# Captain Marvel "Seen It" Spoiler Thread **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [March 11, 2019, 4:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/captain-marvel-seen-it-spoiler-thread/830952 "2019-03-11T16:14:56Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 5
**Author:** ![Quartz](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/quartz/32/267_2.png) [@Quartz](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Quartz)\ **Post date:** [March 16, 2019, 10:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/captain-marvel-seen-it-spoiler-thread/830952/81 "2019-03-16T22:49:58Z")
> [@andy l](#): > > the phrase “too tron” does not compute. Heh. ISWYDT ---
**Author:** ![Dale\_Sams](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/779978/32.png) [@Dale\_Sams](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dale_Sams)\ **Post date:** [March 16, 2019, 11:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/captain-marvel-seen-it-spoiler-thread/830952/82 "2019-03-16T23:49:08Z")
> [@bienville](#): > > Copied over from the other Thread: > > Oh, and Stan Lee > **Practicing his lines from the Mallrats script!!!** That makes all kinds of things weird since Mallrats talks about Lee creating the Hulk and Spiderman. ---
**Author:** ![D\_Odds](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/d_odds/32/2882_2.png) [@D\_Odds](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/D_Odds)\ **Post date:** [March 17, 2019, 1:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/captain-marvel-seen-it-spoiler-thread/830952/83 "2019-03-17T01:40:10Z")
> [@Dale\_Sams](#): > > That makes all kinds of things weird since Mallrats talks about Lee creating the Hulk and Spiderman. Some website did a whole write-up about this. Talk about taking the Lee cameos far, far, far too seriously. But these websites need new articles daily and there really isn’t enough interesting stuff to feed the beast that is advertising revenue. ---
**Author:** ![Airman\_Doors\_USAF](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/e36b37/32.png) [@Airman\_Doors\_USAF](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Airman_Doors_USAF)\ **Post date:** [March 17, 2019, 3:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/captain-marvel-seen-it-spoiler-thread/830952/84 "2019-03-17T03:13:18Z")
I enjoyed the movie immensely, but… They just created Superman only with no kryptonite. She is essentially a living Infinity Stone, they can’t take the power from her because there’s no object that gives it to her. It IS her. And so, this movie proves that all of the preceding movies need not have been made, all Fury had to do was page her and wait and that’s that. This is, in a way, the death knell of the Marvel Cinematic Universe. Where do you go from here? ---
**Author:** ![Jophiel](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jophiel/32/66_2.png) [@Jophiel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jophiel)\ **Post date:** [March 17, 2019, 3:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/captain-marvel-seen-it-spoiler-thread/830952/85 "2019-03-17T03:28:05Z")
> [@Airman\_Doors\_USAF](#): > > It IS her. And so, this movie proves that all of the preceding movies need not have been made, all Fury had to do was page her and wait and that’s that. “A giant space army is attacking New York through a wormhole! They have flying space dragons!” “It’s cool. I just press this button and we wait a couple weeks for this magic woman to fly across the galaxy.” ---
**Author:** ![Airman\_Doors\_USAF](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/e36b37/32.png) [@Airman\_Doors\_USAF](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Airman_Doors_USAF)\ **Post date:** [March 17, 2019, 3:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/captain-marvel-seen-it-spoiler-thread/830952/86 "2019-03-17T03:40:01Z")
> [@Jophiel](#): > > “A giant space army is attacking New York through a wormhole! They have flying space dragons!” > “It’s cool. I just press this button and we wait a couple weeks for this magic woman to fly across the galaxy.” That only happened because of the appearance of Thor and the capture of Loki with the reappearance of the Tesseract, which was the source of her powers, being subverted for destructive means. If that didn’t constitute a grave emergency there are no emergencies grave enough. ---
**Author:** ![digs](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/digs/32/14889_2.png) [@digs](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/digs)\ **Post date:** [March 17, 2019, 4:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/captain-marvel-seen-it-spoiler-thread/830952/87 "2019-03-17T04:58:49Z")
That’s why I like the conjecture that Fury DID page Carol Danvers, perhaps on multiple occasions, but certainly to say \*\* WE NEED YOU TO HELP DEFEAT CRAZYASS INVADING ALIEN ARMY AND GET SHAWARMAH.\*\* This time she was within range to get the beep. ---
**Author:** ![Snarky\_Kong](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/a183cd/32.png) [@Snarky\_Kong](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snarky_Kong)\ **Post date:** [March 17, 2019, 5:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/captain-marvel-seen-it-spoiler-thread/830952/88 "2019-03-17T05:10:10Z")
> [@Airman\_Doors\_USAF](#): > > That only happened because of the appearance of Thor and the capture of Loki with the reappearance of the Tesseract, which was the source of her powers, being subverted for destructive means. If that didn’t constitute a grave emergency there are no emergencies grave enough. The point being made isn’t that it’s not a grave threat, but that Captain Marvel can’t react to threats that are time sensitive. I don’t recall Avengers well enough, but if it’s clear they will either win or lose in a shorter period of time than it would take Captain Marvel to respond, then no reason to page her. Overall I liked it. Significantly better than Ant Man and the Wasp, which I only recently saw on Netflix. Not bothered in the slightest by nobody saying “Captain Marvel” in the movie and kinda think it’s weird that people are bothered by it. ---
