# CarnalK's final Warning. **URL:** \ **Category:** About This Message Board\ **Created:** [June 17, 2020, 12:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/carnalks-final-warning/855816 "2020-06-17T00:42:46Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![Loach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/loach/32/350_2.png) [@Loach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Loach)\ **Post date:** [June 17, 2020, 12:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/carnalks-final-warning/855816/21 "2020-06-17T12:26:48Z")
> [@Peter\_Morris](#): > > But, leaving that aside, banning someone requires a consensus of moderators. Presumably several moderators who voted for it moderate the forums where the messages I listed were posted. Perhaps they would like to explain why they thought this post was worth a ban, but didn’t moderate any of the other ones. The post was not worth a ban. Very rarely does one post warrant a ban. With a long time poster for one warning to cause a ban would mean that it was a pretty egregious instaban infraction. Like most bannings this was a result of a long pattern of behavior and many warnings. If there is a clear pattern of behavior and warnings after suspension there is no requirement to wait for a particularly severe infraction before banning. ---
**Author:** ![Peter\_Morris](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/peter_morris/32/359_2.png) [@Peter\_Morris](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Peter_Morris)\ **Post date:** [June 17, 2020, 12:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/carnalks-final-warning/855816/22 "2020-06-17T12:43:26Z")
But essentially, you looked at the words “what are you babbling about” and decided that was bad behaviour after a suspension, enough to warrant a banning. Can you explain that? And please tell me, do you think any of the other people using similar phrases deserved a warning? ---
**Author:** ![Chronos](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chronos/32/134_2.png) [@Chronos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chronos)\ **Post date:** [June 17, 2020, 12:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/carnalks-final-warning/855816/23 "2020-06-17T12:56:42Z")
Further context: The “babble” post was a direct answer to a question **asahi** was asked. He was asked what he meant, he said what he meant. Responding to that answer with “what are you babbling about?” serves no purpose other than trying to start a fight. > [@](#): > > Quoth **Lantern** : > > Agreed. And I think mods need to think of the larger context. This board is not exactly attracting new members at a rapid pace. It will soon go through a disruptive change. At least consider reducing perma-bans to longish bans of 3 or 6 months. It’s true that we don’t want to lose members, and it’s true that every time we ban someone, the number of members decreases by 1. But that’s not the only effect of banning or not banning members. Members who misbehave to the point that they get banned can also drive away other members just by their presence. ---
**Author:** ![MrDibble](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mrdibble/32/114_2.png) [@MrDibble](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MrDibble)\ **Post date:** [June 17, 2020, 12:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/carnalks-final-warning/855816/24 "2020-06-17T12:59:07Z")
> [@DSeid](#): > > **QZ is NOT GQ.** Take it up with **Colibri** , I’m just repeating what he said. I don’t frequent the QZ very much. But I \*do \*frequent GQ, and that kind of thing will definitely get you modded there. You may feel QZ is not modded to the same standard. One of its mods disagrees. Pointing to instances of non-modding for similar wording doesn’t actually settle the issue either way. Unless they were reported. ---
**Author:** ![asahi](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/asahi/32/8693_2.png) [@asahi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/asahi)\ **Post date:** [June 17, 2020, 1:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/carnalks-final-warning/855816/25 "2020-06-17T13:11:14Z")
I’m probably biased, as I was the target of CK’s post. I’ll point out, however, that I’ve defended CK in the past, contesting a previous warning against him maybe over a year ago. I personally didn’t take particular umbrage at the remark, but like almost everyone else here, I’ve come to recognize that he just likes being a jerk. He can’t post without being a jerk. I’ve probably backed off of responding to about 10 of his posts over the years for fear of saying something even more jerkish in response and I don’t want to open up a pit thread every time someone is being an unnecessary a-hole. I personally don’t agree with most of the bannings that have taken place here, but it ain’t my board and nobody asked for my opinion. OTOH, CarnalK was given plenty of opportunities not to be a jerk. It’s not like he wasn’t warned. ---
**Author:** ![DSeid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dseid/32/20194_2.png) [@DSeid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DSeid)\ **Post date:** [June 17, 2020, 1:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/carnalks-final-warning/855816/26 "2020-06-17T13:19:07Z")
> [@Loach](#): > > The post was not worth a ban. Very rarely does one post warrant a ban. With a long time poster for one warning to cause a ban would mean that it was a pretty egregious instaban infraction. Like most bannings this was a result of a long pattern of behavior and many warnings. If there is a clear pattern of behavior and warnings after suspension there is no requirement to wait for a particularly severe infraction before banning. The post was not worth a ban. Or a warning. Or a note. Any standard that says it was at all out of range for the forum is one not actually in place for the forum and comes off as made up for the purpose of banning the poster. Let him do something worth a warning before banning him. ---
