He can’t hijack a thread without cooperation. Too many people think of him as the Great White Whale and dream of being the person who gets him to admit that he’s wrong. So, like Ahab, they chase him all over the digital sea and fling their logical harpoons at him, knowing that his hide is as tough as a two dollar steak. All this to try to impress a lawyer who spent his life as a public defender, who never thought he had an innocent client, and after a lifetime of cashing government checks, is an apologist for the party that teaches that anyone who ever cashed a government check is the enemy of the state. What a fucking waste of time.
Yep. But what I personally find curious is that as predictable as he is, for whatever reason every once in a while he still manages to piss me off - at least momentarily before I remember the source. I wish his posts did not have the allure of a couple arguing in public - I look, and then wish I hadn’t. Maybe the reason I look at both is the same - seeing folk behave poorly in public, or reading Bricker’s posts - makes me happy I am not them.
And trying to get him to admit error is like wrestling the proverbial pig - even if you win, you end up with shit on you.
He is very effective at what he does. Unfortunate choice of hobby, but to each his own.
It’s a kind of Streisand-effect-by-proxy.
NITPICK: Pretty sure Bricker’s admitted knowing that some of his clients were factually guilty; he’s never thought he had a client who wasn’t entitled to as aggressive a defense as he could bring to bear (within the bounds of legal and ethical behavior).
I believe BobLibDem’s claim is that Bricker has stated that he knew, of all his clients, that they were guilty.
Which I don’t really see as a valid criticism of a defense lawyer, for the record.
An embryo is not automatically a human being. Chemical pregnancies and tubal pregnancies and early miscarriages aren’t human beings. They’re just fertilized eggs and nothing more. You are blinded by your adherence to ignorant, arrogant, ludicrously sanctimonious Catholic church doctrine. You can call them human beings all you like but they aren’t. Comparing my ectopic to my ten year or my toddler is a ridiculous assertion that almost no one would accept.
I wouldn’t give a damn how you and the Church of Celibate Old Men Who Despise Women thought about this matter most of the time. But when you start telling me and my girls and all the rest of the world’s women of childbearing age that we should have to sacrifice a fallopian tube or delay medical care or even risk death because of your idiotic beliefs I start to get just a wee bit irked.
You and the priests and the bishops and the cardinal and the pope himself are free to have surgery rather than a methotrexate shot should you have an ectopic pregnancy. You are not free to start dictating medical procedures to women in the name of said stupid beliefs.
Is that clear?
It’s a fertilized egg, Bricker. That’s all it is. The Catholic church’s worship of them is a bizarre fetish.
And a particularly absurd one given that the sanctity of actual human beings such as “perfidious Jews” who would like not to die after accusations by Catholich priests about poisoning wells and making matzo from the blood of little children as well as little children who would prefer not to be molested has never been a high priority for the church.
This is absurd. The church and its supporters are going through this sort of over the top, pat themselves on the back for their oh so moral beliefs handwringing while shielding pedophiles and Nazis. So a woman is told she’s a sinner if has a shot to protect herself against a malignant clump of cells but people who do obviously bad things like murder Jews and molest little boys are protected by that exact same church.
Disgusting.
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That’s what I get for thinking I have reading comprehension while the coffee is still brewing.
Well said, Lavender. I would add that Bricker and others like him are as much a part of the problem of child molesting as the Catholic hierarchy. Because the Catholic hierarchy KNOWS that they can get away with their shit because guys (and gals) like Bricker will stay in the Catholic church and support them, no matter what. Basically, the laity are giving the hierarchies free tickets to do whatever the hell they like. Ordinary Catholics are enablers of child molesters and rapists. They need to be called on this.
You have a reasonable overall point, but I think saying “as much” is going way too far. Between Bricker and Cardinal Mahoney, one of them actively took actions that prevented criminal prosecution of criminals and kept those criminals free so they could molest further innocent children, while holding an office which ought to make such actions even more unthinkable – and one of them didn’t.
Apparently, he thinks that having a bunch of other intact, functioning organs is enough to make one a person.
Ah, but there’s the rub. Someone who is clinically brain-dead with no chance of recovery is essentially an organ donor, assuming that they’ve left a directive or other orders letting people know that they should be disconnected from life support.
And here is another case: My friend D’s niece gave birth to a girl with no brain. She had a brain stem–just enough to provide autonomic functions–but none of the five senses. (Senses don’t operate in the absence of a cerebrum and cerebellum.) D said it was very awkward just to be around her. No interaction. You’d look into her eyes and nobody was home. It was like staring at a doll’s eyes. She lived (existed?) for about a year and a half. Was she a person? I’m inclined to say no. She had no consciousness and was never going to have any, as mentioned here under Signs and Symptoms (beware of disturbing photos):
Just having reflexes and a heartbeat and lung function is not enough.
