# Captain Marvel Movie (The Marvel one) **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [September 18, 2018, 1:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/captain-marvel-movie-the-marvel-one/821533 "2018-09-18T13:32:13Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 19\ **Page:** 9
**Author:** ![Dewey\_Finn](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dewey_finn/32/4222_2.png) [@Dewey\_Finn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dewey_Finn)\ **Post date:** [March 11, 2019, 1:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/captain-marvel-movie-the-marvel-one/821533/161 "2019-03-11T13:53:30Z")
> [@BeepKillBeep](#): > > I saw it last night and loved it! I don’t understand the weak reviews. Oh well, these things are subjective. I saw it on Saturday and enjoyed it. But some of the weak reviews were the result of [trolls](https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/heat-vision/captain-marvel-rotten-tomatoes-audience-score-sandbagged-by-trolls-1193280) (other articles [here](https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/heat-vision/captain-marvel-time-stop-feeding-movie-trolls-1188770) and [here](https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/heat-vision/captain-marvel-targeted-by-negative-online-reviews-pre-release-1188109)), with more than 58,000 audience scores on Rotten Tomatoes, which is more than Avengers: Infinity War had for the entire time it was in the theaters. Thousands of people were scoring the movie even before it was released. Some of this was generic trolling and some was misogyny. ---
**Author:** ![bienville](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/4bbf92/32.png) [@bienville](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bienville)\ **Post date:** [March 11, 2019, 4:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/captain-marvel-movie-the-marvel-one/821533/162 "2019-03-11T16:06:28Z")
> [@Jophiel](#): > > Sincere a mod said to use spoiler tags in this thread, I’m doing so until told it’s okay otherwise or someone starts a new spoiler thread There are so many “seen it” posts in this thread already that it feels redundant to start a new thread and yet constant spoiler tags are gonna get tiresome real quick. Just in case we’re still not at the point when people are not going to be pissed about spoilers… So far, no one’s mentioned the Marvel Studios logo title card opening. Beautiful. First tear shed for me for this film, less that two seconds into the film. And my favorite line: [SPOILER]_As Fury gets his eye scratched by Goose_: “MOTHER FLERKEN!!!”[/SPOILER] Further thoughts on Fury: [SPOILER]13 years after the events of this film, he is the Director of SHIELD. I feel like he should have been higher up than he seemed to be here. He seems like an experienced yet still low level agent. He doesn’t seem like someone who is on track to be Director of the organization a mere 13 years later. Dr. Wendy Lawson either stole the Tesseract from SHIELD or she was working with SHEILD (in cooperation with the USAF and NASA as noted at the Pegasus facility). That she was working _with_ SHIELD makes more sense. Given that the Tesseract then went missing after her death, then I’d think her name should be known throughout the organization since any lead on Wendy Lawson would be a lead on the lost Tesseract. So, in addition to being higher up, I would have wanted Fury to know who she was (after all, he did know what Pegasus was) even if he didn’t know the specifics of what she was working on (he was 6 years lower in rank and experience at the time) and for the purposes of the plot of this movie it would have been acceptable for him to not know who the other pilot was, but I still think he should have recognized her name.[/SPOILER] On Brie Larson… She was awesome! I think she beautifully conveyed the constant of personality and who a person is at their core despite memory loss. She wasn’t a blank slate having lost her memory, and she wasn’t a personality fashioned by her Kree Starforce superiors trying to overwrite her memory loss. She was every bit Carol Danvers throughout the film- just with memory loss. Not an easy feat to make that believable. She did so much with just the most minor of facial expressions. For me, her performance filled every gap left by the script. Oh, and Stan Lee **Practicing his lines from the Mallrats script!!!** ---
**Author:** ![Folacin](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/folacin/32/3195_2.png) [@Folacin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Folacin)\ **Post date:** [March 11, 2019, 4:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/captain-marvel-movie-the-marvel-one/821533/163 "2019-03-11T16:19:02Z")
> [@muldoonthief](#): > > Scarlet Witch and Quicksilver were created by the Mind Stone - it was inside Loki’s scepter which wound up in Baron Strucker’s hands. Surely we don’t need to spoiler this. I doubt they were ‘created’ by the mind-stone, I assume that their powers come from their father (I don’t know if MCU has that in continuity - Quicksilver over in the X-men universe has Magneto for his father). He may have used the Mind Stone to warp them into hating Stark (not hard to do, since Stark bore some responsibility for the deaths of their (foster?) parents). ---
**Author:** ![RikWriter](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/49beb7/32.png) [@RikWriter](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RikWriter)\ **Post date:** [March 11, 2019, 4:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/captain-marvel-movie-the-marvel-one/821533/164 "2019-03-11T16:36:59Z")
> [@Folacin](#): > > Surely we don’t need to spoiler this. I doubt they were ‘created’ by the mind-stone, I assume that their powers come from their father (I don’t know if MCU has that in continuity - Quicksilver over in the X-men universe has Magneto for his father). He may have used the Mind Stone to warp them into hating Stark (not hard to do, since Stark bore some responsibility for the deaths of their (foster?) parents). You assume wrong. There was no Magneto in the MCU. Their powers were created using Loki’s scepter. It’s confirmed in Infinity War. ---
