# Carson vs. Trump: This Could Get Interesting **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Created:** [October 25, 2015, 7:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/carson-vs-trump-this-could-get-interesting/735749 "2015-10-25T19:51:53Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 15\ **Page:** 10
**Author:** ![TonySinclair](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/49beb7/32.png) [@TonySinclair](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TonySinclair)\ **Post date:** [November 5, 2015, 3:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/carson-vs-trump-this-could-get-interesting/735749/181 "2015-11-05T15:17:15Z")
> [@doorhinge](#): > > I’ll continue to use the term LSM to describe the media outlets who repeatedly publish false, misleading, and especially un-vetted, news stories. Well, the poster boy for that is Fox News, and everybody else who says “LSM” without sarcasm thinks Fox News is da bomb. > [@](#): > > So how’s that _Carson vs. Trump: This Could Get Interesting_ issue working out for ya? Anything interesting? Yes, a couple other threads are discussing the interesting and disturbing Ben Carson claim that the pyramids were built by Joseph to store grain. It is not a case of him misspeaking; he said it at a commencement address in 1998, and yesterday he said he still believes it. The video of his 1998 address is here: [![](https://img.youtube.com/vi/FrqShRhxJBM/hqdefault.jpg "The Andrews Experience- Dr. Ben Carson 1998 Graduation key note speaker") ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FrqShRhxJBM) He starts talking about the pyramids at about 3:45. ---
**Author:** ![CarnalK](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnalk/32/486_2.png) [@CarnalK](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CarnalK)\ **Post date:** [November 5, 2015, 3:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/carson-vs-trump-this-could-get-interesting/735749/182 "2015-11-05T15:20:07Z")
> [@running\_coach](#): > > [Like Fox News](http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2015/11/05/fox-newsers-suddenly-quiet-when-their-hero-cop-revealed-to-be-fraudster.html?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+thedailybeast%2Farticles+%28The+Daily+Beast+-+Latest+Articles%29&ref=yfp)? You realize that article only chastised the commentary shows and acknowledged that Fox news reporters did a fine job on the story? ---
**Author:** ![Procrustus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/procrustus/32/2994_2.png) [@Procrustus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Procrustus)\ **Post date:** [November 5, 2015, 5:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/carson-vs-trump-this-could-get-interesting/735749/183 "2015-11-05T17:10:38Z")
> [@doorhinge](#): > > I understand the point they are making. They don’t like me now, and if I continue to use the term LSM, they won’t like me in the future. Regardless of which path I chose, nothing changes. Therefore, I chose to continue to use the term LSM to describe media outlets who can’t/won’t properly verify their facts before publically reporting some of their news stories. > > Can you think of anything interesting concerning Carson vs Trump? Not really. The ReTHUGlicans (Reptilicans?) are fucked this year. Faux News notwithstanding. [I’m beginning to understand the appeal of your method of raising the level of political discourse. Thank you.] ---
**Author:** ![eschereal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eschereal/32/18939_2.png) [@eschereal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/eschereal)\ **Post date:** [November 5, 2015, 11:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/carson-vs-trump-this-could-get-interesting/735749/184 "2015-11-05T23:33:07Z")
> [@doorhinge](#): > > Can you think of anything interesting concerning Carson vs Trump? Congratulations on the efficacy of your derailment strategery. ---
**Author:** ![septimus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/septimus/32/410_2.png) [@septimus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/septimus)\ **Post date:** [November 8, 2015, 6:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/carson-vs-trump-this-could-get-interesting/735749/185 "2015-11-08T18:57:27Z")
I don’t watch SNL since Gilda Radner left, but I did watch the most recent episode. Apologies if the recent Saturday Night Live episode is being discussed in another thread. My question is: Did the broadcast help or hurt Mr. Trump among those who watched it? Will SNL invite the other candidates to appear? Which would accept? ---