**Author:** ![Strassia](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/e8c25b/32.png) [@Strassia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Strassia)\ **Post date:** [March 17, 2019, 5:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/captain-marvel-seen-it-spoiler-thread/830952/89 "2019-03-17T05:27:44Z")
> [@Airman\_Doors\_USAF](#): > > That only happened because of the appearance of Thor and the capture of Loki with the reappearance of the Tesseract, which was the source of her powers, being subverted for destructive means. If that didn’t constitute a grave emergency there are no emergencies grave enough. It is heavily implied in the End Game trailers that years have passed after the end of Infinity Wars. That is a long time to wait for help in an emergency. Sent from my Pixel 3 XL using Tapatalk ---
**Author:** ![Qadgop\_the\_Mercotan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/qadgop_the_mercotan/32/83_2.png) [@Qadgop\_the\_Mercotan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Qadgop_the_Mercotan)\ **Post date:** [March 17, 2019, 2:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/captain-marvel-seen-it-spoiler-thread/830952/90 "2019-03-17T14:57:11Z")
> [@asterion](#): > > Am I the only one who wanted her to stick with that neon look? I thought “perfect disco suit!” ---
**Author:** ![Miller](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/miller/32/481_2.png) [@Miller](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Miller)\ **Post date:** [March 17, 2019, 5:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/captain-marvel-seen-it-spoiler-thread/830952/91 "2019-03-17T17:13:23Z")
> [@Airman\_Doors\_USAF](#): > > I enjoyed the movie immensely, but… > > They just created Superman only with no kryptonite. She is essentially a living Infinity Stone, they can’t take the power from her because there’s no object that gives it to her. It IS her. And so, this movie proves that all of the preceding movies need not have been made, all Fury had to do was page her and wait and that’s that. This is, in a way, the death knell of the Marvel Cinematic Universe. Where do you go from here? I dunno, she’s been in the comics for years with that power level, and they haven’t run out of ideas for stuff to happen in the comics. I don’t think it’ll be a problem for the movies. ---
**Author:** ![Miller](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/miller/32/481_2.png) [@Miller](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Miller)\ **Post date:** [March 17, 2019, 5:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/captain-marvel-seen-it-spoiler-thread/830952/92 "2019-03-17T17:24:49Z")
> [@Dale\_Sams](#): > > That makes all kinds of things weird since Mallrats talks about Lee creating the Hulk and Spiderman. In the Watchmen comics, one of the minor conceits was that, since superheroes were real, comic books ended up being all pirate adventures, cowboy stories, and romances. So, in the MCU, Stan Lee shows up in _Mallrats_ to give Brodie life lessons derived from his comics about Millie the Model and Kid Colt. Alternatively, in the comics it’s been canon for decades that Marvel Comics exists in the Marvel universe, where they’re basically treated as true crime stories. Stan Lee shows up and gives Brodie exactly the same lecture, including the parts where he claims to have “invented” Spider-Man and the Hulk, because he’s still Stan Lee, and that was sort of his M.O. ---
**Author:** ![Andy\_L](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/c67d28/32.png) [@Andy\_L](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Andy_L)\ **Post date:** [March 17, 2019, 7:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/captain-marvel-seen-it-spoiler-thread/830952/93 "2019-03-17T19:21:06Z")
> [@Miller](#): > > Alternatively, in the comics it’s been canon for decades that Marvel Comics exists in the Marvel universe, where they’re basically treated as true crime stories. Indeed. I have an ish in which the FF have been out of contact with Earth for some time, and the folks at Marvel are struggling with how to keep the FF comic going. They can’t make up stuff after all - that would be wrong. ---
**Author:** ![dasmoocher](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/dbc845/32.png) [@dasmoocher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dasmoocher)\ **Post date:** [March 17, 2019, 7:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/captain-marvel-seen-it-spoiler-thread/830952/94 "2019-03-17T19:32:03Z")
> [@Strassia](#): > > It is heavily implied in the End Game trailers that years have passed after the end of Infinity Wars. That is a long time to wait for help in an emergency. In YouTube videos dissecting the Endgame trailers and the Captain Marvel mid-credits scene, people have pointed out the Captain America still has his beard from Infinity War and Natasha’s hair is the same also when Captain Marvel shows up at the headquarters. In the trailers, Cap’s beard is gone in some scenes and Natasha’s hair gets longer and colored, so the speculation is that Captain Marvel shows up early in Endgame. They’re still counting the casualties from the snap when the pager stops. ---
