# Carney Deals with Trump (USA trade war against Canada) **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Tags:** trump\ **Created:** [August 22, 2026, 4:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/carney-deals-with-trump-usa-trade-war-against-canada/1032478 "2026-08-22T04:39:15Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 9
**Author:** ![Der\_Trihs](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/der_trihs/32/233_2.png) [@Der\_Trihs](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Der_Trihs)\ **Post date:** [August 25, 2026, 4:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/carney-deals-with-trump-usa-trade-war-against-canada/1032478/163 "2026-08-25T16:27:30Z")
> [@Uzi](#): > > A lot of assumptions here. We haven’t seen the deal, only what Carney has told us. We know it’s a bad deal because Trump offered it; he would never , ever offer anything but a one sided deal that profited him and hurt the other side. And then go back on it at the first opportunity. Carney is pretty much by definition more trustworthy (and more morally righteous in general) than Trump, just because _he isn’t Trump._ Maximum security prisons are full of people more trustworthy than Trump. ---
**Author:** ![Kropotkin](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kropotkin/32/18045_2.png) [@Kropotkin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kropotkin)\ **Post date:** [August 25, 2026, 4:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/carney-deals-with-trump-usa-trade-war-against-canada/1032478/164 "2026-08-25T16:33:59Z")
Luckily, with Trump in charge, Canadians don’t have to choose: we can oppose Trump’s expansionism and work for environmental policies at the same time! ---
**Author:** ![Der\_Trihs](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/der_trihs/32/233_2.png) [@Der\_Trihs](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Der_Trihs)\ **Post date:** [August 25, 2026, 4:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/carney-deals-with-trump-usa-trade-war-against-canada/1032478/165 "2026-08-25T16:36:36Z")
Trump is one of the few real life examples where the old joke “watch him very carefully, then do the opposite of whatever he does” is actually reasonable advice. ---
**Author:** ![orcenio](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/orcenio/32/1036_2.png) [@orcenio](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/orcenio)\ **Post date:** [August 25, 2026, 5:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/carney-deals-with-trump-usa-trade-war-against-canada/1032478/166 "2026-08-25T17:19:15Z")
[![](https://img.youtube.com/vi/4YzgYuyHpqc/maxresdefault.jpg "‘Things got a little heated’: Ford says it’s time to get back to negotiations with U.S.") ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4YzgYuyHpqc) Ford on CNN today sounding like a calm, rational, responsible person. Nothing like the fire & brimstone warrior of darkness that is going to cut the electricity to hundreds of THOUSANDS of Americans. The bluster is all a ruse. Its a tactic to grab headlines, dip markets, get American investors scared at Trump, get on American news, make the case for stability, and occupy the mental space of the American voters. Ford is a particularly well suited person to play the hothead, nutbar, bad cop too. Its the ONE thing I’ll give him credit for. ---
**Author:** ![wolfpup](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wolfpup/32/10618_2.png) [@wolfpup](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wolfpup)\ **Post date:** [August 25, 2026, 5:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/carney-deals-with-trump-usa-trade-war-against-canada/1032478/167 "2026-08-25T17:22:45Z")
The Liar-in-Chief just keeps right on. Facts have never been an obstacle! > **[Fact check: Trump keeps making stuff up about Canada | CNN Politics](https://www.cnn.com/2026/08/25/politics/fact-check-trump-canada)** > > President Donald Trump’s criticism of the US neighbor has been filled with lies – a remarkable variety of assertions that either wildly distort a kernel of truth or are just made up. ---
**Author:** ![Grey](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/b782af/32.png) [@Grey](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Grey)\ **Post date:** [August 25, 2026, 5:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/carney-deals-with-trump-usa-trade-war-against-canada/1032478/168 "2026-08-25T17:44:32Z")
> [@RitterSport](#): > > More seriously, USA, Canada, and Mexico really should agree to the equivalent of the Common Market, with goods and services flowing unhindered from one country to the next. That would be good for all three countries and make us all much stronger on the world market. We _have/had_ effectively tariff free trade in North America. The relative tariffs back in 2020 was less than 1%. Tariffs were sufficiently low between the countries that only _after_ Liberation Day did a number of companies opt to file the paperwork to ensure they fell under CUSMA/USMCA country of origin regulations. ---
