# Carly Fiorina announces presidential campaign **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Created:** [May 4, 2015, 12:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/carly-fiorina-announces-presidential-campaign/719231 "2015-05-04T12:16:39Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 5
**Author:** ![Spiny\_Norman](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/9de0a6/32.png) [@Spiny\_Norman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Spiny_Norman)\ **Post date:** [May 12, 2015, 5:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/carly-fiorina-announces-presidential-campaign/719231/81 "2015-05-12T17:45:44Z")
> [@WillFarnaby](#): > > On the other hand, business owners have a much greater incentive to increase the long term wealth of a company. That’s a weird thing to post in a thread about about Fiorina, who did the exact opposite in all 3 companies she broke. > [@](#): > > Also “turning a profit” allows business operators to know they are increasing the wealth of society. They take means that are of low value to consumers and create ends that are of higher value to consumers, as demonstrated by the market prices of means and ends. The difference is profit. Do you know what an externality is? ---
**Author:** ![racepug](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/f1d935/32.png) [@racepug](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/racepug)\ **Post date:** [May 12, 2015, 6:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/carly-fiorina-announces-presidential-campaign/719231/82 "2015-05-12T18:14:31Z")
> [@iiandyiiii](#): > > She’s definitely a liar, but less of one than most prominent Republicans. According to [Politifact](http://www.politifact.com/personalities/hillary-clinton/), she is untruthful significantly less often than Romney, McCain, McConnell, and Boehner, just to name a few examples. > > If you think us liberals all are going to vote for Hillary (assuming she wins the nomination) because we love her, you’re just deluded. Most of us liberals will vote for Hillary because the Republican alternative will be so, so much worse for America. I’m not sure I’d vote for Hillary, anyway. There’s just something (or maybe a few “somethings”) about her that just rubs me the wrong way. Or maybe it’s more (and I’ve mentioned this in other threads) that I don’t think it’s right to have aNOther Clinton (or aNOther Bush) in the White House, at least not so soon after one’s husband (and the other’s brother) occupied it. Ridiculous. So, no - Hillary can’t automatically count on MY vote (either in the primaries OR in the general election) just because the letter “D” precedes her name. But the "R"s stand even LESS of a chance of getting my vote because of what someone else referred to as a “clown-car clusterf\*ck” (or words to that effect) that IS the ReTHUGliCON Party these days. For 2016 I might just have to consider a 3rd party candidate for President. Or just not vote at all. ---
**Author:** ![Dag\_Otto](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/439d5e/32.png) [@Dag\_Otto](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dag_Otto)\ **Post date:** [May 12, 2015, 6:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/carly-fiorina-announces-presidential-campaign/719231/83 "2015-05-12T18:48:45Z")
[Unimaginative and petty](http://www.newsweek.com/carly-fiorina-domaingate-buys-chucktodd-sethmeyers-330718). Though she probably thinks it’s clever. [Fiorinaactslikeatwoyearoldwithatantrum.com](http://Fiorinaactslikeatwoyearoldwithatantrum.com) might be available. ---
**Author:** ![ElvisL1ves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5daacb/32.png) [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)\ **Post date:** [May 12, 2015, 6:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/carly-fiorina-announces-presidential-campaign/719231/84 "2015-05-12T18:52:52Z")
> [@Spiny\_Norman](#): > > Do you know what an externality is? Hint: It’s something that business leaders can pretend exists, but not public servants. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [May 12, 2015, 6:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/carly-fiorina-announces-presidential-campaign/719231/85 "2015-05-12T18:56:09Z")
> [@racepug](#): > > I’m not sure I’d vote for Hillary, anyway. There’s just something (or maybe a few “somethings”) about her that just rubs me the wrong way. Or maybe it’s more (and I’ve mentioned this in other threads) that I don’t think it’s right to have aNOther Clinton (or aNOther Bush) in the White House, at least not so soon after one’s husband (and the other’s brother) occupied it. Ridiculous. For the sake of the immediate future of the country, I put all that aside. The alternative to Hillary (and in the real world, assuming she is nominated, there is only one – the Republican candidate) would be so dangerous to America, Americans, and the world, that I will very gladly vote for her. She is very far from perfect, but the alternative would be so, so terribly worse. ---
**Author:** ![Rick\_Kitchen](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rick_kitchen/32/522_2.png) [@Rick\_Kitchen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rick_Kitchen)\ **Post date:** [May 12, 2015, 7:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/carly-fiorina-announces-presidential-campaign/719231/86 "2015-05-12T19:05:46Z")
Fiorina owed $500,000 to her campaign staff for four years after her 2010 Senate campaign until she finally paid them off late last year. I guess that golden parachute from HP didn’t last her very long. ---
