# Captain Marvel Movie (The Marvel one) **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [September 18, 2018, 1:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/captain-marvel-movie-the-marvel-one/821533 "2018-09-18T13:32:13Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![RikWriter](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/49beb7/32.png) [@RikWriter](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RikWriter)\ **Post date:** [September 19, 2018, 2:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/captain-marvel-movie-the-marvel-one/821533/41 "2018-09-19T02:03:35Z")
> [@Quimby](#): > > I’m sorry but that isn’t true. The only non Avenger Marvel movies to make more than the original Iron Man are: > Black Panther, both GotG movies, Spider-Man, Civil War and Iron Man 3 (who knew? I really like IM3 but it has a reputation of being bad, not IM 2 bad but bad). And Spider-Man and the first GotG just barely beat it by about 20 million. > > Until this year The Avengers was the top by by about $150 million. > > Creatively I enjoy a lot of what has come out since The Avengers (Winter Solider is my favorite Marvel movie besides The Avengers) but I think any poll done of both casual fans and comic book news would say the Avengers is the best of the MCU. No, I don’t think it would. And “the only non-Avengers movies” followed by like 7 movies is not a convincing argument. ---
**Author:** ![Snowboarder\_Bo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snowboarder_bo/32/229_2.png) [@Snowboarder\_Bo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snowboarder_Bo)\ **Post date:** [September 19, 2018, 2:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/captain-marvel-movie-the-marvel-one/821533/42 "2018-09-19T02:46:49Z")
I don’t know the character at all but I’m very interested after watching the trailer. I wish Samuel Jackson wasn’t Nick Fury, tho, or that Nick Fury wasn’t involved in the story; I don’t care for him in the role. ---
**Author:** ![Quimby](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/q/22d042/32.png) [@Quimby](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Quimby)\ **Post date:** [September 19, 2018, 5:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/captain-marvel-movie-the-marvel-one/821533/43 "2018-09-19T17:24:43Z")
> [@Banquet\_Bear](#): > > You never set the benchmark as “the original Iron Man.” You claimed the box office had peaked: that clearly isn’t the case, and the person who makes the case that this isn’t the case is you. I was rebutting the assertion that the Phase 2 movies were more successful than the first Avengers. My point was not only was that not true (only the two movies released this year are more successful than the first Avengers), most of them were not even more successful than the movie that started the entire franchise. Until this year The Avengers was the highest grossing MCU movie by far. I think saying it was the peak is fair. I like the Marvel Movies, you don’t have to turn me in to the Gestapo for bad thoughts. I just find I’m getting bored by them. ---
**Author:** ![RikWriter](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/49beb7/32.png) [@RikWriter](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RikWriter)\ **Post date:** [September 19, 2018, 6:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/captain-marvel-movie-the-marvel-one/821533/44 "2018-09-19T18:30:43Z")
> [@Quimby](#): > > I was rebutting the assertion that the Phase 2 movies were more successful than the first Avengers. Well, you were TRYING to, but you didn’t actually succeed. ---
**Author:** ![Ukulele\_Ike](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/df788c/32.png) [@Ukulele\_Ike](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ukulele_Ike)\ **Post date:** [September 20, 2018, 1:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/captain-marvel-movie-the-marvel-one/821533/45 "2018-09-20T01:45:17Z")
Being a mere green belt as a Comic Book Nerd, not to mention an old guy, the only Captain Marvel movie I could get excited about would feature the Big Red Cheese. ---
**Author:** ![RikWriter](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/49beb7/32.png) [@RikWriter](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RikWriter)\ **Post date:** [September 20, 2018, 1:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/captain-marvel-movie-the-marvel-one/821533/46 "2018-09-20T01:46:40Z")
> [@Ukulele\_Ike](#): > > Being a mere green belt as a Comic Book Nerd, not to mention an old guy, the only Captain Marvel movie I could get excited about would feature the Big Red Cheese. > > [Captain Marvel (DC Comics) - Wikipedia](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Captain_Marvel_(DC_Comics)) He’s coming out the month after. ---
