# Car mows down more pedestrians in Finsbury Park, London. **URL:** \ **Category:** Miscellaneous and Personal Stuff I Must Share\ **Created:** [June 19, 2017, 2:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/car-mows-down-more-pedestrians-in-finsbury-park-london/789350 "2017-06-19T02:07:05Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![kambuckta](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/53a042/32.png) [@kambuckta](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kambuckta)\ **Post date:** [June 19, 2017, 2:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/car-mows-down-more-pedestrians-in-finsbury-park-london/789350/1 "2017-06-19T02:07:05Z")
[Story here](http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-london-40322960) Shit. :mad: ---
**Author:** ![running\_coach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/running_coach/32/15836_2.png) [@running\_coach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/running_coach)\ **Post date:** [June 19, 2017, 2:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/car-mows-down-more-pedestrians-in-finsbury-park-london/789350/2 "2017-06-19T02:37:48Z")
Early reports are that the victims were leaving a mosque. ---
**Author:** ![The\_Tooth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/c67d28/32.png) [@The\_Tooth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Tooth)\ **Post date:** [June 19, 2017, 2:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/car-mows-down-more-pedestrians-in-finsbury-park-london/789350/3 "2017-06-19T02:40:01Z")
I eagerly await the calls for all white men to be jailed or deported from England. ---
**Author:** ![Baron\_Greenback](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/baron_greenback/32/48_2.png) [@Baron\_Greenback](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Baron_Greenback)\ **Post date:** [June 19, 2017, 2:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/car-mows-down-more-pedestrians-in-finsbury-park-london/789350/4 "2017-06-19T02:47:21Z")
> [@The\_Tooth](#): > > I eagerly await the calls for all white men to be jailed or deported from England. What do you think you have achieved here? ---
**Author:** ![Kolak\_of\_Twilo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kolak_of_twilo/32/73_2.png) [@Kolak\_of\_Twilo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kolak_of_Twilo)\ **Post date:** [June 19, 2017, 2:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/car-mows-down-more-pedestrians-in-finsbury-park-london/789350/5 "2017-06-19T02:49:53Z")
Is it just me or are the media and law enforcement being much more cautious about calling this an act of terror than is normal? The witness accounts seem to make it clear that the person was accelerating when they hit those outside the mosque. That at least indicates it was very likely not an accident. Why the reticence in this case but not some of the other recent attacks? ---
**Author:** ![running\_coach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/running_coach/32/15836_2.png) [@running\_coach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/running_coach)\ **Post date:** [June 19, 2017, 2:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/car-mows-down-more-pedestrians-in-finsbury-park-london/789350/6 "2017-06-19T02:57:19Z")
> [@Kolak\_of\_Twilo](#): > > Is it just me or are the media and law enforcement being much more cautious about calling this an act of terror than is normal? The witness accounts seem to make it clear that the person was accelerating when they hit those outside the mosque. That at least indicates it was very likely not an accident. Why the reticence in this case but not some of the other recent attacks? There’s always a (far-fetched) chance of a stuck throttle or medical problem. When you start stabbing the people you just ran down, that removes doubt. ---
**Author:** ![Kolak\_of\_Twilo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kolak_of_twilo/32/73_2.png) [@Kolak\_of\_Twilo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kolak_of_Twilo)\ **Post date:** [June 19, 2017, 3:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/car-mows-down-more-pedestrians-in-finsbury-park-london/789350/7 "2017-06-19T03:03:12Z")
> [@running\_coach](#): > > There’s always a (far-fetched) chance of a stuck throttle or medical problem. > > When you start stabbing the people you just ran down, that removes doubt. Good point. ---
**Author:** ![The\_Tooth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/c67d28/32.png) [@The\_Tooth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Tooth)\ **Post date:** [June 19, 2017, 3:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/car-mows-down-more-pedestrians-in-finsbury-park-london/789350/8 "2017-06-19T03:14:52Z")
> [@Baron\_Greenback](#): > > What do you think you have achieved here? Expressed my contempt for bigots through sarcasm. ---
**Author:** ![Walken\_After\_Midnight](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/b487fb/32.png) [@Walken\_After\_Midnight](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Walken_After_Midnight)\ **Post date:** [June 19, 2017, 3:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/car-mows-down-more-pedestrians-in-finsbury-park-london/789350/9 "2017-06-19T03:16:04Z")
From what I’ve heard and read, there are late evening prayers currently being held every night for Ramadan at mosques, and there were a lot of Muslims in the area at the time, which was after midnight local time. One eyewitness report I heard was that someone had collapsed, perhaps because of the heat, and there was a crowd of Muslims around giving assistance. A van then mounted the pavement and drove into this crowd. It’s reported that there were around ten people injured. The van came to a stop, probably because it crashed into something. The driver was then apprehended - this is [apparently footage of him being arrested](https://twitter.com/AlaminMediaCo/status/876611194571948033). I’ve also read unconfirmed reports that two other people in the van ran away and escaped capture. ---
**Author:** ![raventhief](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/raventhief/32/4_2.png) [@raventhief](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/raventhief)\ **Post date:** [June 19, 2017, 3:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/car-mows-down-more-pedestrians-in-finsbury-park-london/789350/10 "2017-06-19T03:39:12Z")
> [@running\_coach](#): > > There’s always a (far-fetched) chance of a stuck throttle or medical problem. > > When you start stabbing the people you just ran down, that removes doubt. Watching bbc news and they said reports are that counter terrorist forces are joining the regular police. ---