**Author:** ![Jophiel](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jophiel/32/66_2.png) [@Jophiel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jophiel)\ **Post date:** [March 11, 2019, 4:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/captain-marvel-movie-the-marvel-one/821533/165 "2019-03-11T16:54:42Z")
I started a [Spoiler thread](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=872238) for those who want to discuss with fewer mouse clicks. ---
**Author:** ![cmkeller](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cmkeller/32/118_2.png) [@cmkeller](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/cmkeller)\ **Post date:** [March 11, 2019, 5:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/captain-marvel-movie-the-marvel-one/821533/166 "2019-03-11T17:10:43Z")
RikWriter: > [@](#): > > You assume wrong. There was no Magneto in the MCU. Their powers were created using Loki’s scepter. It’s confirmed in Infinity War. While this is true and applies to the current Marvel Comics canon, I was hoping back before I saw Age of Ultron that the movie would go full-Englehart and have Wanda and Pietro turn out to be children of World War II-era heroes Whizzer and Miss America, and that they’d use the original Human Torch’s android body (glimpsed in Captain America: the first Avenger) as the basis for the Vision. An opportunity lost, IMHO. ---
**Author:** ![muldoonthief](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/muldoonthief/32/3188_2.png) [@muldoonthief](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/muldoonthief)\ **Post date:** [March 11, 2019, 5:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/captain-marvel-movie-the-marvel-one/821533/167 "2019-03-11T17:24:03Z")
> [@Folacin](#): > > Surely we don’t need to spoiler this. I doubt they were ‘created’ by the mind-stone, I assume that their powers come from their father (I don’t know if MCU has that in continuity - Quicksilver over in the X-men universe has Magneto for his father). He may have used the Mind Stone to warp them into hating Stark (not hard to do, since Stark bore some responsibility for the deaths of their (foster?) parents). I spoilered it because the reason we’re discussing it is spoilery. So a second order spoiler. But I’m off to the open spoiler thread anyway. ---
**Author:** ![simster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/simster/32/1047_2.png) [@simster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/simster)\ **Post date:** [March 11, 2019, 6:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/captain-marvel-movie-the-marvel-one/821533/168 "2019-03-11T18:18:32Z")
> [@cmkeller](#): > > RikWriter: > > While this is true and applies to the current Marvel Comics canon, I was hoping back before I saw Age of Ultron that the movie would go full-Englehart and have Wanda and Pietro turn out to be children of World War II-era heroes Whizzer and Miss America, and that they’d use the **original Human Torch’s android body (glimpsed in Captain America: the first Avenger)** as the basis for the Vision. An opportunity lost, IMHO. (bolding mine) wait - what? ---
**Author:** ![cmkeller](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cmkeller/32/118_2.png) [@cmkeller](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/cmkeller)\ **Post date:** [March 11, 2019, 6:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/captain-marvel-movie-the-marvel-one/821533/169 "2019-03-11T18:28:46Z")
In the scene at the “Stark Expo” where Steve and Bucky are double-dating, there’s an exhibit labelled “Phineas Horton Presents the Synthetic Man”, and there is a tube with a red-suited human figure in it. [Image link](https://i.stack.imgur.com/IDmpd.png) ---
**Author:** ![simster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/simster/32/1047_2.png) [@simster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/simster)\ **Post date:** [March 11, 2019, 6:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/captain-marvel-movie-the-marvel-one/821533/170 "2019-03-11T18:32:32Z")
> [@cmkeller](#): > > In the scene at the “Stark Expo” where Steve and Bucky are double-dating, there’s an exhibit labelled “Phineas Horton Presents the Synthetic Man”, and there is a tube with a red-suited human figure in it. > > [Image link](https://i.stack.imgur.com/IDmpd.png) I did not know that… ---
**Author:** ![thelurkinghorror](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/7c8e57/32.png) [@thelurkinghorror](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/thelurkinghorror)\ **Post date:** [March 11, 2019, 6:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/captain-marvel-movie-the-marvel-one/821533/171 "2019-03-11T18:43:20Z")
They also easteregged Adam Warlock in Thor 2 and Guardians of the Galaxy, before he was explicitly name dropped in GotG2. ---
**Author:** ![simster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/simster/32/1047_2.png) [@simster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/simster)\ **Post date:** [March 11, 2019, 7:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/captain-marvel-movie-the-marvel-one/821533/172 "2019-03-11T19:11:17Z")
> [@thelurkinghorror](#): > > They also easteregged Adam Warlock in Thor 2 and Guardians of the Galaxy, before he was explicitly name dropped in GotG2. Yes, I saw that along with Howard, SpaceDog - and I want to think we saw the cat in the collector’s cages as well. I just didn’t catch that the redsuit was intended to be HT. ---
