# Carney Deals with Trump (USA trade war against Canada) **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Tags:** trump\ **Created:** [August 22, 2026, 4:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/carney-deals-with-trump-usa-trade-war-against-canada/1032478 "2026-08-22T04:39:15Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 15
**Author:** ![Frodo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/frodo/32/302_2.png) [@Frodo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Frodo)\ **Post date:** [September 3, 2026, 8:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/carney-deals-with-trump-usa-trade-war-against-canada/1032478/285 "2026-09-03T20:17:37Z")
> [@Stratocaster](#): > > I’ll point out again that this was triggered by a broadside at the decent, troubled American souls who won’t get off their asses to do…something. IOW, people who did NOT vote for Trump and who are aware of the horror our country has become. True, but there also many who didn’t vote for Trump… but also didn’t vote against him because to do so would have needed to get of their asses and go to the polling place. > [@Stratocaster](#): > > What have I done? I’ve manned the phone banks during elections in support of the Dems. I’ve mailed postcards encouraging the vote. I attended rallies (stop family separation, no kings). During Trump’s first term I began teaching ESL for a few years in a desperate attempt to do SOMETHING in support of immigrants and refugees. > > Do I often feel like it’s spitting in the ocean? Yes. I am appalled at what we’ve become. But I gotta say, this exchange feels particularly shitty. We’re allies. Not our government. We the people who weep at where we are. On the other hand I thing this is key, it’s not “the U.S. against Canada/the rest of the world”, is _fascists_ in the U.S. against the rest of the (non-fascist) world. Blaming all Americans for the results of the acts of a plurality of them is not right. ---
**Author:** ![bashere](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/779978/32.png) [@bashere](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bashere)\ **Post date:** [September 3, 2026, 8:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/carney-deals-with-trump-usa-trade-war-against-canada/1032478/286 "2026-09-03T20:32:41Z")
> [@orcenio](#): > > nds by the hero releasing footage of the Alliance (a over controlling, fascistic galactic government) experimenting with drugs and causing a Space Zombie outbreak. This act sets into motion a series of reforms “All the President’s Men” style. I want to say this, as an American living in Montreal: Thank you. That list is excessive by any reasonable standard. Thank you. Canadians are REALLY angry about this. It’s bad. It also isn’t your fault, and we actually do know that. ---
**Author:** ![Stratocaster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/stratocaster/32/16393_2.png) [@Stratocaster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Stratocaster)\ **Post date:** [September 3, 2026, 8:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/carney-deals-with-trump-usa-trade-war-against-canada/1032478/287 "2026-09-03T20:49:13Z")
Thanks for your kind words. ---
**Author:** ![Euphonious\_Polemic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/euphonious_polemic/32/3002_2.png) [@Euphonious\_Polemic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Euphonious_Polemic)\ **Post date:** [September 3, 2026, 9:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/carney-deals-with-trump-usa-trade-war-against-canada/1032478/288 "2026-09-03T21:41:16Z")
This is what ALBANIA is doing to protest ONE SINGLE ACTION of grifting and imperialism by the Trump clan. Massive protests. Not one day of “protests” every couple of months. [Albania’s growing ‘flamingo revolution’ targets Jared Kushner resort – POLITICO](https://www.politico.eu/article/jared-kushner-resort-albania-flamingo-revolution-protest/) ---
**Author:** ![Keith1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/6de8d8/32.png) [@Keith1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Keith1)\ **Post date:** [September 3, 2026, 9:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/carney-deals-with-trump-usa-trade-war-against-canada/1032478/289 "2026-09-03T21:43:54Z")
> [@orcenio](#): > > National Post: Republicans split on Canada as Trump’s trade war escalates For those unaware, The National Post newspaper is to Canada what FOX News is to US. ---