**Author:** ![Andy\_L](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/c67d28/32.png) [@Andy\_L](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Andy_L)\ **Post date:** [March 17, 2019, 7:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/captain-marvel-seen-it-spoiler-thread/830952/95 "2019-03-17T19:34:35Z")
> [@dasmoocher](#): > > In YouTube videos dissecting the Endgame trailers and the Captain Marvel mid-credits scene, people have pointed out the Captain America still has his beard from Infinity War and Natasha’s hair is the same also when Captain Marvel shows up at the headquarters. In the trailers, Cap’s beard is gone is some scenes and Natasha’s hair gets longer and colored, so the speculation is that Captain Marvel shows up early in Endgame. They’re still counting the casualties from the snap. Agree - it’s probably only a few days post-snap. But that still suggests Captain Marvel can’t help with a crisis that erupts in very quickly (like a wormhole over Manhattan). ---
**Author:** ![k9bfriender](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/k9bfriender/32/3283_2.png) [@k9bfriender](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/k9bfriender)\ **Post date:** [March 17, 2019, 9:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/captain-marvel-seen-it-spoiler-thread/830952/96 "2019-03-17T21:22:09Z")
> [@Jophiel](#): > > It’s not though. It’s literally naming the movie after another character, “Mar-Vell”, while also inexplicably expecting us to think of the main character as “Captain Marvel” for no apparent reason besides it being the movie title. > > As I said earlier, it would be as though Tony Stark’s old piano tutor was named Iro Nman so let’s call this movie (and Stark) “Iron Man”. They don’t call each other by their code names often, really only in a formalish setting, introductions and the like. I can’t think of any time that anyone called Steve Rogers “Captain America” in general conversation. “Cap”, sure, but the full moniker, not often if at all. If Stark had happened to have such a fortuitously named piano tutor, then his name would be even more apropo. (especially if the tutor was actually an alien, as Mar-Vell was.) > [@digs](#): > > That’s why I like the conjecture that Fury DID page Carol Danvers, > perhaps on multiple occasions, but certainly to say \*\* > WE NEED YOU TO HELP DEFEAT CRAZYASS > INVADING ALIEN ARMY AND GET SHAWARMAH.\*\* > > This time she was within range to get the beep. She probably received the beep, but took a week to get there. Too late even for shawarma. Though it would be amusing if they did a post post credits scene, where they reuse the post credits scene from Avengers, but tack on at the end Danvers showing up, asking if she is too late. > [@Strassia](#): > > It is heavily implied in the End Game trailers that years have passed after the end of Infinity Wars. That is a long time to wait for help in an emergency. > > Sent from my Pixel 3 XL using Tapatalk I don’t know about years. Enough time for people to get back from Wakanda, but that could be mere hours with the tech available. They were still receiving death notices, with the numbers for the areas and countries still a blur from scrolling. I’d say somewhere between a day and a week. Maybe if Banner had crashed into the Avenger’s headquarters rather than Strange’s mansion, Fury could have messaged early enough to get her back in time to do some good. ---
**Author:** ![pmwgreen](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/edb3f5/32.png) [@pmwgreen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/pmwgreen)\ **Post date:** [March 17, 2019, 9:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/captain-marvel-seen-it-spoiler-thread/830952/97 "2019-03-17T21:56:13Z")
> [@Acsenray](#): > > A character doesn’t have to be addressed that way in-world. The classic example is Doctor Who, who always introduces himself as “The Doctor”. Can someone explain the final end-credits scene? It looks like the ninety’s with that old monitor and the Aeron Chair. But his desk looks empty as if he had gone into hiding, Winter Soldier era. ---
**Author:** ![Larry\_Borgia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/larry_borgia/32/156_2.png) [@Larry\_Borgia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Larry_Borgia)\ **Post date:** [March 17, 2019, 10:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/captain-marvel-seen-it-spoiler-thread/830952/98 "2019-03-17T22:28:42Z")
> [@pmwgreen](#): > > The classic example is Doctor Who, who always introduces himself as “The Doctor”. > > Can someone explain the final end-credits scene? It looks like the ninety’s with that old monitor and the Aeron Chair. But his desk looks empty as if he had gone into hiding, Winter Soldier era. He was out getting lunch with Coulson. ---
**Author:** ![dasmoocher](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/dbc845/32.png) [@dasmoocher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dasmoocher)\ **Post date:** [March 17, 2019, 10:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/captain-marvel-seen-it-spoiler-thread/830952/99 "2019-03-17T22:32:55Z")
> [@k9bfriender](#): > > I can’t think of any time that anyone called Steve Rogers “Captain America” in general conversation. “Cap”, sure, but the full moniker, not often if at all. The one time that came to mind for me was when Ant-Man gave Cap his shield back during the airport showdown in _Civil War_. ---
**Author:** ![DigitalC](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ebca7d/32.png) [@DigitalC](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DigitalC)\ **Post date:** [March 18, 2019, 12:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/captain-marvel-seen-it-spoiler-thread/830952/100 "2019-03-18T00:12:39Z")
> [@Airman\_Doors\_USAF](#): > > And so, this movie proves that all of the preceding movies need not have been made, all Fury had to do was page her and wait and that’s that. How did that work out for him in Infinity War? [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/captain-marvel-seen-it-spoiler-thread/830952.md?page=4) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/captain-marvel-seen-it-spoiler-thread/830952.md?page=6)