# Carson vs. Trump: This Could Get Interesting **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Created:** [October 25, 2015, 7:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/carson-vs-trump-this-could-get-interesting/735749 "2015-10-25T19:51:53Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 4
**Author:** ![Kolak\_of\_Twilo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kolak_of_twilo/32/73_2.png) [@Kolak\_of\_Twilo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kolak_of_Twilo)\ **Post date:** [October 28, 2015, 5:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/carson-vs-trump-this-could-get-interesting/735749/61 "2015-10-28T05:08:39Z")
> [@DrDeth](#): > > In the last ten elections, The GOP Iowa caucuses have only been really wrong twice, and correct seven times. You have a different method of counting than I do. From what I can see the winner of the caucuses failed to get the GOP nomination in 4 of the last 10 elections. (Yeah, 2012 was insanely close but Romeny still lost to Santorum.) Three others were uncontested so they really don’t have much meaning in this case. The Iowa GOP has been hijacked by the religious right for some time. It is hardly representative of the state and tends to give a boost to the most extreme right candidates. The state itself is actually rather reliably on the Democratic side in the general election. Iowa has gone to the D’s in 6 of the last 7 Presidential elections. To me that means more than who wins under the bizarre caucus process. YMMV. ---
**Author:** ![Peremensoe](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/ce7236/32.png) [@Peremensoe](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Peremensoe)\ **Post date:** [October 28, 2015, 5:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/carson-vs-trump-this-could-get-interesting/735749/62 "2015-10-28T05:47:13Z")
> [@eschereal](#): > > AAUI, Seventh Day Adventists are biblical literalists. They go to church on _Saturday_, the _seventh_ day (on which Og rested). That never made sense to me. Why not just get Monday-first calendars? ---
**Author:** ![kaylasdad99](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kaylasdad99/32/3398_2.png) [@kaylasdad99](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kaylasdad99)\ **Post date:** [October 28, 2015, 6:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/carson-vs-trump-this-could-get-interesting/735749/63 "2015-10-28T06:52:55Z")
> [@cheryl55](#): > > 'Hedonistic casino owner" You are kidding right? Anyone HEDONISTIC would NEVER run for President with a 250K salary and literally a world full of headaches!! Trump is a billionaire and lives like a KING and has no intention of accepting a salary. I guess for people who have a one track mind…there is no believing that someone can have everything and DECIDE they love the country they live in, watching it going to RUIN decide with all their experience they could BRING back the USA that we all wish we had!! Or at the very least make it better. Maybe you don’t? Maybe YOU think the USA today is great? I have lived in this country for 62 years and I feel sorry for young people today… because I grew up with NONE of the worries that kids have today… NONE! There is a LAW or a citation for everything! Kids are like specimens under a microscope. Personally I could care less about Donald Trump’s personality…but the most important things to me are IMMIGRATION, JOBS, and SECURITY. There is not one single candidate BUT Trump that will do anything about Illegal immigration, and they are all career politicians who have done NOTHING but tell lies and live off of the taxpayers. That will not change. Ben Carson while an outsider has never said the same thing twice? Every time I listen to him he changes his beliefs. And I have listened to all of them OVER AND OVER. He also sat on boards of companies and NEVER ran one…he is all ready being controlled by his political Pac’s and it will get three times worse when the DONORS call in those favors. WE have that now. I give none of them a free pass, but so far I can see someone who’s proven success in business is the one that needs to run the biggest business yet… the country. I respect your opinions **and hope that you respect mine.** Well, that would be a lot easier if it weren’t for the fact that there’s not much respectable about the opinion that the United States of America is a business and should be operated according to business practices. Or the opinion that the president’s salary is $250K (it’s $400k). Welcome to the SDMB. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![BobLibDem](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/boblibdem/32/3149_2.png) [@BobLibDem](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BobLibDem)\ **Post date:** [October 28, 2015, 12:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/carson-vs-trump-this-could-get-interesting/735749/64 "2015-10-28T12:11:24Z")
> [@eschereal](#): > > AAUI, Seventh Day Adventists are biblical literalists. They go to church on _Saturday_, the _seventh_ day (on which Og rested). Presumably, that also makes them YECs, which is nonsensical in this day and age. Impractical, even. That’s fine and all and I think they have a point. But the SDAs act like it’s the cornerstone of theology and the most important thing on earth. Personally, I think things like loving your neighbor and helping the poor are a bit more important, but whatever floats your boat. ---