**Author:** ![Horatius](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/horatius/32/3572_2.png) [@Horatius](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Horatius)\ **Post date:** [September 3, 2026, 9:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/carney-deals-with-trump-usa-trade-war-against-canada/1032478/290 "2026-09-03T21:57:50Z")
> [@orcenio](#): > > The Economist found that 38 per cent of Republican voters “now view Canada as unfriendly or an enemy, by far the highest level in the past decade” and up from 22 per cent in February polling. Only 12 per cent of Republicans felt the same way in April 2024, before U.S. President Donald Trump began his second term I think this is what is really making Canadians mad. We expect Trump to be a piece of shit. But what’s up with so many Americans buying into this brainwashing bullshit that’s so completely at odds with the history of Canada and the US over the last century? The movie _Canadian Bacon_ was supposed to be a satire, not a roadmap. ---
**Author:** ![bashere](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/779978/32.png) [@bashere](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bashere)\ **Post date:** [September 3, 2026, 10:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/carney-deals-with-trump-usa-trade-war-against-canada/1032478/291 "2026-09-03T22:00:13Z")
that’s not fair. The National Pest is actually sort of news. ---
**Author:** ![Euphonious\_Polemic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/euphonious_polemic/32/3002_2.png) [@Euphonious\_Polemic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Euphonious_Polemic)\ **Post date:** [September 3, 2026, 10:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/carney-deals-with-trump-usa-trade-war-against-canada/1032478/292 "2026-09-03T22:07:10Z")
> [@Horatius](#): > > I think this is what is really making Canadians mad. Yes, this is very much true. What can you do? How about talking to your fellow Americans and telling them that hating on Canada is a bunch of bullshit designed to stop you talking about Iran, gas prices, grocery prices and the Epstein files. How about shouting this from the rooftops, instead of going “meh whatever , I’m just one person.” ---
**Author:** ![RickJay](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/bb73d2/32.png) [@RickJay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RickJay)\ **Post date:** [September 3, 2026, 10:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/carney-deals-with-trump-usa-trade-war-against-canada/1032478/293 "2026-09-03T22:12:36Z")
> [@Euphonious\_Polemic](#): > > How about talking to your fellow Americans and telling them that hating on Canada is a bunch of bullshit designed to stop you talking about Iran, gas prices, grocery prices and the Epstein files From my interaction with people on this topic so far, a key problem you’re going to wander into is that people don’t even understand the basic definitions. People not knowing that a tariff is a tax a government charges its own citizens is the obvious example, but people also literally don’t seem to know what “Trade” is in the sense of international trade. They certaily aren’t going to therefore know what a trade surplus or deficit is. They usually also do not know that trade deficits and government budgets deficits aren’t the same thing, and anything more com;licated than that is sure out. You cannot explain why the US current account guarantees an overall trade deficit to someone who can’t grasp what trade is. **The Venn diagram of people who support Trump and who do not understand these basic definitions is a circle.** It is literally 100 percent likely that an American who loves Trump’s trade war, or even the rare Canadians that do, doesn’t know what some or all of those words mean. 100 percent. If you are dealing with someone who literally does not understand that “trade” between the USA and Canada is the cumulative total of all buying and selling done across the border by businesses and individuals, how can you convince them tariffs are a bad idea? They don’t even know what’s being tariffed. You are not going to start from there and get them to why free trade is a good idea in any less than months of instruction. ---
**Author:** ![ParallelLines](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/parallellines/32/3575_2.png) [@ParallelLines](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ParallelLines)\ **Post date:** [September 3, 2026, 10:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/carney-deals-with-trump-usa-trade-war-against-canada/1032478/294 "2026-09-03T22:51:59Z")
**Moderating:** > [@Euphonious\_Polemic](#): > > > [@Horatius](#): > > > > I think this is what is really making Canadians mad. > > Yes, this is very much true. > > What can you do? How about talking to your fellow Americans and telling them that hating on Canada is a bunch of bullshit designed to stop you talking about Iran, gas prices, grocery prices and the Epstein files. How about shouting this from the rooftops, instead of going “meh whatever , I’m just one person.” In the three prior mod