**Author:** ![Chronos](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chronos/32/134_2.png) [@Chronos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chronos)\ **Post date:** [September 20, 2018, 1:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/captain-marvel-movie-the-marvel-one/821533/47 "2018-09-20T01:49:08Z")
The automatic URL parser doesn’t work well with addresses that end with a parenthesis, which unfortunately includes a lot of Wikipedia pages. I’ve manually fixed it. ---
**Author:** ![Ukulele\_Ike](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/df788c/32.png) [@Ukulele\_Ike](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ukulele_Ike)\ **Post date:** [September 20, 2018, 1:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/captain-marvel-movie-the-marvel-one/821533/48 "2018-09-20T01:54:01Z")
While I’m going there, who can explain to me the point of creating a new character and giving her the same name as a famous Golden Age hero? Will they next introduce a hero who can blind villains with bursts of strong light, and call her the Flash? How hard would it have been to come up with an original name for this person? They could have called her…I dunno…Super-Girl or sumpin.’ ---
**Author:** ![Ukulele\_Ike](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/df788c/32.png) [@Ukulele\_Ike](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ukulele_Ike)\ **Post date:** [September 20, 2018, 1:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/captain-marvel-movie-the-marvel-one/821533/49 "2018-09-20T01:55:59Z")
> [@RikWriter](#): > > He’s coming out the month after. No fooling? Thank you for the info! Apt to cause a bit of con-FUSE-ion…mind if we call him “Captain Marvel” to keep it clee-uh? ---
**Author:** ![Ukulele\_Ike](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/df788c/32.png) [@Ukulele\_Ike](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ukulele_Ike)\ **Post date:** [September 20, 2018, 1:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/captain-marvel-movie-the-marvel-one/821533/50 "2018-09-20T01:57:39Z")
Thank you, **Chronos**. I just edited to delete the damn link as unnecessary. I figure anyone who opens this thread probably even could recite what all the letters in “Shazam” stand for. ---
**Author:** ![The\_Other\_Waldo\_Pepper](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/the_other_waldo_pepper/32/12370_2.png) [@The\_Other\_Waldo\_Pepper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Other_Waldo_Pepper)\ **Post date:** [September 20, 2018, 1:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/captain-marvel-movie-the-marvel-one/821533/51 "2018-09-20T01:58:37Z")
> [@Ukulele\_Ike](#): > > While I’m going there, who can explain to me the point of creating a new character and giving her the same name as a famous Golden Age hero? Will they next introduce a hero who can blind villains with bursts of strong light, and call her the Flash? > > How hard would it have been to come up with an original name for this person? They could have called her…I dunno…Super-Girl or sumpin.’ As I understand it, that was the point: DC got the rights to the existing character; but given how long it was when that name wasn’t vigorously getting put out there, Marvel realized they could stake a claim by introducing an all-new all-different Cap; and, as a result, DC lost the ability to put a CAPTAIN MARVEL comic out there, and had to start trying to make “Shazam” happen. ---
**Author:** ![Darren\_Garrison](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/darren_garrison/32/92_2.png) [@Darren\_Garrison](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Darren_Garrison)\ **Post date:** [September 20, 2018, 2:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/captain-marvel-movie-the-marvel-one/821533/52 "2018-09-20T02:06:19Z")
> [@Snowboarder\_Bo](#): > > I don’t know the character at all but I’m very interested after watching the trailer. I mostly know of the character from my comic-reading childhood as [the person that Rouge sucked her strength and invunerability out of](https://www.cbr.com/captain-marvel-origin-rogue-x-men/2/). ---
**Author:** ![Ukulele\_Ike](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/df788c/32.png) [@Ukulele\_Ike](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ukulele_Ike)\ **Post date:** [September 20, 2018, 2:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/captain-marvel-movie-the-marvel-one/821533/53 "2018-09-20T02:06:28Z")
Thanks, **TOWP**. And shame on DC for trying to bury this great character, AGAIN. I really enjoyed Cap’s occasional appearances on the animated Justice League series… Batman: “Where’s the Boy Scout?” Superman: “I thought _I_ was the Boy Scout.” Batman: “That was before I met _him.”_ ---
