don’t think it deserved all the accolades but is still very good, just top 10 not #1. ---
**Author:** ![Quimby](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/q/22d042/32.png) [@Quimby](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Quimby)\ **Post date:** [September 18, 2018, 10:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/captain-marvel-movie-the-marvel-one/821533/26 "2018-09-18T22:15:38Z")
> [@RikWriter](#): > > Yeah, sorry, that’s clearly not true. Critically, their movies since Avengers have done much better than the ones before, and if Avengers made more money it was because it was the first of its kind on film and people went to see it 6-7 times in the theater. The Phase 2 and 3 movies made MUCH more money than the Phase 1 movies, with the exception of Avengers: Age of Ultron not quite reaching Avengers level. I’m sorry but that isn’t true. The only non Avenger Marvel movies to make more than the original Iron Man are: Black Panther, both GotG movies, Spider-Man, Civil War and Iron Man 3 (who knew? I really like IM3 but it has a reputation of being bad, not IM 2 bad but bad). And Spider-Man and the first GotG just barely beat it by about 20 million. Until this year The Avengers was the top by by about $150 million. Creatively I enjoy a lot of what has come out since The Avengers (Winter Solider is my favorite Marvel movie besides The Avengers) but I think any poll done of both casual fans and comic book news would say the Avengers is the best of the MCU. ---
**Author:** ![Colibri](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/colibri/32/1841_2.png) [@Colibri](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Colibri)\ **Post date:** [September 18, 2018, 10:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/captain-marvel-movie-the-marvel-one/821533/27 "2018-09-18T22:34:42Z")
> [@thelurkinghorror](#): > > I know very little about this character though it didn’t stop GotG from being enjoyable. Same here. They were developed more than a decade after I stopped reading comics, so I know almost nothing about them - unlike almost all the rest of the Marvel characters, who I am familiar with after having reading them as a kid. (This can be unsettling when a character I knew from _Sgt. Nick Fury and His Howling Commandos_ ends up being re-imagined.) The upside of this is that I can’t be disappointed. On the other hand, my main motivation in seeing it is that it’s assumed she will have a lot to do with the resolution of the last _Avengers_ movie. ---
**Author:** ![kenobi\_65](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kenobi_65/32/13178_2.png) [@kenobi\_65](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kenobi_65)\ **Post date:** [September 18, 2018, 10:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/captain-marvel-movie-the-marvel-one/821533/28 "2018-09-18T22:47:51Z")
> [@Colibri](#): > > Same here. They were developed more than a decade after I stopped reading comics, so I know almost nothing about them - unlike almost all the rest of the Marvel characters, who I am familiar with after having reading them as a kid. (This can be unsettling when a character I knew from _Sgt. Nick Fury and His Howling Commandos_ ends up being re-imagined.) The funny thing is that Carol Danvers, as a character, probably _does_ date from the time when you were reading comic books. She’s had a terribly convoluted history in the Marvel Universe. Danvers started out as a supporting character in the late 1960s, in stories with Marvel’s first Captain Marvel (who was a Kree). She wound up with superpowers related to that Captain Marvel, and had her own title (Ms. Marvel) for a while in the late 1970s. She eventually lost her powers (and at least some of her memory) to the X-Man Rogue, whose power let her temporarily “borrow” others’ powers and memories – but, in this case, it became permanent, and it’s where Rogue’s powers of flight and super-strength came from. Danvers then got a different set of superpowers from the alien Brood, and became the superhero Binary (circa 1982), before later taking the name Warbird, and then going back to Ms. Marvel for a while. It looks like she started appearing as Captain Marvel around 2012. ---
**Author:** ![Two\_Many\_Cats](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/8dc957/32.png) [@Two\_Many\_Cats](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Two_Many_Cats)\ **Post date:** [September 18, 2018, 10:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/captain-marvel-movie-the-marvel-one/821533/29 "2018-09-18T22:54:24Z")
If they wanted a strong female main character they should’ve made a Mighty Isis movie. Even I would’ve gone to see that. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [September 18, 2018, 10:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/captain-marvel-movie-the-marvel-one/821533/30 "2018-09-18T22:58:36Z")
Looks awesome! ---
**Author:** ![thelurkinghorror](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/7c8e57/32.png) [@thelurkinghorror](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/thelurkinghorror)\ **Post date:** [September 18, 2018, 11:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/captain-marvel-movie-the-marvel-one/821533/31 "2018-09-18T23:01:10Z")
> [@Colibri](#): > > Same here. They were developed more than a decade after I stopped reading comics, so I know almost nothing about them - unlike almost all the rest of the Marvel characters, who I am familiar with after having reading them as a kid. (This can be unsettling when a character I knew from _Sgt. Nick Fury and His Howling Commandos_ ends up being re-imagined.) > > The upside of this is that I can’t be disappointed. On the other hand, my main motivation in seeing it is that it’s assumed she will have a lot to do with the resolution of the last _Avengers_ movie. GotG started in 1969, but they were a very different team. Yondu, who was less of a space redneck in the comics as I understand it, plus Sylvester Stallone’s group. The 2008 team’s characters were older (e.g. Star Lord 1976) but pretty obscure. ---