notes, and again in my thread ban to **Uzi** I have repeatedly asked posters to stay on topic. The OP is pretty narrow and focused, and we ALL need to respect that. The above is a basically a brand new topic on how the USA population should fix their government and fellow voters. It’s a fine discussion, but _off topic_ for this thread. It’s also heading towards attacking you fellow (American) posters, which I was glad to see resolved upthread before it went out of control. So **drop** the hijack. _Spin off a new thread_ whether in P&E or in the Pit depending on how much you want to rant. Seriously, our patience is getting thin - we _get_ that it’s a sensitive subject, and that the whipsaw of changes has a lot of people rightfully angry. But that’s an excuse, not a valid reason to hijack the thread. ---
**Author:** ![Dr\_Paprika](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dr_paprika/32/3042_2.png) [@Dr\_Paprika](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dr_Paprika)\ **Post date:** [September 3, 2026, 11:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/carney-deals-with-trump-usa-trade-war-against-canada/1032478/295 "2026-09-03T23:15:46Z")
That wasn’t the point I was making though. I was making the point that Trump wanted tariffs to offset tax cuts he wanted to make in America. I agree both countries have been financially imprudent. ---
**Author:** ![RickJay](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/bb73d2/32.png) [@RickJay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RickJay)\ **Post date:** [September 5, 2026, 6:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/carney-deals-with-trump-usa-trade-war-against-canada/1032478/296 "2026-09-05T06:08:56Z")
> [@Dr\_Paprika](#): > > offset tax cuts he wanted to make in America. > > I agree both countries have been financially imprudent. Well today Trump went off the absolute deep end, raving about how the Federal Reserve should lower interest rates or he’ll just begin cutting countries off entirely. Anyone who thinks a deal can be made with the Trump Administration is a fool. Beyond a fool. This has been obvious all along. ---
**Author:** ![wolfpup](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wolfpup/32/10618_2.png) [@wolfpup](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wolfpup)\ **Post date:** [September 5, 2026, 6:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/carney-deals-with-trump-usa-trade-war-against-canada/1032478/297 "2026-09-05T06:57:36Z")
> [@RickJay](#): > > Well today Trump went off the absolute deep end, raving about how the Federal Reserve should lower interest rates or he’ll just begin cutting countries off entirely. > > Anyone who thinks a deal can be made with the Trump Administration is a fool. Beyond a fool. This has been obvious all along. That would include Canada, against which the Orange One has a particular hostility. I think the hostility against Canada closely aligns with the hostility against the media – facts and logic are the enemy. Apparently the dementia is getting deeper. One can only hope that something changes before the whole world is flung into an economic depression. ---
**Author:** ![RickJay](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/bb73d2/32.png) [@RickJay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RickJay)\ **Post date:** [September 5, 2026, 2:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/carney-deals-with-trump-usa-trade-war-against-canada/1032478/298 "2026-09-05T14:09:59Z")
> [@wolfpup](#): > > That would include Canada, against which the Orange One has a particular hostility. I think the hostility against Canada closely aligns with the hostility against the media – facts and logic are the enemy. Apparently the dementia is getting deeper. One can only hope that something changes before the whole world is flung into an economic depression. Well… yes, the entire thread is primarily about Canada, of course. Trump’s claims are literally the most insane and irrational things a President of the United States has ever said. ---
**Author:** ![Euphonious\_Polemic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/euphonious_polemic/32/3002_2.png) [@Euphonious\_Polemic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Euphonious_Polemic)\ **Post date:** [September 5, 2026, 3:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/carney-deals-with-trump-usa-trade-war-against-canada/1032478/299 "2026-09-05T15:34:59Z")
> [@RickJay](#): > > Trump’s claims are literally the most insane and irrational things a President of the United States has ever said. It basically comes down to “Lower interest rates for my benefit, or I will destroy our entire economy.” He’s now threatening the United States. ---