**Author:** ![DSeid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dseid/32/20194_2.png) [@DSeid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DSeid)\ **Post date:** [June 17, 2020, 1:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/carnalks-final-warning/855816/27 "2020-06-17T13:26:52Z")
> [@Loach](#): > > The post was not worth a ban. Very rarely does one post warrant a ban. With a long time poster for one warning to cause a ban would mean that it was a pretty egregious instaban infraction. Like most bannings this was a result of a long pattern of behavior and many warnings. If there is a clear pattern of behavior and warnings after suspension there is no requirement to wait for a particularly severe infraction before banning. The post was not worth a ban. Or a warning. Or a note. Any standard that says it was at all out of range for the forum is one not actually in place for the forum and comes off as made up for the purpose of banning the poster. Let him do something worth a warning before banning him. ---
**Author:** ![Jasmine](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jasmine/32/2964_2.png) [@Jasmine](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jasmine)\ **Post date:** [June 17, 2020, 1:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/carnalks-final-warning/855816/28 "2020-06-17T13:27:29Z")
> [@MrDibble](#): > > We’ve long had the idea that you can insult off-board people in ways you can’t insult posters. Really? I think the first warning I got was for disparaging the U.S. medical establishment in general. I didn’t even mention any specific doctors. I think it was in GQ, and I think it was from Colibri ---
**Author:** ![DSeid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dseid/32/20194_2.png) [@DSeid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DSeid)\ **Post date:** [June 17, 2020, 1:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/carnalks-final-warning/855816/29 "2020-06-17T13:32:12Z")
> [@Chronos](#): > > Further context: The “babble” post was a direct answer to a question **asahi** was asked. He was asked what he meant, he said what he meant. Responding to that answer with “what are you babbling about?” serves no purpose other than trying to start a fight. > It’s true that we don’t want to lose members, and it’s true that every time we ban someone, the number of members decreases by 1. But that’s not the only effect of banning or not banning members. Members who misbehave to the point that they get banned can also drive away other members just by their presence. You are missing the context. The babble begins with asahi’s jerking “riiiigght” continues with the off topic rant when asked what that meant. It was babbling. Responding to a very specific point about regions with general shit. Calling it out as such is reasonable even if not worth the effort. ---
**Author:** ![MrDibble](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mrdibble/32/114_2.png) [@MrDibble](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MrDibble)\ **Post date:** [June 17, 2020, 2:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/carnalks-final-warning/855816/30 "2020-06-17T14:27:11Z")
> [@Jasmine](#): > > Really? Yes, really. > [@](#): > > I think the first warning I got was for disparaging the U.S. medical establishment in general. I didn’t even mention any specific doctors. I think it was in GQ, and I think it was from Colibri Once again - GQ is held to a higher standard than most other forums, and absent your actual warning and its context, I can’t say that didn’t factor into it. For instance, even _without_ you mentioning any names, if you were posting in a thread with people who said they were themselves medics, that’d be a legit warning. ---
**Author:** ![BlankSlate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/blankslate/32/80_2.png) [@BlankSlate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BlankSlate)\ **Post date:** [June 17, 2020, 3:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/carnalks-final-warning/855816/31 "2020-06-17T15:09:05Z")
So someone got banned for using an expression others have used without sanction? Yeah, that’s not fucked up at all. ---
**Author:** ![kanicbird](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/5f8ce5/32.png) [@kanicbird](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kanicbird)\ **Post date:** [June 17, 2020, 3:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/carnalks-final-warning/855816/32 "2020-06-17T15:16:18Z")
> [@pool](#): > > Long-time posters seem to be getting banned left and right lately over incredibly soft language, thats my observation anyway. I’ve noticed due to the current political climate (read: Trump), people seem to be more emboldened to speak their mind in various places, I’ve had seen many strong opinions expressed on my facebook page, much more then I can recall. So is it the Moderator has raised the bar, or have the posters in general been a bit more outspoken? ---