**Author:** ![Miller](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/miller/32/481_2.png) [@Miller](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Miller)\ **Post date:** [September 18, 2018, 11:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/captain-marvel-movie-the-marvel-one/821533/32 "2018-09-18T23:05:28Z")
> [@MrDibble](#): > > I thought the part where she punched an old lady was _hilarious_. I hope it turns out she wasn’t even a Skrull. Turns out she’s a Dire Wraith. They have a good laugh over the mix up, then the old lady is disintegrated [by a guy dressed as a toaster.](https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcSR91uuNwRXGlVhHQRwuJM7hTMjoSp-3OzGASsWpK-uFIFn8TICpw) ---
**Author:** ![Chronos](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chronos/32/134_2.png) [@Chronos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chronos)\ **Post date:** [September 18, 2018, 11:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/captain-marvel-movie-the-marvel-one/821533/33 "2018-09-18T23:15:50Z")
So, can anyone give a rundown of just what powers she has? Or at least, a best guess as to what she would have, in this continuity? So far, all I’ve got is that she wears a leather costume, she has electrical VFX, and she punches old ladies. ---
**Author:** ![Alpha\_Twit](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/alpha_twit/32/265_2.png) [@Alpha\_Twit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Alpha_Twit)\ **Post date:** [September 18, 2018, 11:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/captain-marvel-movie-the-marvel-one/821533/34 "2018-09-18T23:22:36Z")
> [@Chronos](#): > > So, can anyone give a rundown of just what powers she has? Or at least, a best guess as to what she would have, in this continuity? So far, all I’ve got is that she wears a leather costume, she has electrical VFX, and she punches old ladies. If memory holds, super strength in the fifteen ton range, flight, enhanced durability (basic FISS pack), energy projection from her hands (I think concussive bolt but don’t quote me on that.), and “Cosmic Awareness”. Vaguely defined - basically it boils down to that she knows whatever she needs to know, when she needs to know it. ---
**Author:** ![Chronos](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chronos/32/134_2.png) [@Chronos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chronos)\ **Post date:** [September 18, 2018, 11:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/captain-marvel-movie-the-marvel-one/821533/35 "2018-09-18T23:24:28Z")
> [@](#): > > If memory holds, super strength in the fifteen ton range, flight, enhanced durability (basic FISS pack)… So what’s her number? ---
**Author:** ![Alpha\_Twit](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/alpha_twit/32/265_2.png) [@Alpha\_Twit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Alpha_Twit)\ **Post date:** [September 18, 2018, 11:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/captain-marvel-movie-the-marvel-one/821533/36 "2018-09-18T23:31:49Z")
> [@Chronos](#): > > So what’s her number? She was prominent back in the early seventies so she was well before PS238. ---
**Author:** ![Banquet\_Bear](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/banquet_bear/32/373_2.png) [@Banquet\_Bear](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Banquet_Bear)\ **Post date:** [September 18, 2018, 11:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/captain-marvel-movie-the-marvel-one/821533/37 "2018-09-18T23:35:01Z")
> [@Quimby](#): > > I’m sorry but that isn’t true. …umm: > [@](#): > > The only non Avenger Marvel movies to make more than the original Iron Man are: > Black Panther, both GotG movies, Spider-Man, Civil War and Iron Man 3 (who knew? I really like IM3 but it has a reputation of being bad, not IM 2 bad but bad). And Spider-Man and the first GotG just barely beat it by about 20 million. > > Until this year The Avengers was the top by by about $150 million. Your claim was: > [@Quimby](#): > > Financially until Black Panther and Infinity war, their Box office peaked with the first Avengers six years ago. You never set the benchmark as “the original Iron Man.” You claimed the box office had peaked: that clearly isn’t the case, and the person who makes the case that this isn’t the case is you. > [@](#): > > Creatively I enjoy a lot of what has come out since The Avengers (Winter Solider is my favorite Marvel movie besides The Avengers) but I think any poll done of both casual fans and comic book news would say the Avengers is the best of the MCU. [Black Panther tops the Tomato meter.](https://editorial.rottentomatoes.com/article/marvel-cinematic-universe-movies-by-tomatometer/) Iron Man second, Thor Ragnorok third. Some other rankings: > **[Every Marvel Cinematic Universe Movie, Ranked from Worst to Best](https://www.esquire.com/entertainment/movies/g13441903/all-marvel-cinematic-universe-movies-ranked/)** > > See where 'The Marvels' fits into our great sendup of the MCU's 33(!) films. [https://www.gamesradar.com/every-mcu-movie-ranked-from-worst-to-best/2/](https://www.gamesradar.com/every-mcu-movie-ranked-from-worst-to-best/2/) [https://www.businessinsider.com.au/all-marvel-cinematic-universe-movies-ranked-from-worst-to-best-2018-5?r=US&IR=T](https://www.businessinsider.com.au/all-marvel-cinematic-universe-movies-ranked-from-worst-to-best-2018-5?r=US&IR=T) > **[From