Please provide proof.
Sure:
Since you’ve said there’s reason to believe he did shady things, I’m willing to take you at your word.
That’s about as blatant a quoting out of context as I’ve seen, Isamu. It’ll earn you a warning. Please don’t do it again.
Thirded.
~Max
Sorry, I didn’t realize I had posted that. I was copying and pasting a lot.
How many Japanese war criminals were prosecuted bu the Japanese government? I couldnt find a single case. Instead, Japanese popular opinion cried out for early release of Japanese war criminals tried by the Allies.
Japanese soldiers also happily sent pics back to Japan of them committing war crimes. As horrifying as that is, we should be grateful because without that photographic evidence, the Japanese government would simply denied that they ever happened.
Its a mistake to think that the Japanese, and many other nations, hold the same beliefs as we do concerning the law and moral and ethical values. Thats on us for our arrogance.
What’s your point and what does it have to do with what Isamu said?
Did you even read what he wrote?
Well, WWII is another issue not really pertinent here, but you are right in that they have a different legal system and a different point of view about how society should be ordered.
Shady to me doesn’t mean illegal. I don’t think I am splitting hairs.
You didn’t say shady. The plain reading of your words, to me, indicates that many, many executives break the law in Japan on these matters, assisted by many of their lawyers and whatnot. But it is only gaijin who get prosecuted, and others get fined, and the accountants and lawyers are also “culpable.”
Look, if you are using words like “pay fines” and “culpable” in some way that doesn’t actually meaning “they broke the law,” then just go ahead and clarify. But as I said before, my plain reading of your words is that many people break the law but only foreigners get arrested.
That clearly seems to be an argument that Ghosn was doing the same thing that many others were doing: breaking the law.
Unless you’re now going to revise your argument to everyone EXCEPT Ghosn was breaking the law…
I never revise my argument because it is always thought out to the conclusion. If he was breaking the law then please try him in a court of law within a decent time-frame.
They couldn’t do that, So something was wrong.
But whether or not a person committed a crime and whether they are treated fairly by the justice system can be two separate issues.
A murderer may go free because the police violated his rights. That doesn’t mean that he didn’t break the law - just means he can’t be punished for it.
As I’ve said several times, it sounds like Ghosn broke the law AND he’s been treated unfairly by the authorities. It seems like you agree with that in some posts, and disagree with it in others.
What law?
The laws you say that Japanese executives break all the time.
Thanks for being an egg.
Was Nissan penetrated by Yakuza before, during, and/or after Ghosn’s tenure?
That’ll get you another warning, Isamu.
You are henceforth forbidden from participating in this thread forever.
As near as i can tell, Ghosn is an asshole who got taken down by bigger assholes. No sympathy here.
Whatever racism and institutional problems exist in the Japanese legal system, they don’t change the fact that Renault uncovered 11 million euros in questionable expense by Ghosn, and that he was fined $1 million by the SEC for failure to disclose $140 million in pay from Nissan. I have no doubt that he is a crook and perpetrator of massive financial frauds. He’s also someone who has enough legitimate and stolen money and P.R. savvy to play the press and turn himself into a victim.