# Captain Marvel "Seen It" Spoiler Thread **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [March 11, 2019, 4:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/captain-marvel-seen-it-spoiler-thread/830952 "2019-03-11T16:14:56Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![bienville](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/4bbf92/32.png) [@bienville](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bienville)\ **Post date:** [March 12, 2019, 2:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/captain-marvel-seen-it-spoiler-thread/830952/41 "2019-03-12T14:58:55Z")
> [@simster](#): > > and we’re just supposed to take your word on that? Uuuuuhhhh… _you’re_ the one named **_sim_ster**. Project much? ---
**Author:** ![Quimby](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/q/22d042/32.png) [@Quimby](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Quimby)\ **Post date:** [March 12, 2019, 3:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/captain-marvel-seen-it-spoiler-thread/830952/42 "2019-03-12T15:21:32Z")
I could have sworn the triangle sandwich joke came up somewhere else, the gag being he is afraid he would poke himself in his one good eye (but this movie showing he had the same hangup before that). I liked the subtle references like how one of the Kree troops here ended up working for Ronan in GotG. On the other hand all the, “Get it, this is the 90s! GET IT!” references were kind of lame. ---
**Author:** ![simster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/simster/32/1047_2.png) [@simster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/simster)\ **Post date:** [March 12, 2019, 3:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/captain-marvel-seen-it-spoiler-thread/830952/43 "2019-03-12T15:39:49Z")
> [@bienville](#): > > Uuuuuhhhh… _you’re_ the one named **_sim_ster**. Project much? Why yes, I did run the projectors back in high school - fond memories of that. ---
**Author:** ![bienville](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/4bbf92/32.png) [@bienville](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bienville)\ **Post date:** [March 12, 2019, 3:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/captain-marvel-seen-it-spoiler-thread/830952/44 "2019-03-12T15:42:36Z")
I was disappointed in Lee Pace’s performance as Ronan. He _really_ seemed to be phoning it in. Each time he was on screen I thought to myself, “Gee, lame that they couldn’t get the same actor to reprise the role” then I saw his name in the credits and was surprised to learn that they _did_ get the same actor to reprise the role! I don’t know if it was the directors’ choice to mellow out the portrayal of the character, or if it was the actor’s choice… maybe they thought “this is 20 years earlier, he’s younger and he’s not a renegade separatist yet…” but, whatever their reasoning, I didn’t like it. I would have _at least_ wanted him to have the same booming voice- this was more like Ronan _Farrow_. ---
**Author:** ![Stanislaus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/stanislaus/32/3391_2.png) [@Stanislaus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Stanislaus)\ **Post date:** [March 12, 2019, 3:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/captain-marvel-seen-it-spoiler-thread/830952/45 "2019-03-12T15:59:25Z")
> [@Quartz](#): > > Yes I did. The Kree want to control her, not make her doubt reality. The reality is that she is extremely powerful and perfectly capable of controlling her powers. Every interaction the Kree have with her is designed to make her doubt this reality and to present themselves as the arbiters of what is true and what is not. ---
**Author:** ![AlsoNamedBort](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/alsonamedbort/32/3213_2.png) [@AlsoNamedBort](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AlsoNamedBort)\ **Post date:** [March 12, 2019, 4:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/captain-marvel-seen-it-spoiler-thread/830952/46 "2019-03-12T16:19:17Z")
> [@bienville](#): > > Each time he was on screen I thought to myself, “Gee, lame that they couldn’t get the same actor to reprise the role” then I saw his name in the credits and was surprised to learn that they _did_ get the same actor to reprise the role! Glad I wasn’t the only one who thought the same. When he was on that ship with the other Kree, I wasn’t even sure which one was supposed to be Ronan. > [@D\_Odds](#): > > Ronan snapped the Chitauri’s neck with a gesture The Chitauri weren’t in GotG. I don’t remember anything like that. Regarding the “Fury is a Skrull”: There’s still one Skrull out there, right? Four landed on Earth. Talos left in the end, Science Guy was killed by Jude Law, fake Coulsen died in the car crash. Old lady on the subway got away in the end. He’s probably still on Earth, and has no idea what all went down. If they ever want to recon any scene to “That guy was a Skrull,” they have an opening now. ---
**Author:** ![bienville](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/4bbf92/32.png) [@bienville](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bienville)\ **Post date:** [March 12, 2019, 4:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/captain-marvel-seen-it-spoiler-thread/830952/47 "2019-03-12T16:19:56Z")
> [@Stanislaus](#): > > The reality is that she is extremely powerful and perfectly capable of controlling her powers. > > Every interaction the Kree have with her is designed to make her doubt this reality and to present themselves as the arbiters of what is true and what is not. Yep, that’s the meat and potatoes of it- smothered in a thick gravy of “We made you what you are and you would be nothing without us!” ---