**Author:** ![Walken\_After\_Midnight](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/b487fb/32.png) [@Walken\_After\_Midnight](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Walken_After_Midnight)\ **Post date:** [June 19, 2017, 4:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/car-mows-down-more-pedestrians-in-finsbury-park-london/789350/11 "2017-06-19T04:19:41Z")
I would imagine that counter-terrorism police would be called in as a matter of course if there was any suspicion of a terrorist incident. I haven’t seen any further discussion about other people being in the van, so the reports of there being a couple of people in addition to the driver may not be accurate. It would be a bit strange, anyway, to have two passengers for a vehicular attack who then immediately run away, if it was pre-planned at least. Some have described this as a deliberate act, and the circumstances would suggest it to be so, but I’m not sure that this is conclusive yet, at least from the little information I have seen at this early stage. ---
**Author:** ![MrDibble](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mrdibble/32/114_2.png) [@MrDibble](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MrDibble)\ **Post date:** [June 19, 2017, 4:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/car-mows-down-more-pedestrians-in-finsbury-park-london/789350/12 "2017-06-19T04:51:23Z")
> [@Kolak\_of\_Twilo](#): > > Is it just me or are the media and law enforcement being much more cautious about calling this an act of terror than is normal? From the [BBC](http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-london-40322960): > [@](#): > > Prime Minister Theresa May will chair an emergency meeting later and said police were treating it “as a potential terrorist attack”. That seems about the same as other incidents. ---
**Author:** ![Dale\_Sams](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/779978/32.png) [@Dale\_Sams](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dale_Sams)\ **Post date:** [June 19, 2017, 5:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/car-mows-down-more-pedestrians-in-finsbury-park-london/789350/13 "2017-06-19T05:29:10Z")
> [@The\_Tooth](#): > > Expressed my contempt for bigots through sarcasm. My favorite tweet of the night was after some girl posted: “Funny how when it’s a white person, it isn’t called a terrorist att…” And about 75 Brits told her to “Shut the Fuck Up. People are likely dead and your tiresome game of ‘spot the racist’ is loathsome.” ---
**Author:** ![Evan\_Drake](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/b487fb/32.png) [@Evan\_Drake](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Evan_Drake)\ **Post date:** [June 19, 2017, 6:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/car-mows-down-more-pedestrians-in-finsbury-park-london/789350/14 "2017-06-19T06:03:35Z")
> [@The\_Tooth](#): > > Expressed my contempt for bigots through sarcasm. Didn’t really work did it ? Better luck next time. ---
**Author:** ![Aspidistra](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aspidistra/32/3894_2.png) [@Aspidistra](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Aspidistra)\ **Post date:** [June 19, 2017, 7:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/car-mows-down-more-pedestrians-in-finsbury-park-london/789350/15 "2017-06-19T07:14:01Z")
I’ve been musing for a long time (like, a number of years) on how good a weapon of indiscriminate destruction a car would be, and being very thankful that murderous bastards hadn’t yet figured it out. Looks like that’s all changed now. Terrorists. Not only morally bankrupt, but also without two original thoughts to rub together. I guess that’s one small ray of sunshine. We only have to protect against the forms of destruction that are currently fashionable. Apparently this year it’s cars. ---
**Author:** ![Marci\_Al](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e47c2d/32.png) [@Marci\_Al](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Marci_Al)\ **Post date:** [June 19, 2017, 7:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/car-mows-down-more-pedestrians-in-finsbury-park-london/789350/16 "2017-06-19T07:16:08Z")
“Muslims don’t feel safe.” ---
**Author:** ![kambuckta](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/53a042/32.png) [@kambuckta](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kambuckta)\ **Post date:** [June 19, 2017, 7:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/car-mows-down-more-pedestrians-in-finsbury-park-london/789350/17 "2017-06-19T07:21:10Z")
> [@Marci\_Al](#): > > “Muslims don’t feel safe.” And? ---
**Author:** ![up\_the\_junction](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/f1d935/32.png) [@up\_the\_junction](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/up_the_junction)\ **Post date:** [June 19, 2017, 7:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/car-mows-down-more-pedestrians-in-finsbury-park-london/789350/18 "2017-06-19T07:30:39Z")
Looks like a van rental from Wales. ---
**Author:** ![naita](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/naita/32/5862_2.png) [@naita](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/naita)\ **Post date:** [June 19, 2017, 7:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/car-mows-down-more-pedestrians-in-finsbury-park-london/789350/19 "2017-06-19T07:38:17Z")
> [@Evan\_Drake](#): > > Didn’t really work did it ? Better luck next time. High Lord of functional sarcasm are you? Or just a fan of the “if one person doesn’t get it it failed”-rule? ---
**Author:** ![kambuckta](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/53a042/32.png) [@kambuckta](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kambuckta)\ **Post date:** [June 19, 2017, 7:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/car-mows-down-more-pedestrians-in-finsbury-park-london/789350/20 "2017-06-19T07:38:27Z")
> [@Marci\_Al](#): > > “Muslims don’t feel safe.” I ask again, AND? Why did you put your post in quote marks? Is there some other message you’re trying to convey? I’m not going to go all bolshie just yet, awaiting a reply. [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/car-mows-down-more-pedestrians-in-finsbury-park-london/789350.md?page=2)