**Author:** ![bashere](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/779978/32.png) [@bashere](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bashere)\ **Post date:** [September 5, 2026, 3:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/carney-deals-with-trump-usa-trade-war-against-canada/1032478/300 "2026-09-05T15:47:44Z")
And there’s a story on the CBC todat about interviewing people in Michigan who believe he was sent by God to help Americans, and how he’s the best president ever, and the first to care about Americans. ---
**Author:** ![Kropotkin](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kropotkin/32/18045_2.png) [@Kropotkin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kropotkin)\ **Post date:** [September 5, 2026, 4:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/carney-deals-with-trump-usa-trade-war-against-canada/1032478/301 "2026-09-05T16:09:35Z")
If it’s the history of banking that holds some important answers, Canadian banks also benefited from mergers and take-overs, often due to failures, in the 1920s. That meant they were more concentrated and centralized (one might even think of “oligopoly” here) than US banks and better weathered the Great Depression. A very different experience and culture guides some of the banking policies and possibilities even today. ---
**Author:** ![Kropotkin](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kropotkin/32/18045_2.png) [@Kropotkin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kropotkin)\ **Post date:** [September 5, 2026, 4:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/carney-deals-with-trump-usa-trade-war-against-canada/1032478/302 "2026-09-05T16:11:38Z")
Good call. Thanks for the link. ---
**Author:** ![Locrian](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/locrian/32/14146_2.png) [@Locrian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Locrian)\ **Post date:** [September 8, 2026, 8:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/carney-deals-with-trump-usa-trade-war-against-canada/1032478/303 "2026-09-08T08:21:21Z")
Here we go! Carney’s tariffs are in effect. They aren’t nice, that’s for sure. On a smaller scale, but other countries must be watching with interest. > **[What to know about Canada’s escalating trade war with the US as Carney...](https://apnews.com/article/canada-trump-carney-trade-war-tariffs-4620ffb5ecc029322217207fa6758431)** > > Canada’s retaliatory tariffs on about $20 billion worth of U.S. goods take effect Tuesday, turning its escalating trade war with President Donald Trump into a test watched far beyond the border: Can a country much smaller than the United States stand... ---
**Author:** ![Spoons](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/spoons/32/3141_2.png) [@Spoons](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Spoons)\ **Post date:** [September 8, 2026, 8:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/carney-deals-with-trump-usa-trade-war-against-canada/1032478/304 "2026-09-08T08:42:25Z")
> [@Kropotkin](#): > > If it’s the history of banking that holds some important answers, Canadian banks also benefited from mergers and take-overs, often due to failures, in the 1920s. That meant they were more concentrated and centralized (one might even think of “oligopoly” here) than US banks and better weathered the Great Depression. A very different experience and culture guides some of the banking policies and possibilities even today. Right. It’s because of Canada’s nationwide banking that allowed Canadian banks to get through the Depression in good shape, as well as the 2008 financial meltdown. That, and the strict consumer banking regulations in place of course. Trump has contended that Canada will not allow US banks to do business in Canada. That is not true: > **[FACT FOCUS: Trump claims US banks cannot operate in Canada. That's not true](https://apnews.com/article/fact-check-trump-canada-american-banks-96819ae447d3f5f6dcb5337b2bcfb8b0)** > > President Donald Trump falsely claimed on Wednesday that U.S. banks are not allowed to do business in Canada. There are currently 15 U.S. And from personal experience, I took out a second mortgage on my house from Citibank, about twenty years ago. I distinctly remember signing the document that said that I promise to use none of the funds to support Cuba in any way. (I had no plans to anyway.) If “Cuban embargo documents” must be signed, then that’s a US bank operating in Canada. Canadian banks wouldn’t care. Aside: Why Citibank? We had a mortgage broker shop it around, and Citi offered the lowest rates. Worked for us! [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/carney-deals-with-trump-usa-trade-war-against-canada/1032478.md?page=14) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/carney-deals-with-trump-usa-trade-war-against-canada/1032478.md?page=16)