**Author:** ![bienville](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/4bbf92/32.png) [@bienville](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bienville)\ **Post date:** [March 12, 2019, 4:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/captain-marvel-seen-it-spoiler-thread/830952/48 "2019-03-12T16:26:36Z")
> [@AlsoNamedBort](#): > > The Chitauri weren’t in GotG. I don’t remember anything like that. I don’t know what species he was, it wasn’t a Chitauri it was that five fingered weirdo guy who you’re supposed to address instead of addressing Thanos directly (the intermediary that Loki speaks to throughout the first Avengers movie). Ronan got sick of hearing from the lackey and wanted Thanos’ full attention so Ronan snapped the lackey’s neck. He didn’t make physical contact but his gesture was a gesture with his weapon (the long handled hammer kinda thing that he later uses to hold the Power Stone). I was under the impression that his weapon had some kind of power that allowed it to be effective with just a gesture instead of needing actual physical contact. ---
**Author:** ![AlsoNamedBort](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/alsonamedbort/32/3213_2.png) [@AlsoNamedBort](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AlsoNamedBort)\ **Post date:** [March 12, 2019, 4:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/captain-marvel-seen-it-spoiler-thread/830952/49 "2019-03-12T16:38:37Z")
Anyway, I really liked this. I’ve heard it called a “Phase One movie set during Phase Three” and I think that fits. Compared to most of the “origin” movies, I think this is one of the best. I would put it just below Iron Man, just above Captain America. Things I liked: When Carol first unlocks her powers, she fires a blast so big it accidentally knocks her backwards. Which is a callback to when Stark first tries to use a repulsor blast, and it knocks him backwards. Annette Bening did a great job as both Mar vell and the Supreme Intelligence. She was so nice but had a great sinister quality. Hope she’s back for the sequel. The memory sequence was really well done. I loved Talos comments over it. I think that scene will be even better on a rewatch. Speaking of which, Talos stole the show. Ben Mendelsohn always plays generic bad guys, so I really wasn’t expecting the twist with him. Didn’t like: The music was all over the place. They were definitely trying to go for the GotG route, but it seemed out of place some times. Although the “Just A Girl” fight was great. The fight scenes after she got her fulls powers were weak. When she was flying through the air destroying ships you couldn’t really tell what was going on because it was so zoomed in on her. ---
**Author:** ![Acsenray](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/acsenray/32/4519_2.png) [@Acsenray](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Acsenray)\ **Post date:** [March 12, 2019, 4:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/captain-marvel-seen-it-spoiler-thread/830952/50 "2019-03-12T16:48:49Z")
I would say the patriarchy experience theme is triggered almost immediately with Jude Law’s lecture about “controlling your emotions.” And then it moves on to “we gave you your power and we can take it away.” And then it broadens out into one big gaslight. > [@bienville](#): > > Anyone else notice how **Quartz** posts like he’s trying to gaslight us? This is clear in some other threads. ---
**Author:** ![muldoonthief](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/muldoonthief/32/3188_2.png) [@muldoonthief](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/muldoonthief)\ **Post date:** [March 12, 2019, 5:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/captain-marvel-seen-it-spoiler-thread/830952/51 "2019-03-12T17:35:41Z")
> [@bienville](#): > > I don’t know what species he was, it wasn’t a Chitauri it was that five fingered weirdo guy who you’re supposed to address instead of addressing Thanos directly (the intermediary that Loki speaks to throughout the first Avengers movie). Ronan got sick of hearing from the lackey and wanted Thanos’ full attention so Ronan snapped the lackey’s neck. > > He didn’t make physical contact but his gesture was a gesture with his weapon (the long handled hammer kinda thing that he later uses to hold the Power Stone). I was under the impression that his weapon had some kind of power that allowed it to be effective with just a gesture instead of needing actual physical contact. He’s called “The Other” in the credits. And he’s got 4 fingers & 2 thumbs per hand. When Ronan kills him, his hammer shoots out some kind of shockwave, so it’s just a standard scifi weapon. ---
**Author:** ![AlsoNamedBort](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/alsonamedbort/32/3213_2.png) [@AlsoNamedBort](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AlsoNamedBort)\ **Post date:** [March 12, 2019, 5:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/captain-marvel-seen-it-spoiler-thread/830952/52 "2019-03-12T17:42:05Z")
I’m guessing Captain Marvel 2 will cover at least some of the time in between Captain Marvel and Endgame, at least to show what she did with the Skrulls. Maybe it will jump back and forth between the past and the present. Ronan will probably be a secondary antagonist, not the main villain. ---
