# Car bomb explodes outside Palm Springs, CA fertility clinic, killing the car's occupant \[17-May-2025\] **URL:** \ **Category:** Miscellaneous and Personal Stuff I Must Share\ **Created:** [May 17, 2025, 11:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/car-bomb-explodes-outside-palm-springs-ca-fertility-clinic-killing-the-cars-occupant-17-may-2025/1018482 "2025-05-17T23:00:38Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![nearwildheaven](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/90db22/32.png) [@nearwildheaven](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/nearwildheaven)\ **Post date:** [May 17, 2025, 11:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/car-bomb-explodes-outside-palm-springs-ca-fertility-clinic-killing-the-cars-occupant-17-may-2025/1018482/1 "2025-05-17T23:00:38Z")
It also caused damage to nearby buildings, including a Denny’s across the street, but the cold-storage room at the clinic is intact. No other explosives were found in the area. I personally think the location was a coincidence, but we’ll have to wait until they find out who did this, and why, and why they chose that location to set the bomb off. > **[Suspect identified in deadly blast outside Palm Springs fertility clinic, per...](https://abcnews.go.com/US/explosion-shakes-palm-springs-residents-instructed-stay/story?id=121910709)** > > One person was killed and at least four other people were injured after a vehicle exploded outside of a fertility clinic in Palm Springs, California. ---
**Author:** ![Monty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/monty/32/47_2.png) [@Monty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Monty)\ **Post date:** [May 17, 2025, 11:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/car-bomb-explodes-outside-palm-springs-ca-fertility-clinic-killing-the-cars-occupant-17-may-2025/1018482/2 "2025-05-17T23:21:56Z")
Your link quoted someone from ARC saying they would be fully operational Monday. I’m wondering how that can be after I looked at the picture in the article. And it’s a downright miracle the “reproductive material” (as they called it) was unaffected. ---
**Author:** ![Jackmannii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jackmannii/32/311_2.png) [@Jackmannii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jackmannii)\ **Post date:** [May 17, 2025, 11:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/car-bomb-explodes-outside-palm-springs-ca-fertility-clinic-killing-the-cars-occupant-17-may-2025/1018482/3 "2025-05-17T23:30:03Z")
Given the severe damage apparently centered on the clinic, it’s a leap for me to call it coincidence that the bomber just happened to be there in the parking lot. We’ll have to see what the investigation turns up - but there’s some craziness surrounding IVF, including referring to embryos as [“extrauterine children”](https://www.theguardian.com/society/2024/feb/23/fertility-doctors-reaction-alabama-embryo-ruling). ---
**Author:** ![LSLGuy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lslguy/32/5813_2.png) [@LSLGuy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LSLGuy)\ **Post date:** [May 17, 2025, 11:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/car-bomb-explodes-outside-palm-springs-ca-fertility-clinic-killing-the-cars-occupant-17-may-2025/1018482/4 "2025-05-17T23:41:41Z")
That looks a lot like a car drove through the building at speed starting from the street side, detonated while inside the building, then the car wreckage was carried by its momentum out into the rear parking lot. However exactly it played out, the perp did a very thorough number on the building. Wackos targeting abortion clinics are common enough. Who gets angry at a fertility clinic? Some wannabe parent who paid a lot of money and still had a failure? Or a religious wacko who thinks fertility treatments are “playing god?” Or was this just ordinary workplace violence or somebody attacking an ex- and it’s just coincidence the target was a place with some (small) political / cultural profile? All questions I hope we get good answers to. ---
**Author:** ![DrDeth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b487fb/32.png) [@DrDeth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrDeth)\ **Post date:** [May 17, 2025, 11:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/car-bomb-explodes-outside-palm-springs-ca-fertility-clinic-killing-the-cars-occupant-17-may-2025/1018482/5 "2025-05-17T23:44:49Z")
> [@Jackmannii](#): > > Given the severe damage apparently centered on the clinic, it’s a leap for me to call it coincidence that the bomber just happened to be there in the parking lot. I am calling as 66% the clinic was targeted. ---