**Author:** ![RitterSport](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rittersport/32/6326_2.png) [@RitterSport](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RitterSport)\ **Post date:** [August 25, 2026, 5:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/carney-deals-with-trump-usa-trade-war-against-canada/1032478/169 "2026-08-25T17:54:45Z")
But, I don’t think was an actual customs union, where things can cross the border without any impediment. I think parts of Europe are a genuine customs union – once a product is inside one of those countries, they flow freely to the other, just like from state to state here. ---
**Author:** ![keeganst94](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/a6a055/32.png) [@keeganst94](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/keeganst94)\ **Post date:** [August 25, 2026, 6:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/carney-deals-with-trump-usa-trade-war-against-canada/1032478/170 "2026-08-25T18:33:06Z")
So in response to America attempting to use its economic power over Canada to threaten Canadian sovereignty, Canada should double down on an abusive partnership and tie itself to the US even more closely? Twenty years ago maybe this would have made sense, although even then i think it would be a hard sell. As of right now it doesn’t make any sense at all, and would be political suicide anyway. ---
**Author:** ![RitterSport](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rittersport/32/6326_2.png) [@RitterSport](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RitterSport)\ **Post date:** [August 25, 2026, 6:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/carney-deals-with-trump-usa-trade-war-against-canada/1032478/171 "2026-08-25T18:55:36Z")
I think Canada would welcome a customs union with the US, even now. They were willing to negotiate something far worse than a customs union, and only walked away when it got worse still. ---
**Author:** ![wolfpup](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wolfpup/32/10618_2.png) [@wolfpup](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wolfpup)\ **Post date:** [August 25, 2026, 6:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/carney-deals-with-trump-usa-trade-war-against-canada/1032478/172 "2026-08-25T18:58:31Z")
> [@keeganst94](#): > > So in response to America attempting to use its economic power over Canada to threaten Canadian sovereignty, Canada should double down on an abusive partnership and tie itself to the US even more closely? Do you follow the news at all? Carney has been pushing hard to diversify Canada’s trade and wean it away from dependence on the US. If and when a more rational US administration is willing to negotiate a new trade deal with Canada, that would be fine. But the diversification will remain. Trump has shown that the US cannot be trusted, and that stain is pretty much indelible. ---
**Author:** ![Le\_Ministre\_de\_l\_au-dela](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/le_ministre_de_l_au-dela/32/12181_2.png) [@Le\_Ministre\_de\_l\_au-dela](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Le_Ministre_de_l_au-dela)\ **Post date:** [August 25, 2026, 9:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/carney-deals-with-trump-usa-trade-war-against-canada/1032478/173 "2026-08-25T21:36:44Z")
Fundamentally, this all comes down to - whose side of the story do you believe, the Canadian side or the US side? And what news sources do you trust to vet what both sides are saying and look for the truest version of these events? For me, I believe what Mr. Carney and the Canadian negotiators are saying. And I’m so used to Trump and his associates spreading lies, misinformation, half-truths, and debunked stories that I don’t believe a word any of them says. I would recommend to my US based friends on the SDMB to look for Canadian news sources on this question, rather that trusting solely to US based sources. I highly recommend the CBC news site - www.cbc.ca/news . (Cue the outraged right-wing Canadopers who want to scream that the CBC has a left-wing bias… Tough. It’s one of my preferred news sources.) Or, if you prefer print based news online, there’s the Toronto Star (Cue the further cries of outrage!). ---
**Author:** ![Dr\_Paprika](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dr_paprika/32/3042_2.png) [@Dr\_Paprika](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dr_Paprika)\ **Post date:** [August 25, 2026, 10:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/carney-deals-with-trump-usa-trade-war-against-canada/1032478/174 "2026-08-25T22:07:42Z")
If it is true that the Americans claimed they could change the terms at any time for any reason despite a signed deal, this is not something you would want to codify or even call an agreement. As it is, I believe the new tariffs will eventually be found illegal by the US Supreme Court. I think Carney might omit facts from time to time, but is very likely telling the truth compared to his neighbours. I don’t favour changing lake names, though this would not affect anyone in Canada. I saw Lake Donnypoopypants suggested online, which seems verbose, even childish. ---