**Author:** ![Peremensoe](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/ce7236/32.png) [@Peremensoe](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Peremensoe)\ **Post date:** [November 8, 2015, 8:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/carson-vs-trump-this-could-get-interesting/735749/186 "2015-11-08T20:09:16Z")
[This _is_ getting pretty funny.](http://www.nytimes.com/politics/first-draft/2015/11/08/ben-carson-pushes-back-against-questions-of-honesty/) > [@](#): > > Appearing, by phone, on “Face The Nation,” NBC’s “Meet the Press” and CNN’s “State of the Union,” Mr. Trump mischievously said he wished Mr. Carson well, and then picked apart his stories. > … > Mr. Trump ended with a note of sympathy for Mr. Carson that seemed to fall just short of sincere. > > “I just don’t know what to think,” he said. “I hope it works out for him.” ---
**Author:** ![SaharaTea](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/e9a140/32.png) [@SaharaTea](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SaharaTea)\ **Post date:** [November 8, 2015, 10:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/carson-vs-trump-this-could-get-interesting/735749/187 "2015-11-08T22:57:12Z")
> [@septimus](#): > > I don’t watch SNL since Gilda Radner left, but I did watch the most recent episode. Apologies if the recent Saturday Night Live episode is being discussed in another thread. > > My question is: Did the broadcast help or hurt Mr. Trump among those who watched it? > > Will SNL invite the other candidates to appear? Which would accept? I didn’t have the stomach to watch it. But based on [this review](http://www.avclub.com/tvclub/donald-trumps-appearance-shows-snl-its-nadir-228101), it sounds like it was a total waste of time and won’t make a difference to his campaign one way or another. Hillary’s recent appearance worked because it was limited to one sketch and it was somewhat funny. ---
**Author:** ![doorhinge](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/a5b964/32.png) [@doorhinge](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/doorhinge)\ **Post date:** [November 9, 2015, 4:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/carson-vs-trump-this-could-get-interesting/735749/188 "2015-11-09T16:35:47Z")
> [@septimus](#): > > I don’t watch SNL since Gilda Radner left, but I did watch the most recent episode. Apologies if the recent Saturday Night Live episode is being discussed in another thread. > > My question is: Did the broadcast help or hurt Mr. Trump among those who watched it? > > Will SNL invite the other candidates to appear? Which would accept? I occasionally watch SNL if there’s absolutely nothing else on. The jokes and cast members just aren’t that funny anymore. Waiting an hour to hear one, or maybe two, funny jokes seems like a big waste of time. I wonder why the show is still on the air? I did watch the most recent show. The jokes sucked. The skits sucked. The musical guest sucked. If I had paid to watch a similar show at a local comedy club, I would have walked out and demanded my money back. What a stinker! I don’t believe the show helped or hurt Trump. The people who didn’t like Trump before the show, still do not like Trump. The people who liked Trump before the show still like Trump. The SNL show did demonstrated that Trump has a sense of humor. I’m sure the other candidates would jump at the chance to appear/host a SNL show. Why not? It’s free publicity. ---
**Author:** ![Derleth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b9e5f3/32.png) [@Derleth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Derleth)\ **Post date:** [November 13, 2015, 12:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/carson-vs-trump-this-could-get-interesting/735749/189 "2015-11-13T12:11:06Z")
[Trump: Carson Pathological Like A Child Molester](http://thehill.com/blogs/ballot-box/gop-primaries/260018-trump-carsons-pathological-issues-similar-to-those-of-a-child): > [@](#): > > Republican presidential front-runner Donald Trump on Thursday compared rival Ben Carson’s “pathological” temper to the mental issues of a child molester. > > “It’s in the book that he’s got a pathological temper,” Trump said on CNN’s “Erin Burnett OutFront,” referring to Carson’s memoirs. > > “That’s a big problem because you don’t cure that,” he continued, adding: “As an example: child molesting. You don’t cure these people. You don’t cure a child molester. There’s no cure for it. Pathological, there’s no cure for that.” > > [snip] > > Trump has repeatedly questioned Carson’s violent past, warning that his history makes him mentally unfit to be president. > > Asked on CNN whether he feels Carson has left his anger behind, Trump replied, “I just don’t know.” > > “He’s saying, ‘These things happen and therefore I have credibility.’ And what I’m saying is, I’d rather have them if they didn’t happen. I don’t want somebody who hit somebody in the face with a padlock.” > > Trump attacked Carson last week, writing: “The Carson story is either a total fabrication or, if true, even worse-trying to hit mother over the head with a hammer or stabbing friend!” Well, Trump’s not entirely wrong. We really shouldn’t have someone prone to fits of violent rage as our President. However, this seems to be hurting Trump worse than Carson, given that Carson can turn it into a redemption story whereas Trump just comes off as mean. It closes on this zinger: > [@](#): > > Carly Fiorina, also a Republican presidential candidate, took to Facebook on Thursday evening to rip Trump’s comments. > > “Donald, sorry, I’ve got to interrupt again,” she wrote, in reference to Trump’s criticism of her at a presidential debate earlier this week. > > “You would know something about pathological,” she continued. “How was that meeting with Putin? Or Wharton? Or your self funded campaign? Anyone can turn a multi-million dollar inheritance into more money, but all the money in the world won’t make you as smart as Ben Carson.” Laugh-a-minute in the GOP clown car. ---
**Author:** ![Barkis\_is\_Willin](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/a183cd/32.png) [@Barkis\_is\_Willin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Barkis_is_Willin)\ **Post date:** [November 13, 2015, 2:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/carson-vs-trump-this-could-get-interesting/735749/190 "2015-11-13T14:15:52Z")
You have to see the video to really appreciate how riled up Trump is. Carson’s polling has got him unhinged. [http://news.yahoo.com/trump-questions-carsons-pathological-temper-faith-081653699--election.html#](http://news.yahoo.com/trump-questions-carsons-pathological-temper-faith-081653699--election.html#) ---
**Author:** ![Truman\_Burbank](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/ecc23a/32.png) [@Truman\_Burbank](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Truman_Burbank)\ **Post date:** [November 13, 2015, 3:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/carson-vs-trump-this-could-get-interesting/735749/191 "2015-11-13T15:47:02Z")
> [@doorhinge](#): > > As far as I’m concerned, “higher standard” means publishing stories that are not later proven to be false or misleading. I expect them to _get it right the first time_. While the media outlets are concerned with being the first to report a story, regardless of it’s authenticity, I prefer that media outlets spend the time, money, and manpower to report the story _correctly the first time_. YMMV. Can you provide a single example of a media source you think meets your standard consistently? ---
**Author:** ![doorhinge](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/a5b964/32.png) [@doorhinge](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/doorhinge)\ **Post date:** [November 13, 2015, 4:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/carson-vs-trump-this-could-get-interesting/735749/192 "2015-11-13T16:59:41Z")
> [@Truman\_Burbank](#): > > Can you provide a single example of a media source you think meets your standard consistently? No. But I keep hoping that accuracy will replace being first as the primary driving force of the MSM. Those media outlets who consistently, and repeatedly, issue innuendo, rumors, political propaganda, and horseshit as news are the ones who are dragging the standard down, if a high standard can still exists. ---
**Author:** ![kaylasdad99](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kaylasdad99/32/3398_2.png) [@kaylasdad99](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kaylasdad99)\ **Post date:** [November 13, 2015, 5:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/carson-vs-trump-this-could-get-interesting/735749/193 "2015-11-13T17:11:08Z")
_The Springfield Shopper_? ---
**Author:** ![GrandWino](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/grandwino/32/67_2.png) [@GrandWino](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GrandWino)\ **Post date:** [November 13, 2015, 5:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/carson-vs-trump-this-could-get-interesting/735749/194 "2015-11-13T17:23:42Z")
Maybe Trump decided a campaign murder/suicide is the only way forward. ---
**Author:** ![Derleth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b9e5f3/32.png) [@Derleth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Derleth)\ **Post date:** [November 13, 2015, 5:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/carson-vs-trump-this-could-get-interesting/735749/195 "2015-11-13T17:31:59Z")
> [@GrandWino](#): > > Maybe Trump decided a campaign murder/suicide is the only way forward. I’m pretty sure his handlers would stop that before he actually made good on it. Frankly, though, narcissistic rage can be pretty florid and self-destructive. If Trump really is losing it like it seems he is, he could become amazingly irrational and end up damaging his brand to an even larger degree than he already has. (And, yes, at this point, he has: He’s lost business. I haven’t heard of him gaining any.) [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/carson-vs-trump-this-could-get-interesting/735749.md?page=9)