**Author:** ![Velocity](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/velocity/32/18006_2.png) [@Velocity](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Velocity)\ **Post date:** [May 17, 2025, 11:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/car-bomb-explodes-outside-palm-springs-ca-fertility-clinic-killing-the-cars-occupant-17-may-2025/1018482/6 "2025-05-17T23:47:23Z")
> [@LSLGuy](#): > > Wackos targeting abortion clinics are common enough. Who gets angry at a fertility clinic? Some wannabe parent who paid a lot of money and still had a failure? Or a religious wacko who thinks fertility treatments are “playing god?” Among pro-life activists, there is a belief of many that fertility clinics are doing de facto abortion on a mass scale. A significant number of embryos are destroyed in the process of IVF. So they see it as a de facto, if unintentional, abortion clinic. ---
**Author:** ![LSLGuy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lslguy/32/5813_2.png) [@LSLGuy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LSLGuy)\ **Post date:** [May 18, 2025, 12:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/car-bomb-explodes-outside-palm-springs-ca-fertility-clinic-killing-the-cars-occupant-17-may-2025/1018482/7 "2025-05-18T00:07:07Z")
D’oh! I’d totally forgotten that particular leaf on the anti-abortion loony tree. Thank you. With that revised prior, my new odds it was a targeted anti-abortion attack jump to 90%.. ---
**Author:** ![MacDoc](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/macdoc/32/18696_2.png) [@MacDoc](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MacDoc)\ **Post date:** [May 18, 2025, 1:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/car-bomb-explodes-outside-palm-springs-ca-fertility-clinic-killing-the-cars-occupant-17-may-2025/1018482/8 "2025-05-18T01:23:07Z")
Bit of Darwin at play this time. 🦘 ---
**Author:** ![nearwildheaven](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/90db22/32.png) [@nearwildheaven](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/nearwildheaven)\ **Post date:** [May 18, 2025, 2:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/car-bomb-explodes-outside-palm-springs-ca-fertility-clinic-killing-the-cars-occupant-17-may-2025/1018482/9 "2025-05-18T02:39:50Z")
Maybe they have other locations, and will move the stored materials there over the weekend? ---
**Author:** ![nearwildheaven](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/90db22/32.png) [@nearwildheaven](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/nearwildheaven)\ **Post date:** [May 18, 2025, 2:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/car-bomb-explodes-outside-palm-springs-ca-fertility-clinic-killing-the-cars-occupant-17-may-2025/1018482/10 "2025-05-18T02:40:56Z")
My initial theory - that it wasn’t targeted - appears to be wrong. The decedent has apparently been identified, and a manifesto located. If this is true, the whole thing is a doozy. Details to follow upon confirmation. ---
**Author:** ![bobot](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bobot/32/21622_2.png) [@bobot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bobot)\ **Post date:** [May 18, 2025, 3:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/car-bomb-explodes-outside-palm-springs-ca-fertility-clinic-killing-the-cars-occupant-17-may-2025/1018482/11 "2025-05-18T03:34:08Z")
> [@nearwildheaven](#): > > I personally think the location was a coincidence, but we’ll have to wait until they find out who did this, … My money is on the dead guy in the car. ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [May 18, 2025, 4:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/car-bomb-explodes-outside-palm-springs-ca-fertility-clinic-killing-the-cars-occupant-17-may-2025/1018482/12 "2025-05-18T04:07:03Z")
It is going to be labeled a “false flag” operation. ---
**Author:** ![Tim\_T-Bonham.net](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/46a35a/32.png) [@Tim\_T-Bonham.net](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tim_T-Bonham.net)\ **Post date:** [May 18, 2025, 6:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/car-bomb-explodes-outside-palm-springs-ca-fertility-clinic-killing-the-cars-occupant-17-may-2025/1018482/13 "2025-05-18T06:12:58Z")
> [@LSLGuy](#): > > Wackos targeting abortion clinics are common enough. Though sometimes not that effective. Years ago, we had a bomb attack at a St. Paul Public Library. About all it did was damage a garbage dumpster, etc. in the loading dock. But nobody understood Why? Who was mad at the library? Until they realized that the address was 1 number different from the Planned Parenthood Clinic located in a similar building across the street. Presumably the Pro-Lifers hired in out-of-town bombers, who got the address wrong when planting a bomb in the middle of the night. ---