Iron Man to Spider-Man: Far From Home: all 23 Marvel movies, ranked](https://www.vox.com/2019/4/30/18518196/best-marvel-movies-rankings-spider-man-far-from-home-avengers-endgame)** > > Marvel has 11 years of superhero movies under its belt. But which ones are the best? > **[Marvel Cinematic Universe Movies Ranked — From Worst to Best](https://variety.com/gallery/marvel-movies-ranked-worst-best-cinematic-universe/)** > > From "Iron Man" to "Avengers: Endgame," our film critics rank the Marvel Cinematic Universe films from worst to best. There are plenty more. I only found one that ranks the Avengers number 1 (I’m sure there are others.) My number one is Thor Ragnarok. Probably followed by the Ant Man movies and/or Spider-man, then maybe Winter Soldier. I liked the funny ones the most. Thats the great thing about the MCU (under Feige): they both have a formula but they aren’t constrained by the formula. Taika Waititi kept talking about how he expected to get fired from Ragnarok because he kept doing “his own thing” but the studio just said “no thats fine!” most of the time. And this interview with the writers of Infinity War (on the Fatman and Batman podcast with Kevin and Marc) gives an insight into why these movies are so good right now. While the writers were trying to break the story for the third Captain America movie, Feige broke the news that they were getting both the Civil War and Spider-man like [this](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fwI4N5-wQdo&feature=youtu.be&t=4882). (Warning NSFW language on the link, if you like Marvel movies its worth watching the whole thing) Can you imagine how fricken awesome it would be to have a boss that tells everyone you’ve got spider-man to play with by miming the web-shooter move and then walking away? Who wouldn’t want to work there? These are geeks: having the time of their lives making movies they wanna see themselves. That’s ultimately the Marvel formula and that’s why the DC movies (for the most part) continue to disappoint. You look at the Marvel writers, they are people like McFeely or Markus or Eric Pearson who wrote the Marvel One-shots or Craig Kyle who created an actual mutant for the comics and has been writing for Marvel on TV since 2003. Compare that to David S. Goyer, who has had a hand in writing most of the DC movies but IMHO he’s been writing with the same bleak vision since his screen-writing career began. As for Captain Marvel, I was a bit “meh” before the trailer, but after it? I’m all in. ---
**Author:** ![Colibri](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/colibri/32/1841_2.png) [@Colibri](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Colibri)\ **Post date:** [September 18, 2018, 11:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/captain-marvel-movie-the-marvel-one/821533/38 "2018-09-18T23:43:18Z")
> [@kenobi\_65](#): > > The funny thing is that Carol Danvers, as a character, probably _does_ date from the time when you were reading comic books. She’s had a terribly convoluted history in the Marvel Universe. > > Danvers started out as a supporting character in the late 1960s, in stories with Marvel’s first Captain Marvel (who was a Kree). > [@thelurkinghorror](#): > > GotG started in 1969, but they were a very different team. Yondu, who was less of a space redneck in the comics as I understand it, plus Sylvester Stallone’s group. The 2008 team’s characters were older (e.g. Star Lord 1976) but pretty obscure. I don’t think I was reading comics much by the time I was in high school (1965-1969). Anyway, I said they “were developed” more than a decade after I stopped reading them, by which I meant that they acquired the form they appear in in the current movies. I wasn’t very familiar with _Black Panther_ either, who first appeared in 1966, before seeing the movie. ---
**Author:** ![silenus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/silenus/32/166_2.png) [@silenus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/silenus)\ **Post date:** [September 19, 2018, 12:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/captain-marvel-movie-the-marvel-one/821533/39 "2018-09-19T00:07:45Z")
> [@Alpha\_Twit](#): > > If memory holds, super strength in the fifteen ton range, flight, enhanced durability (basic FISS pack), energy projection from her hands (I think concussive bolt but don’t quote me on that.), and “Cosmic Awareness”. Vaguely defined - basically it boils down to that she knows whatever she needs to know, when she needs to know it. Let us not forget her “Binary” powers, which it looks like they are using in the movie. That means basically tapping into the power of a white hole. We’re talking the power of a star. Feige wasn’t kidding when he calls her “the most powerful hero ever in the MCU.” ---
**Author:** ![Jophiel](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jophiel/32/66_2.png) [@Jophiel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jophiel)\ **Post date:** [September 19, 2018, 12:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/captain-marvel-movie-the-marvel-one/821533/40 "2018-09-19T00:59:56Z")
After seeing the trailer I’m… less interested? I watched it at work with the sound off but got around to seeing it “for real” and, eh. If it didn’t have the MCU label attached to it and was just Space Woman or something, I wouldn’t have any interest in it based on the trailer. Maybe the next trailer will give me something to be excited about. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/captain-marvel-movie-the-marvel-one/821533.md?page=1) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/captain-marvel-movie-the-marvel-one/821533.md?page=3)