**Author:** ![bienville](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/4bbf92/32.png) [@bienville](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bienville)\ **Post date:** [March 12, 2019, 5:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/captain-marvel-seen-it-spoiler-thread/830952/53 "2019-03-12T17:51:24Z")
> [@muldoonthief](#): > > he’s got 4 fingers & 2 thumbs per hand. Ha! I just realized I wrote the number 5 to describe how strange and alien his digitals were! Like I’m a Simpsons character marveling at the wonder of a five fingered hand! Thank you for correcting me kindly without the use of the word “idiot”. Truly a kinder reply than I deserved. Ha! ---
**Author:** ![cmkeller](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cmkeller/32/118_2.png) [@cmkeller](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/cmkeller)\ **Post date:** [March 12, 2019, 6:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/captain-marvel-seen-it-spoiler-thread/830952/54 "2019-03-12T18:08:10Z")
simster: > [@](#): > > and we’re just supposed to take your word on that? At the risk of sounding like I’m not getting the joke, the serious answer is that a link to the scene is in a post just above ours, and anyone can watch and judge for themselves. ---
**Author:** ![simster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/simster/32/1047_2.png) [@simster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/simster)\ **Post date:** [March 12, 2019, 6:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/captain-marvel-seen-it-spoiler-thread/830952/55 "2019-03-12T18:20:31Z")
> [@cmkeller](#): > > simster: > > At the risk of sounding like I’m not getting the joke, the serious answer is that a link to the scene is in a post just above ours, and anyone can watch and judge for themselves. When Fury is talking with Cap Marvel in the bar - Fury asks “how do I know you’re not a skrull?” - CM photon blasts the juke box and says “skrulls can’t do that” Fury: And I’m just supposed to take your word on that? ---
**Author:** ![cmkeller](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cmkeller/32/118_2.png) [@cmkeller](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/cmkeller)\ **Post date:** [March 12, 2019, 6:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/captain-marvel-seen-it-spoiler-thread/830952/56 "2019-03-12T18:54:00Z")
See, I did remember that, which is why I prefaced my answer as I did. ---
**Author:** ![AlsoNamedBort](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/alsonamedbort/32/3213_2.png) [@AlsoNamedBort](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AlsoNamedBort)\ **Post date:** [March 12, 2019, 7:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/captain-marvel-seen-it-spoiler-thread/830952/57 "2019-03-12T19:15:45Z")
One thing I didn’t get, did Carol know that her photon blasts were unique to her? Her “Skrulls can’t do that” implied that Kree could. ---
**Author:** ![D\_Odds](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/d_odds/32/2882_2.png) [@D\_Odds](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/D_Odds)\ **Post date:** [March 12, 2019, 9:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/captain-marvel-seen-it-spoiler-thread/830952/58 "2019-03-12T21:07:11Z")
> [@AlsoNamedBort](#): > > The Chitauri weren’t in GotG. I don’t remember anything like that. [![](https://img.youtube.com/vi/cHj3kCVFDLM/maxresdefault.jpg "Ronan Meets Thanos Scene - Guardians of the Galaxy (2014) IMAX Movie CLIP HD") ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cHj3kCVFDLM) About 50 seconds into that clip. That was well before he had the stone. ---
**Author:** ![Folacin](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/folacin/32/3195_2.png) [@Folacin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Folacin)\ **Post date:** [March 12, 2019, 9:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/captain-marvel-seen-it-spoiler-thread/830952/59 "2019-03-12T21:17:25Z")
> [@AlsoNamedBort](#): > > One thing I didn’t get, did Carol know that her photon blasts were unique to her? Her “Skrulls can’t do that” implied that Kree could. Everyone on the team seemed to have a unique weapon. I assumed they were tech, but maybe they were some form of tech that enhanced a Kree’s innate power? So that Vers having photon blasts that she couldn’t control wouldn’t be a surprise? Or instead of innate, maybe the Kree can give certain people powers (see the Inhumans), and that is how they explain to her that she has photon blasts? ---
**Author:** ![ebb](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/c57346/32.png) [@ebb](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ebb)\ **Post date:** [March 12, 2019, 9:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/captain-marvel-seen-it-spoiler-thread/830952/60 "2019-03-12T21:23:14Z")
> [@Folacin](#): > > Everyone on the team seemed to have a unique weapon. I assumed they were tech, but maybe they were some form of tech that enhanced a Kree’s innate power? So that Vers having photon blasts that she couldn’t control wouldn’t be a surprise? > > Or instead of innate, maybe the Kree can give certain people powers (see the Inhumans), and that is how they explain to her that she has photon blasts? I don’t know anything about the comic source material, but the impression I got from the movie is that the Kree had a process of powering up their operatives which worked a little differently from person to person. This process involved putting a little white disk in the back of their neck. The revelation that Danvers makes is that her device isn’t an enabler, it’s an inhibitor, because unlike the others her powers are baked-in from the power source explosion. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/captain-marvel-seen-it-spoiler-thread/830952.md?page=2) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/captain-marvel-seen-it-spoiler-thread/830952.md?page=4)