**Author:** ![Measure\_for\_Measure](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/measure_for_measure/32/557_2.png) [@Measure\_for\_Measure](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Measure_for_Measure)\ **Post date:** [May 13, 2015, 7:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/carly-fiorina-announces-presidential-campaign/719231/87 "2015-05-13T07:24:32Z")
> [@Superdude](#): > > \ > > You _ARE_ aware that her time as CEO wasn’t successful, correct? Laying off 30k people is, in no way, a success. I agree with DJ Motorbike. Fiorina is highly qualified to win the GOP nomination: few can top her incompetence. HP stock lost half of its value during her tenure, the merger with Compaq made no sense and she made Portfolio’s list of [Worst CEO’s of All Time](http://www.cnbc.com/id/30502091/page/3). The wonderful bonuses she paid herself as the stock plummeted were a nice touch. She’s probably less of a human failure than neoconservative GOP Presidential hopeful John Bolton though. I mean Carly only laid off 30,000 people. Bolton was a leading cheerleader for a $2 trillion pointless adventure in Iraq. It will be hard for Fiorina to match that record. ---
**Author:** ![John\_Stamos\_Left\_Ear](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_stamos_left_ear/32/3198_2.png) [@John\_Stamos\_Left\_Ear](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Stamos_Left_Ear)\ **Post date:** [May 13, 2015, 4:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/carly-fiorina-announces-presidential-campaign/719231/88 "2015-05-13T16:43:42Z")
> [@Dag\_Otto](#): > > [Unimaginative and petty](http://www.newsweek.com/carly-fiorina-domaingate-buys-chucktodd-sethmeyers-330718). > > Though she probably thinks it’s clever. Well, that cinches it. I am totally not voting for Seth Meyers, Tech Candidate. ---
**Author:** ![John\_Stamos\_Left\_Ear](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_stamos_left_ear/32/3198_2.png) [@John\_Stamos\_Left\_Ear](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Stamos_Left_Ear)\ **Post date:** [May 28, 2015, 5:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/carly-fiorina-announces-presidential-campaign/719231/89 "2015-05-28T17:59:37Z")
Even though Fiorina has to beat a couple dozen GOP hopefuls before even getting a chance to take on presumptive Democratic nominee Hillary Clinton, her “strategy” (loosely used in this case) seems to involve stalking her and telling us all how horrible she is. This didn’t work out as well as she might have hoped recently: > [@](#): > > Republican presidential hopeful Carly Fiorina’s hastily arranged press conference outside a South Carolina Marriott Hotel where Hillary Clinton was speaking backfired on the former Hewlett-Packard Executive. Fiorina scheduled a press conference where Clinton was speaking so that Fiorina could continue her string of negative attacks against Hillary. > > Fiorina’s attempts to take barbs at Clinton fell apart when a reporter questioned her about appearing at a Clinton Global Initiative event in Denver in 2014. Fiorina tried to deflect by feebly responding: > > > [@](#): > > > > Last year we didn’t know all the things that we now know about the Clinton Foundation. > > When a reporter asked her if she was appearing at the hotel because Hillary Clinton was there, Fiorina improbably answered: > > > [@](#): > > > > I planned this trip many, many weeks ago, so perhaps she’s following me. I have never been following Mrs. Clinton. > > Understandably, reporters seemed unconvinced that Hillary Clinton was visiting South Carolina to follow Carly Fiorina, who is barely registering 1 percent of the vote in GOP primary polls. After struggling to answer several questions, a flustered Fiorina chastised reporters, saying: > > > [@](#): > > > > I hope you will continue to be as aggressive with Mrs. Clinton, wherever she is. > > Shortly thereafter, a Fiorina aide cut off the press conference just 11 minutes after it had begun. > > [Politics USA](http://www.politicususa.com/2015/05/28/carly-fiorina-stunt-taunt-hillary-clinton-south-carolina-hotel-backfires.html) ---
**Author:** ![not\_what\_you\_d\_expect](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/not_what_you_d_expect/32/3246_2.png) [@not\_what\_you\_d\_expect](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/not_what_you_d_expect)\ **Post date:** [September 15, 2015, 11:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/carly-fiorina-announces-presidential-campaign/719231/90 "2015-09-15T11:36:19Z")
Bringing this thread back to life. This ad is spot on. It’s the perfect response to the Donald. “Look At This Face” > **[This Carly Fiorina ad is the perfect comeback to Donald Trump's sexist insults](https://www.vox.com/2015/9/14/9326297/carly-fiorina-ad-response-trump)** > > "Can you imagine that, the face of our next president?" Trump said, according to a Rolling Stone report. But Fiorina's having the last laugh. ---
**Author:** ![LonghornDave](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/a87d85/32.png) [@LonghornDave](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LonghornDave)\ **Post date:** [September 15, 2015, 8:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/carly-fiorina-announces-presidential-campaign/719231/91 "2015-09-15T20:45:59Z")
That’s an excellent ad. ---
**Author:** ![Snowboarder\_Bo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snowboarder_bo/32/229_2.png) [@Snowboarder\_Bo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snowboarder_Bo)\ **Post date:** [September 15, 2015, 8:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/carly-fiorina-announces-presidential-campaign/719231/92 "2015-09-15T20:58:05Z")
That’s a mostly excellent ad, but she lost me when she said “Democrat party”. It’s stupid to take a cheap shot when you’re defending yourself against a cheap shot, IMO. ---