**Author:** ![Acsenray](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/acsenray/32/4519_2.png) [@Acsenray](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Acsenray)\ **Post date:** [March 11, 2019, 9:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/captain-marvel-movie-the-marvel-one/821533/173 "2019-03-11T21:53:59Z")
I heard something about the military having a heavy role in ensuring that this movie makes for good promotion for the U.S. Air Force. ---
**Author:** ![Dewey\_Finn](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dewey_finn/32/4222_2.png) [@Dewey\_Finn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dewey_Finn)\ **Post date:** [March 11, 2019, 10:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/captain-marvel-movie-the-marvel-one/821533/174 "2019-03-11T22:18:05Z")
That’s possible. The credits included thanks to various people in the USAF and the DoD. ---
**Author:** ![muldoonthief](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/muldoonthief/32/3188_2.png) [@muldoonthief](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/muldoonthief)\ **Post date:** [March 11, 2019, 10:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/captain-marvel-movie-the-marvel-one/821533/175 "2019-03-11T22:19:03Z")
> [@Acsenray](#): > > I heard something about the military having a heavy role in ensuring that this movie makes for good promotion for the U.S. Air Force. If they did, they really didn’t get their money’s worth. They made a point that women pilots weren’t allowed to fly in combat, which is how she wound up working for Project Pegasus. And the male pilots we saw all behaved like they were distinguished graduates of Tailhook. ---
**Author:** ![galen\_ubal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/galen_ubal/32/4440_2.png) [@galen\_ubal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/galen_ubal)\ **Post date:** [March 11, 2019, 10:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/captain-marvel-movie-the-marvel-one/821533/176 "2019-03-11T22:24:22Z")
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**Author:** ![SlackerInc](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/slackerinc/32/275_2.png) [@SlackerInc](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SlackerInc)\ **Post date:** [March 20, 2019, 9:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/captain-marvel-movie-the-marvel-one/821533/177 "2019-03-20T09:38:05Z")
> [@Dewey\_Finn](#): > > I saw it on Saturday and enjoyed it. But some of the weak reviews were the result of [trolls](https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/heat-vision/captain-marvel-rotten-tomatoes-audience-score-sandbagged-by-trolls-1193280) (other articles [here](https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/heat-vision/captain-marvel-time-stop-feeding-movie-trolls-1188770) and [here](https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/heat-vision/captain-marvel-targeted-by-negative-online-reviews-pre-release-1188109)), with more than 58,000 audience scores on Rotten Tomatoes, which is more than Avengers: Infinity War had for the entire time it was in the theaters. Thousands of people were scoring the movie even before it was released. Some of this was generic trolling and some was misogyny. Okay, but Chris Ryan and Andy Greenwald of The Ringer slagged it pretty hard, as did my 19 year old son. None of them are known to me to be misogynistic and/or trolls. Personally, I took my 9 year old daughter and thought it was great. It made my MCU top 5 (in fifth place of 19 I’ve seen). Aside from just enjoying the movie, I’m super psyched that my secret plot to wean my daughter away from Brand Ecchh “Superhero Girls” like Wonder Woman and Supergirl was a rousing success! Mwahahaha. She now says CM is her favorite superhero. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![GoodOmens](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/d26b3c/32.png) [@GoodOmens](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GoodOmens)\ **Post date:** [March 23, 2019, 1:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/captain-marvel-movie-the-marvel-one/821533/178 "2019-03-23T13:14:59Z")
I think I’m generally in the concensus here, I thought it was mid-tier for the Marvel films. Certainly not in the Iron Man/Avengers/Winter Soldier top of the pack, but a world above the dreck (Hulk, Thor 2, etc). Enjoyable nonsense. I thought that the effects for CM herself were pretty great (and I liked that they kept the rather silly fire mohawk), but the space and ship effects were unimpressive. Brie Larson was solid, and if I can be That Guy for a moment, godDAMN did she look great in that NIN shirt. ---
**Author:** ![SlackerInc](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/slackerinc/32/275_2.png) [@SlackerInc](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SlackerInc)\ **Post date:** [March 25, 2019, 7:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/captain-marvel-movie-the-marvel-one/821533/179 "2019-03-25T07:53:54Z")
My MCU rankings: _Avengers Spider-Man: Homecoming Avengers: Infinity War Iron Man Captain Marvel Doctor Strange Avengers: Age of Ultron Black Panther Iron Man 3 Captain America: Civil War Ant-Man Thor: Ragnarok Guardians of the Galaxy Ant-Man and the Wasp The Incredible Hulk Thor Captain America: The Winter Soldier Captain America: The First Avenger Iron Man 2_ (I watched about a half hour of GotG2 and turned it off, so I can’t properly rank it. But it was not good.) [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/captain-marvel-movie-the-marvel-one/821533.md?page=8)