**Author:** ![OttoDaFe](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ottodafe/32/356_2.png) [@OttoDaFe](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/OttoDaFe)\ **Post date:** [May 18, 2025, 7:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/car-bomb-explodes-outside-palm-springs-ca-fertility-clinic-killing-the-cars-occupant-17-may-2025/1018482/14 "2025-05-18T07:11:03Z")
I haven’t seen the manifesto (I’m not sure it’s been released), but one report I did see includes “being born without his consent” among his complaints. _Dee-dee-dee-dee-dee-dee-dee-dee_. ---
**Author:** ![Darren\_Garrison](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/darren_garrison/32/92_2.png) [@Darren\_Garrison](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Darren_Garrison)\ **Post date:** [May 18, 2025, 8:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/car-bomb-explodes-outside-palm-springs-ca-fertility-clinic-killing-the-cars-occupant-17-may-2025/1018482/15 "2025-05-18T20:32:02Z")
Yep, antinatalist. ---
**Author:** ![Jackmannii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jackmannii/32/311_2.png) [@Jackmannii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jackmannii)\ **Post date:** [May 18, 2025, 8:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/car-bomb-explodes-outside-palm-springs-ca-fertility-clinic-killing-the-cars-occupant-17-may-2025/1018482/16 "2025-05-18T20:41:27Z")
A New York Post [article](http://nypost.com/2025/05/18/us-news/ivf-clinic-bomber-identified-as-guy-edward-bartkus/) identifies the suspected bomber\* as a ‘pro-mortalist’. So events worked out well for him. \*who bears a certain resemblance to the Sheldon character on _The Big Bang Theory_. ---
**Author:** ![Chronos](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chronos/32/134_2.png) [@Chronos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chronos)\ **Post date:** [May 18, 2025, 8:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/car-bomb-explodes-outside-palm-springs-ca-fertility-clinic-killing-the-cars-occupant-17-may-2025/1018482/17 "2025-05-18T20:44:49Z")
It’s so refreshing, these days, to see a non-political sort of crazy. ---
**Author:** ![Dr.Strangelove](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dr.strangelove/32/6613_2.png) [@Dr.Strangelove](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dr.Strangelove)\ **Post date:** [May 18, 2025, 8:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/car-bomb-explodes-outside-palm-springs-ca-fertility-clinic-killing-the-cars-occupant-17-may-2025/1018482/18 "2025-05-18T20:57:52Z")
Is it non-political? Seems very left-leaning to me. We’ve had a few anti-natalists on the board, like: > [@Anti-Natalism and the case for human extinction](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anti-natalism-and-the-case-for-human-extinction/476433): > > In this post I will outline the reasons why creating new human beings is wrong. If everybody followed my moral philosophy, the human race would go extinct. However, I will argue that this is the most preferable outcome for humanity. David Benatar, in Better Never To Have Been, The Harm of Coming Into Existence, makes the best case I’ve seen so far against babymaking. It’s a principle he called “Asymmetry.” Point 3 may seem ludicrous. How can something be GOOD if it’s not good for someone? In… I think **ZPG\_Zealot** counts, also. ---
**Author:** ![nearwildheaven](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/90db22/32.png) [@nearwildheaven](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/nearwildheaven)\ **Post date:** [May 18, 2025, 10:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/car-bomb-explodes-outside-palm-springs-ca-fertility-clinic-killing-the-cars-occupant-17-may-2025/1018482/19 "2025-05-18T22:12:15Z")
He looks to me like a younger version of Pete Buttigieg. Anyway, looks like my original theory was wrong. At least this wackjob didn’t get to livestream it. ---
**Author:** ![nearwildheaven](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/90db22/32.png) [@nearwildheaven](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/nearwildheaven)\ **Post date:** [May 18, 2025, 10:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/car-bomb-explodes-outside-palm-springs-ca-fertility-clinic-killing-the-cars-occupant-17-may-2025/1018482/20 "2025-05-18T22:13:04Z")
ISTR that she was banned, because she was sending bizarre PMs to some members. I was spared, but if this is who I’m thinking of, that’s why she went bye-bye. [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/car-bomb-explodes-outside-palm-springs-ca-fertility-clinic-killing-the-cars-occupant-17-may-2025/1018482.md?page=2)