**Author:** ![planetcory](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/planetcory/32/1032_2.png) [@planetcory](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/planetcory)\ **Post date:** [September 20, 2018, 2:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/captain-marvel-movie-the-marvel-one/821533/54 "2018-09-20T02:08:32Z")
> [@Ukulele\_Ike](#): > > While I’m going there, who can explain to me the point of creating a new character and giving her the same name as a famous Golden Age hero? Will they next introduce a hero who can blind villains with bursts of strong light, and call her the Flash? > > How hard would it have been to come up with an original name for this person? They could have called her…I dunno…Super-Girl or sumpin.’ Marvel’s Captain Marvel isn’t particularly new. The character has been around in some iteration or other since the 60’s. ---
**Author:** ![galen\_ubal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/galen_ubal/32/4440_2.png) [@galen\_ubal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/galen_ubal)\ **Post date:** [September 20, 2018, 2:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/captain-marvel-movie-the-marvel-one/821533/55 "2018-09-20T02:14:04Z")
> [@Ukulele\_Ike](#): > > While I’m going there, who can explain to me the point of creating a new character and giving her the same name as a famous Golden Age hero? Will they next introduce a hero who can blind villains with bursts of strong light, and call her the Flash? > > How hard would it have been to come up with an original name for this person? They could have called her…I dunno…Super-Girl or sumpin.’ I know it’s been answered, but [**Little Nemo** gave an excellent summary.](https://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=21214859&postcount=3108) > [@Obvious things about a creative work you realize after the millionth time (OPEN SPOILERS POSSIBLE)](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obvious-things-about-a-creative-work-you-realize-after-the-millionth-time-open-spoilers-possible/504117/3110): > > It’s complicated. > > DC Comics created Superman in 1938 and he was a big success. So a lot of other comic book companies created similar characters. One of these companies was Fawcett, which created the character of Captain Marvel in 1939. > > There were differences in the characters’ non-hero identities. Superman was an alien who came to Earth as a baby when his own planet was destroyed. He grew up in Kansas under the identity of Clark Kent. Captain Marvel was a young boy named Billy Batson, who was told a magic spell (he says the word “Shazam”) that could transform him into an adult superhero. But as superheros, the two characters had very similar powers and carried out very similar stories. > > Captain Marvel was also a major commercial success but DC filed lawsuits against Fawcett over character infringement. Sales declined and Fawcett retired the character in 1953. > > DC Comics licensed the rights to Captain Marvel from Fawcett in 1972 and bought them outright in 1993. So Captain Marvel now appears as a DC character alongside Superman. > > And this was the simple part of the story. > > Marvel comics led a revival of comic book in the early sixties, introducing a whole line of new characters (such as the Fantastic Four, the X-Men, Thor, Iron Man, Spiderman, etc). They created a character named Captain Marvel in 1967. Note that this was during the period between 1953, when Fawcett stopped using the character, and 1972, when DC acquired the rights. So nobody much cared if a different character named Captain Marvel existed. > > After DC revived the original character, there were issues over the use of the name by Marvel’s character. It was decided that Marvel could keep the name as long as they didn’t let it fall into disuse. DC was also allowed to use the name in relation to the original character. But Marvel had the rights to use Captain Marvel as the title of a comic book series so DC began publishing stories about their Captain Marvel under the title _Shazam!_. This led to some confusion as people thought the character was named Shazam. > > So Marvel makes sure to publish new comic books with a character named Captain Marvel at least once every two years so they retain their rights. But they haven’t consistently used it for a single character. > > The original Marvel Captain Marvel was an alien named Mar-Vell, who came to Earth with super powers. This character died a dramatic death due to cancer in 1982 (it was considered a major moment in comic book history to have a superhero character die from natural causes and stay dead.) > > But Marvel had to make sure the name stayed alive even after the character died, so they introduced a new character named Monica Rambeau, a police officer who acquired super-powers and joined the Avengers. She used the name Captain Marvel for several years. > > There were also several other characters who were successors to the now-dead Mar-Vell who also used the name Captain Marvel after Rambeau stopped using it. None of them were very significant but they served to keep the name in use. > > Meanwhile, there was another Marvel character named Carol Danvers, who was introduced in 1968. She acquired super-powers from the original Mar-Vell and adopted the name Ms Marvel. As Ms Marvel, she was a fairly significant character for many years. In 2012, she decided to change her name to Captain Marvel in honor of Mar-Vell. (Another younger woman named Kamala Khan adopted the name of Ms Marvel and made comic book history by being the first major openly Muslim character in comic books.) Danvers is the current Captain Marvel in the Marvel universe and she is the protagonist of the upcoming MCU movie. > > With Marvel’s character having eclipsed the original one and not being able to use the name as the title of a series, DC finally decided to throw in the towel and renamed their Captain Marvel as Shazam in 2011. ---