**Author:** ![even\_sven](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/dfb087/32.png) [@even\_sven](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/even_sven)\ **Post date:** [October 28, 2015, 12:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/carson-vs-trump-this-could-get-interesting/735749/65 "2015-10-28T12:26:03Z")
> [@Peremensoe](#): > > That never made sense to me. Why not just get Monday-first calendars? The story is that the Catholic Church (AKA the literal antichrist as described in Revelations) is and always has been in league with the pagans, and sun worshippers in particular. They changed the day of the Sabbath to the holy day for sun worshippers (Sunday) in order to gain acceptance from semi-converted pagans, lead the righteous astray, and generally spread their insidious paganism disguised as Christianity. Some time in the near future, as in the next few years (maybe even months), they expect Sunday worship to become legally enforced, with Saturday worshippers being jailed and maybe even killed. This, of course, will mark the beginning of the end times. Sunday worshippers will be provided some kind of mark-- as in the Mark of the Beast. ---
**Author:** ![doorhinge](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/a5b964/32.png) [@doorhinge](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/doorhinge)\ **Post date:** [October 28, 2015, 2:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/carson-vs-trump-this-could-get-interesting/735749/66 "2015-10-28T14:20:22Z")
> [@Procrustus](#): > > When you preface your comments with the equivalent of “ignore everything I say here,” (LSM) you can’t complain that no one takes you seriously. The substance of any point you were attempting to make is completely lost. I didn’t even know you were discussing Trump. Did you say something? ---
**Author:** ![BobLibDem](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/boblibdem/32/3149_2.png) [@BobLibDem](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BobLibDem)\ **Post date:** [October 28, 2015, 2:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/carson-vs-trump-this-could-get-interesting/735749/67 "2015-10-28T14:40:27Z")
> [@even\_sven](#): > > The story is that the Catholic Church (AKA the literal antichrist as described in Revelations) is and always has been in league with the pagans, and sun worshippers in particular. They changed the day of the Sabbath to the holy day for sun worshippers (Sunday) in order to gain acceptance from semi-converted pagans, lead the righteous astray, and generally spread their insidious paganism disguised as Christianity. > > Some time in the near future, as in the next few years (maybe even months), they expect Sunday worship to become legally enforced, with Saturday worshippers being jailed and maybe even killed. This, of course, will mark the beginning of the end times. Sunday worshippers will be provided some kind of mark-- as in the Mark of the Beast. Yes, the anti-Catholic venom of the SDA is disturbing to me and quite honestly I think it’s paranoia. ---
**Author:** ![Mr.Greenjeans](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mr.greenjeans/32/551_2.png) [@Mr.Greenjeans](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mr.Greenjeans)\ **Post date:** [October 28, 2015, 3:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/carson-vs-trump-this-could-get-interesting/735749/68 "2015-10-28T15:23:02Z")
> [@GIGObuster](#): > > That BTW was reported by the then French president as one of the points Dubya used with the French president to try to convince him that France should join the “coalition of the willing”. The then French president Chirac was flabbergasted at the ignorance. Chirac said no to Bush. And that’s why we have Freedom Fries! ---
**Author:** ![Chronos](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chronos/32/134_2.png) [@Chronos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chronos)\ **Post date:** [October 28, 2015, 4:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/carson-vs-trump-this-could-get-interesting/735749/69 "2015-10-28T16:16:59Z")
> [@](#): > > Quoth **cheryl55** : > > Trump only said he was a Presbyterian and did NOT know anything about Seventh Day Adventist…I do NOT call that calling anyone’s religion into question?? Um, yeah, actually saying that you don’t know anything about a topic is _exactly_ calling that topic into question. Why, what do you think a question is? ---
**Author:** ![GrandWino](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/grandwino/32/67_2.png) [@GrandWino](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GrandWino)\ **Post date:** [October 28, 2015, 4:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/carson-vs-trump-this-could-get-interesting/735749/70 "2015-10-28T16:27:52Z")
> [@Peremensoe](#): > > That never made sense to me. Why not just get Monday-first calendars? All of my work calendars are Monday-first b/c I work in media and we use [broadcast calendars](http://www.rab.com/public/reports/BroadcastCalendar_2015.pdf). Also, October ended on Sunday 10/25. It’s November now. Media-wise. ---
**Author:** ![eschereal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eschereal/32/18939_2.png) [@eschereal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/eschereal)\ **Post date:** [October 28, 2015, 5:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/carson-vs-trump-this-could-get-interesting/735749/71 "2015-10-28T17:30:21Z")
> [@Peremensoe](#): > > That never made sense to me. Why not just get Monday-first calendars? According to Bishop Ussher’s calculations, by modern reckoning, jehovallah commenced to creating the heavens and the earth on September 21[sup]st[/sup] 4003BC. It was a Sunday (for some reason, that assertion plays out in Frau Blücher’s voice). ---