**Author:** ![Spoons](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/spoons/32/3141_2.png) [@Spoons](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Spoons)\ **Post date:** [August 25, 2026, 10:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/carney-deals-with-trump-usa-trade-war-against-canada/1032478/175 "2026-08-25T22:12:30Z")
> [@Dr\_Paprika](#): > > I don’t favour changing lake names, though this would not affect anyone in Canada. I saw Lake Donnypoopypants suggested online, which seems verbose. Lake Cheeto? Lake Dipshit? Lake Putin? ---
**Author:** ![Fear\_Itself](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fear_itself/32/19637_2.png) [@Fear\_Itself](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fear_Itself)\ **Post date:** [August 25, 2026, 10:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/carney-deals-with-trump-usa-trade-war-against-canada/1032478/176 "2026-08-25T22:19:46Z")
Lake Epstein ---
**Author:** ![Dr.Drake](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ad7895/32.png) [@Dr.Drake](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dr.Drake)\ **Post date:** [August 25, 2026, 10:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/carney-deals-with-trump-usa-trade-war-against-canada/1032478/177 "2026-08-25T22:32:53Z")
Or, even better, news sources in neither country. I like the CBC reporting, but why not read a broad range of sources? ---
**Author:** ![orcenio](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/orcenio/32/1036_2.png) [@orcenio](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/orcenio)\ **Post date:** [August 25, 2026, 10:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/carney-deals-with-trump-usa-trade-war-against-canada/1032478/178 "2026-08-25T22:45:15Z")
> [@Le\_Ministre\_de\_l\_au-dela](#): > > Fundamentally, this all comes down to - whose side of the story do you believe, the Canadian side or the US side? And what news sources do you trust to vet what both sides are saying and look for the truest version of these events? > > For me, I believe what Mr. Carney and the Canadian negotiators are saying. And I’m so used to Trump and his associates spreading lies, misinformation, half-truths, and debunked stories that I don’t believe a word any of them says. Well, its not just a history of lying, but an honest evaluation of what both sides say. The Canadian side is saying 1. They’d love to continue trade, but they were tariffed. The American side says that they do not want nor care about Canadian trade. 2. the agreement broke down due to a White House 11th hour injection of poison pills. The American side says the same, but refuses to name what the demands and off limit Canadian terms were. 3. The [Canadian trade team](https://international.canada.ca/en/global-affairs/campaigns/advisory-committee) have been giving open interviews on Canadian news, American news, international news. I’ve seen: - Jean Charest on CBC, CNN ([yesterday](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e77hl9IHRR0) and [today](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tkDl0XPwN64)) - Ralph Goodale on [CBC](https://youtu.be/ByjpS9ASYfA?t=343) and [CBC Saks radio](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bj8WyKlSSao) - Erin O’Toole on [CTV](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u7S_bbY79pY) and UK’s [The Times](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8v4ohlo-Vj4), [CBC](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6urgjleqHXA) - Lana Payne’s [interview I linked to two days ago](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/carney-deals-with-trump-usa-trade-war-against-canada/1032478/57) - Lisa Raitt has been on [CTV](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VXj3EwjrLPI) - Flavio Volpe on [CTV](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R2gHKNZIQCQ) - Dominic LeBlanc has been also doing the rounds on US News, [NBC](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MEwSMYUzFmU), [CBS](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mma_sRjKkq4), [CNBC](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o9WP1K5v-tQ), [Bloomberg](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-CqQjhcUpPw). This is also not including other interested parties like Chrystia Freeland [on Bloomberg](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ns2xiFIv91Q), Bob Rae [on CBC](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ALTnyPnHcq4), Avi Lewis on [Democracy Now](https://youtu.be/5gEJOTQg0pY?t=182), Minister Joly [on CBC](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6tgVsgNW1-w), The Premiers [Holt](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6tgVsgNW1-w), [Fréchette](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c0qmqZJcwWA), [Ford](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q_sQgM3ioBU) (good God [Ford](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xqbhR7nacz0)), [Kinew](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6uhm0rIH84A), [Eby](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YTAtDBCW5SI) ([Bloomberg](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hoxoKiF6hOE) too). And of course Carney and his cabinet have been making announcements every day. You do not see such a full court press on the US side. All bluster and vague claims. The Canadian side was ready. The Canadian people are VERY informed what they are in, and why they are “in it”. ---
**Author:** ![Euphonious\_Polemic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/euphonious_polemic/32/3002_2.png) [@Euphonious\_Polemic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Euphonious_Polemic)\ **Post date:** [August 25, 2026, 11:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/carney-deals-with-trump-usa-trade-war-against-canada/1032478/179 "2026-08-25T23:50:57Z")
> [@orcenio](#): > > The Canadian people are VERY informed what they are in, and why they are “in it”. I would be very surprised if more than 5% of Americans are even _aware_ that anything is going on here. ---
**Author:** ![PhillyGuy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/ed655f/32.png) [@PhillyGuy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/PhillyGuy)\ **Post date:** [August 26, 2026, 1:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/carney-deals-with-trump-usa-trade-war-against-canada/1032478/180 "2026-08-26T01:07:18Z")
> [@RitterSport](#): > > Trump couldn’t care less if New York and Minnesota, both blue states, get electricity. Trump doesn’t care about the electricity per se, but he would care about news reports saying that a factory laid off workers because of lack of electricity. And the news reports will sound pretty similar regardless of the states where the electricity problem resides. Trump’s weakness as a dictator is that after almost six years in (intermittant) power, there’s only one TV network that he’s even partly tamed (CBS). Even if only a small portion of American workers lose their jobs, that portion will rightly be big news. In reality, the trade war hurts Canada a lot more than the U.S. But a lot of Americans won’t realize that once there are lots of interviews with laid off workers and pictures of shuttered plants. And then Trump chickens out (if not before). ---
**Author:** ![orcenio](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/orcenio/32/1036_2.png) [@orcenio](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/orcenio)\ **Post date:** [August 26, 2026, 1:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/carney-deals-with-trump-usa-trade-war-against-canada/1032478/181 "2026-08-26T01:53:20Z")
100% agree. Only the most politically engaged Americans are even aware that anything is happening, less so are even aware how serious this is to Canada. This is why Ford is playing bad cop and forcing himself into 5mins of US airtime. Side Note: I see a few more relevant interviews in the past hour or so: - Dominic LeBlanc on [PBS](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=29Z7M5b0WRw) describing how the deal broke down (PBS interviewer says at the end that they’re trying to get a US trade representative too) - Lisa Raitt again on [a CBC panel](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0UK1Bjwy47Q) (also calling on Carney to fully debrief opposition/Canadians) - Avi Lewis on [CBC](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iMBQRJ44r6M) (freshly after being briefed by Carney on what happened) And much less importantly: - Michael Ignatieff was dug out from his overseas home for an interview by UK’s [Channel 4](https://youtu.be/CQYimF9UkVg?t=160) (why even bother?) - California Governor Gavin Newsom on [CTV](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nt6vSBFMdio) and [CBC](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PU5l1irpOIA) talking about Cali wine and stupid Trump - Alberta NDP opposition Naheed Nenshi [taking Smith to task](https://youtu.be/8jQFlsRzf24?t=145) for not standing with Canada and putting provincial energy in play (ala Doug Ford). - US Senator Ted Cruz on [Bloomberg](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KUyesaWYPgQ) trying to downplay the seriousness of everything as just normal ---
**Author:** ![PhillyGuy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/ed655f/32.png) [@PhillyGuy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/PhillyGuy)\ **Post date:** [August 26, 2026, 2:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/carney-deals-with-trump-usa-trade-war-against-canada/1032478/182 "2026-08-26T02:16:21Z")
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