**Author:** ![adaher](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/dec6dc/32.png) [@adaher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/adaher)\ **Post date:** [September 15, 2015, 10:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/carly-fiorina-announces-presidential-campaign/719231/93 "2015-09-15T22:37:37Z")
Fiorina’s got political skills. But what makes her good in campaigns and at ladder climbing does not make her a leader. ---
**Author:** ![Lamar\_Mundane](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/85f322/32.png) [@Lamar\_Mundane](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lamar_Mundane)\ **Post date:** [September 15, 2015, 10:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/carly-fiorina-announces-presidential-campaign/719231/94 "2015-09-15T22:52:51Z")
Fiorina strikes me as someone who is just driven by ambition. She spent all that money one her Senate campaign, lost badly, but came right back try for an even bigger job. She doesn’t seem to have much in the way of policy ideas. Now all the candidates are driven, but they all seem to have a governing philosophy, bad as some of them are. ---
**Author:** ![Ukulele\_Ike](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/df788c/32.png) [@Ukulele\_Ike](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ukulele_Ike)\ **Post date:** [September 16, 2015, 1:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/carly-fiorina-announces-presidential-campaign/719231/95 "2015-09-16T01:16:15Z")
Didn’t Carly get herself the eleventh chair at the ten-chair Big Boy table tomorrow night by whining and bitching that she was left out due to sexism? Doesn’t she claim that she was shitcanned by Hewlitt-Packard after running them into a ditch purely because of sexism? Screw her. Trump can sexism her all he wants, for all I care. ---
**Author:** ![Voyager](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/voyager/32/133_2.png) [@Voyager](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Voyager)\ **Post date:** [September 16, 2015, 10:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/carly-fiorina-announces-presidential-campaign/719231/96 "2015-09-16T22:52:26Z")
> [@adaher](#): > > Fiorina’s got political skills. But what makes her good in campaigns and at ladder climbing does not make her a leader. Political skills? Not in evidence. She botched her Senate campaign worse than she had to (she’d have lost anyway, but not so badly) and got fired by McCain for shooting off her mouth. And HP (both parts) laying of 10% of its workforce in the next few months is going to remind everyone of her layoffs. ---
**Author:** ![adaher](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/dec6dc/32.png) [@adaher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/adaher)\ **Post date:** [September 17, 2015, 3:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/carly-fiorina-announces-presidential-campaign/719231/97 "2015-09-17T03:37:27Z")
What I meant is that she’s good at debating, and her positions are right down the middle of the GOP mainstream across the board. She’s running a very conventional campaign and doing it fairly well. The problem for her, as always, is that she has a shitty record. ---
**Author:** ![DerekMichaels00](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/f14d63/32.png) [@DerekMichaels00](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DerekMichaels00)\ **Post date:** [September 17, 2015, 6:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/carly-fiorina-announces-presidential-campaign/719231/98 "2015-09-17T06:47:23Z")
I think her biggest problem is her HP record. Trump’s opinion of HP’s performance in recent years is in line with most of Wall Street, not to mention consumers (their PC’s have gone downhill since last '90s). Did she really think Trump wouldn’t mention the recent job cuts there and attribute them to the downward slope begun with Fiorina? Her only thing is that she’s a woman; she’s this year’s Alan Keyes or Herman Cain (in terms of sheer tokenism). She’s not Carson, who actually has the conservative credentials. Also, call this “sexist,” or whatever (I’m not a PC liberal, I’m an unPC left-centrist); she is ugly as hell and you need to be somewhat good or acceptable looking on camera to win the election. If it were her vs. Hillary (who has worked on her likeability, and at least has a pretty smile), Fiorina would get smoked. ---
**Author:** ![adaher](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/dec6dc/32.png) [@adaher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/adaher)\ **Post date:** [September 17, 2015, 7:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/carly-fiorina-announces-presidential-campaign/719231/99 "2015-09-17T07:14:46Z")
The Clinton team seems to disagree. They released some oppo research on Fiorina, basically backing up Trump. they obviously would rather face Trump. ---
**Author:** ![RTFirefly](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/c77e96/32.png) [@RTFirefly](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RTFirefly)\ **Post date:** [September 17, 2015, 10:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/carly-fiorina-announces-presidential-campaign/719231/100 "2015-09-17T10:36:41Z")
> [@adaher](#): > > The Clinton team seems to disagree. They released some oppo research on Fiorina, basically backing up Trump. they obviously would rather face Trump. You’re basing this on a single instance of Team Clinton’s releasing negative info on one candidate? One data point is not a pattern. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/carly-fiorina-announces-presidential-campaign/719231.md?page=4) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/carly-fiorina-announces-presidential-campaign/719231.md?page=6)