**Author:** ![Quimby](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/q/22d042/32.png) [@Quimby](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Quimby)\ **Post date:** [September 20, 2018, 2:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/captain-marvel-movie-the-marvel-one/821533/56 "2018-09-20T02:36:22Z")
> [@RikWriter](#): > > Well, you were TRYING to, but you didn’t actually succeed. Literally all of them but two made less money. By a lot. ---
**Author:** ![RikWriter](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/49beb7/32.png) [@RikWriter](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RikWriter)\ **Post date:** [September 20, 2018, 2:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/captain-marvel-movie-the-marvel-one/821533/57 "2018-09-20T02:42:06Z")
> [@Quimby](#): > > Literally all of them but two made less money. By a lot. You said 6-7 earlier. Make up your mind. [https://www.the-numbers.com/movies/franchise/Marvel-Cinematic-Universe#tab=summary](https://www.the-numbers.com/movies/franchise/Marvel-Cinematic-Universe#tab=summary) The fact is, you’re wrong. The Phase 2 movies made more money than the Phase 1 movies. The Phase 3 movies made more than the Phase 2 movies. The only exception was the first Avengers movie. ---
**Author:** ![DSYoungEsq](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/c6cbf5/32.png) [@DSYoungEsq](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DSYoungEsq)\ **Post date:** [September 20, 2018, 3:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/captain-marvel-movie-the-marvel-one/821533/58 "2018-09-20T03:09:10Z")
> [@RikWriter](#): > > You said 6-7 earlier. Make up your mind. > > [Marvel Cinematic Universe Franchise Box Office History - The Numbers](https://www.the-numbers.com/movies/franchise/Marvel-Cinematic-Universe#tab=summary) > > The fact is, you’re wrong. The Phase 2 movies made more money than the Phase 1 movies. The Phase 3 movies made more than the Phase 2 movies. The only exception was the first Avengers movie. **RikWriter** , you’re not paying attention to the conflation in the discussion of movies that out-grossed _Iron Man_, and movies that out-grossed _Avengers_. The list he gave was of the former, to point out that later movies barely even managed to outdo the original MCU movie. That list is not a list of movies that out-grossed the first Avengers movie (his claim is only two did so (before this year?)). ---
**Author:** ![bmoak](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/9dc877/32.png) [@bmoak](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bmoak)\ **Post date:** [September 20, 2018, 3:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/captain-marvel-movie-the-marvel-one/821533/59 "2018-09-20T03:11:37Z")
> [@Ukulele\_Ike](#): > > Thanks, **TOWP**. And shame on DC for trying to bury this great character, AGAIN. > > I really enjoyed Cap’s occasional appearances on the animated Justice League series… > > Batman: “Where’s the Boy Scout?” > Superman: “I thought _I_ was the Boy Scout.” > Batman: “That was before I met _him.”_ Kind of answered above, but DC actually didn’t have the rights for Captain Marvel and the other Fawcett characters when Marvel launched their Captain Marvel. And before Marvel used the name, schlockmeister Myron Fass’ short-lived MF Publications noticed that no one seemed to care about the Captain Marvel name and launched an unrelated Captain Marvel title in the mid-60s. This CM got his powers from a magic amulet and his magic word was Split!, and he could split off and animate his separate body parts. It’s considered one of the worst comics of all time. ---
**Author:** ![Colibri](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/colibri/32/1841_2.png) [@Colibri](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Colibri)\ **Post date:** [September 20, 2018, 3:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/captain-marvel-movie-the-marvel-one/821533/60 "2018-09-20T03:18:53Z")
> [@Ukulele\_Ike](#): > > I figure anyone who opens this thread probably even could recite what all the letters in “Shazam” stand for. Damn. I got “Mercury” wrong. See, that’s why I’m so confused. _That’s_ the Captain Marvel I remember. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/captain-marvel-movie-the-marvel-one/821533.md?page=2) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/captain-marvel-movie-the-marvel-one/821533.md?page=4)