No. To the contrary, an embryo IS a human being, despite the arrogance of death-worshiping leftists such as yourself who say otherwise. You try to suggest that I can’t advocate for laws against abortion because I can’t have an ectopic pregnancy? What an idiotic concept. As a human being, I can absolutely advocate for laws which save the lives of other human beings. If you wish to smother an infant, I can oppose you despite the fact that I am not an infant.
So I AM free to advocate whatever procedures I wish, bound only by what degree I can influence other voting citizens of the value of such ideas. It’s called democracy, a concept perhaps dropped from your education while you were learning how wonderful abortion on demand is.
The Church is 2,000 years old. I certainly agree that “perfidious Jews” was never an admirable behavior from Catholics. But the United States marched American Indians out of their homes after the US Supreme Court ruled they could not do any such thing. “John Marshall has made his decision; now let him enforce it.” Is that a valid criticism to bring up today in an argument about the US government?
Why am I obligated to accept your inclination to say no?
I’m inclined to say “yes,” despite that horrible birth defect she was a person.
But the point is: whether she was, or not, is a matter of how you define person, which is not a matter of scientific fact.
Chemical pregnancies and tubal pregnancies are only infants to the stupid, sexist, ludicrously sanctimonious celibate old men who run the Catholic church. Advocating that women have their medical needs dictated to and their body parts sacrificed to satisfy such psychopaths is utterly immoral.
As someone who went through more infertility hell that I would wish on anyone, even supporters of such psychopaths like yourself, I assure you that I have spent many crying hours praying to god an embryo is indeed a person. But it is not. The embryos that I had in my body as a result of chemical pregnancies, the ectopic and the several failed fertility procedures were just that: embryos.
And that’s it.
No amount of bullshit by an organization that is still to this day is probably shielding pedophiles and doing god knows what other evils can change that fact.
How dare you and the coterie of arrogant idiots you so willingly side with tell any grown woman she cannot remove a threat to her own life except in the manner that you and such idiots find acceptable! How dare you attempt to legislate medical matters for half the human race based on such sheer deliberate ignorance!
You can continue to assert your opinion is The Truth.
And I will reply by asserting my opinion is The Truth.
So: an embryo is a human being, and that’s that. Stop arguing with the truth.
You really see no difference at all between an ectopic pregnancy and a toddler? You really see no difference at all between a chemical pregnancy and a ten year old? You really believe that a woman should be forced to undergo surgery and lose a fallopian tube rather than have a shot or two and save one of her tubes if she has an ectopic pregnancy?
So how many children have I had then, Bricker? Because I can’t even begin to answer that question. I’m not even exactly how many were chemicals, how many were non-existent lines on a pregnancy test that I misread, how many were my miscounting the day I may or may not have conceived and then watched the temp fall on day on 17 instead of eighteen.
Do you not see the absurdity (never mind the evil in making women lose body parts) of that idiotic assertion?
Chemical pregnancies are fairly common. Many women aren’t aware they’ve had one. Is a woman who only has chemical or an ectopic a mother then? My own late mother had two early miscarriages before she had my brother. How many siblings do I have? Do I have only one brother or possibly three?
Your truth is nothing more than a sexist, irrational delusion by an organization that has been terrified of women for over two thousand years. And, alas for the health and well being of all women everything, still continues to be.
So, let me get this straight, here. Andrew Jackson’s rotten genocide against the Cherokee is directly relevant to the question of abortion? Mind if we call you “Stretch”?
I guess there’s no thread having to do with anything Catholic that won’t devolve into an abortion name calling contest (because it sure as shit isn’t an abortion debate), complete with “death worshipping leftists” and “arrogant idiots”. Congratulations Bricker and Lavender Blue, you’ve once again shown why some supposedly grown ups can’t debate anything rationally.
Of for fuck’s sake, don’t make me defend Bricker in the same thread I ripped him a new one, but you’re completely missing the point if you don’t understand his point.
Of course I see a difference. And I see a difference between an infant and a senior citizen.
But that difference doesn’t extend to the question whether they are human. They’re human.
I have no idea how many children you’ve had.
I have no idea. But I can help you. If your mother had a full-term but stillborn boy, would you say you had two brothers? If you would, then you’ve answered your own question.
It’s about as relevant as this abortion debate is to Mahoney’s game of pass the pedo.