**Author:** ![MrDibble](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mrdibble/32/114_2.png) [@MrDibble](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MrDibble)\ **Post date:** [June 17, 2020, 3:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/carnalks-final-warning/855816/33 "2020-06-17T15:26:42Z")
> [@BlankSlate](#): > > So someone got banned for using an expression others have used without sanction? No, someone got banned for continuing to be a jerk despite knowing they were on their last possible chance. ---
**Author:** ![Sunny\_Daze](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sunny_daze/32/438_2.png) [@Sunny\_Daze](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sunny_Daze)\ **Post date:** [June 17, 2020, 4:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/carnalks-final-warning/855816/34 "2020-06-17T16:08:25Z")
> [@MrDibble](#): > > No, someone got banned for continuing to be a jerk despite knowing they were on their last possible chance. Agreed. This seems pretty clear. ---
**Author:** ![MrDibble](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mrdibble/32/114_2.png) [@MrDibble](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MrDibble)\ **Post date:** [June 17, 2020, 4:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/carnalks-final-warning/855816/35 "2020-06-17T16:13:25Z")
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**Author:** ![BlankSlate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/blankslate/32/80_2.png) [@BlankSlate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BlankSlate)\ **Post date:** [June 17, 2020, 4:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/carnalks-final-warning/855816/36 "2020-06-17T16:48:01Z")
> [@MrDibble](#): > > No, someone got banned for continuing to be a jerk despite knowing they were on their last possible chance. How would he know it’s jerkish if he’s seen the expression used on these boards without penalty? It’s pretty much the same as saying _what the hell are you on about?_ or _you’re not making any sense_. That’s hardly being a jerk. Ridiculous. ---
**Author:** ![erysichthon](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/d07c76/32.png) [@erysichthon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/erysichthon)\ **Post date:** [June 17, 2020, 4:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/carnalks-final-warning/855816/37 "2020-06-17T16:54:08Z")
> [@MrDibble](#): > > No, someone got banned for continuing to be a jerk despite knowing they were on their last possible chance. Well said. That’s precisely what happened here. The guiding principle here is “don’t be a jerk,” and someone was banned for being a jerk. Is that so hard to understand? It continues to astound me that a poster like **CarnalK** can be a colossal dick to everyone for years and years, accumulate double-digit warnings, get two lengthy suspensions—and Dopers will _still_ step up to defend the person and act as if the final straw was merely a first offense. The notion that we should reinstate **CarnalK** and wait for him to do something really, really bad is ludicrous. I’ve seen this scenario play out countless times in workplaces, organizations, and online communities: toxic people are accommodated instead of confronted. They get second, third, fourth chances. People build up their tolerance. They say things like “That’s just the way he is.” And **Chronos** is absolutely correct: toxic people _do_ drive other people away. **CarnalK** was capable of reasonable, non-jerkish posts. But he was clearly much more interested in being an asshole. The vast majority of his posts could be summarized as “This is stupid and you’re an idiot.” And people actually want that guy back? Jesus Christ. ---
**Author:** ![DrDeth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b487fb/32.png) [@DrDeth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrDeth)\ **Post date:** [June 17, 2020, 5:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/carnalks-final-warning/855816/38 "2020-06-17T17:01:58Z")
> [@Max\_S](#): > > It’s a good thing I came across this thread, I nearly used the phrase “what are you babbling on about X?” today when **Little Nemo** was literally, well, spouting nonsense to make a point in our debate about semantics. I can’t guarantee that I’ll catch myself in the future, because to me it’s just a normal phrase. …x Yeah, this is just normal, everyday talk. By no means is it an insult. ---
**Author:** ![asahi](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/asahi/32/8693_2.png) [@asahi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/asahi)\ **Post date:** [June 17, 2020, 5:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/carnalks-final-warning/855816/39 "2020-06-17T17:05:13Z")
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**Author:** ![DrDeth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b487fb/32.png) [@DrDeth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrDeth)\ **Post date:** [June 17, 2020, 5:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/carnalks-final-warning/855816/40 "2020-06-17T17:06:28Z")
> [@MrDibble](#): > > No, someone got banned for continuing to be a jerk despite knowing they were on their last possible chance. Nope, because that’d be like banning you for saying in ATMB another poster was a jerk. which is at least, technically, against the rules, but of course in this context it isnt. That phrase is a common one, you cant call it "continuing to be a jerk " because it is not- _in any way shape or form-_ being a jerk. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/carnalks-final-warning/855816.md?page=1) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/carnalks-final-warning/855816.md?page=3)