**Author:** ![DrDeth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b487fb/32.png) [@DrDeth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrDeth)\ **Post date:** [October 28, 2015, 5:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/carson-vs-trump-this-could-get-interesting/735749/72 "2015-10-28T17:40:56Z")
> [@Kolak\_of\_Twilo](#): > > You have a different method of counting than I do. From what I can see the winner of the caucuses failed to get the GOP nomination in 4 of the last 10 elections. (Yeah, 2012 was insanely close but Romeny still lost to Santorum.) Three others were uncontested so they really don’t have much meaning in this case… wiki: 2012 - Rick Santorum (25%), Mitt Romney (25%), Ron Paul (21%), Newt Gingrich (13%), Rick Perry (10%), Michele Bachmann (5%), and Jon Huntsman (0.6%)[12] 2008 – Mike Huckabee (34%), Mitt Romney (25%), Fred Thompson (13%), John McCain (13%), Ron Paul (10%), Rudy Giuliani (4%), and Duncan Hunter (1%) 2004 – George W. Bush (unopposed) 2000 – George W. Bush (41%), Steve Forbes (31%), Alan Keyes (14%), Gary Bauer (9%), John McCain (5%), and Orrin Hatch (1%) 1996 – Bob Dole (26%), Pat Buchanan (23%), Lamar Alexander (18%), Steve Forbes (10%), Phil Gramm (9%), Alan Keyes (7%), Richard Lugar (4%), and Morry Taylor (1%) 1992 – George H. W. Bush (unopposed) 1988 – Bob Dole (37%), Pat Robertson (25%), George H. W. Bush (19%), Jack Kemp (11%), and Pete DuPont (7%) 1984 – Ronald Reagan (unopposed) 1980 – George H. W. Bush (32%), Ronald Reagan (30%), Howard Baker (15%), John Connally (9%), Phil Crane (7%), John B. Anderson (4%), and Bob Dole (2%) 1976 – Gerald Ford (45%) and Ronald Reagan (43%) 2012= tie, not wrong,not right. 2008 = wrong. 2004, 2000, 1996, 1992= right. 1988= wrong. 1984= right, 1980 almost a tie. 1976= right. ---
**Author:** ![Chefguy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chefguy/32/138_2.png) [@Chefguy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chefguy)\ **Post date:** [October 28, 2015, 6:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/carson-vs-trump-this-could-get-interesting/735749/73 "2015-10-28T18:47:05Z")
Trump will shout generalities with no substance to them. Carson will mumble generalities with no substance to them. Trump appeals to those without critical thinking abilities. Carson appeals to the religious right, but the Southern vote will likely stay home. Neither of them would be a good leader, and neither of them will be in the White House. ---
**Author:** ![Icarus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/icarus/32/72_2.png) [@Icarus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Icarus)\ **Post date:** [October 28, 2015, 8:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/carson-vs-trump-this-could-get-interesting/735749/74 "2015-10-28T20:40:42Z")
> [@Chefguy](#): > > …neither of them will be in the White House. …actually, I have a number to call to get on the waiting list for a tour… ---
**Author:** ![dropzone](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dropzone/32/7515_2.png) [@dropzone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dropzone)\ **Post date:** [October 30, 2015, 1:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/carson-vs-trump-this-could-get-interesting/735749/75 "2015-10-30T01:44:42Z")
> [@even\_sven](#): > > The story is that the Catholic Church (AKA the literal antichrist as described in Revelations) is and always has been in league with the pagans, and sun worshippers in particular. They changed the day of the Sabbath to the holy day for sun worshippers (Sunday) in order to gain acceptance from semi-converted pagans, lead the righteous astray, and generally spread their insidious paganism disguised as Christianity. All true, but what’s their point? Did some of the same with the Norse gods. Then the Aztec gods. The Church knows its marketing, which is why it’s H-U-U-U-G-E while the SDA is piddly. 😉 ---
**Author:** ![TonySinclair](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/49beb7/32.png) [@TonySinclair](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TonySinclair)\ **Post date:** [October 30, 2015, 1:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/carson-vs-trump-this-could-get-interesting/735749/76 "2015-10-30T01:49:50Z")
> [@dropzone](#): > > All true, but what’s their point? Did some of the same with the Norse gods. Then the Aztec gods. The Church knows its marketing, which is why it’s H-U-U-U-G-E while the SDA is piddly. 😉 How were the Aztec gods incorporated into Church teaching? ETA: or even the Norse? Do you mean the names for the weekdays, which AFAIK is a Germanic thing, not a Catholic thing, since the Roman gods are used for weekday names in, e.g., Spanish and Italian. ---
**Author:** ![DrDeth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b487fb/32.png) [@DrDeth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrDeth)\ **Post date:** [October 30, 2015, 1:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/carson-vs-trump-this-could-get-interesting/735749/77 "2015-10-30T01:56:49Z")
> [@dropzone](#): > > All true, but what’s their point? Did some of the same with the Norse gods. Then the Aztec gods. The Church knows its marketing, which is why it’s H-U-U-U-G-E while the SDA is piddly. 😉 Not true at all. wikwi: I_n Eastern Christianity and Catholicism, the Sabbath is considered still to be on Saturday, the seventh day, in remembrance of the Hebrew Sabbath. In most of Protestantism also, the “Lord’s Day” (Greek κυριακός) is considered to be on Sunday, the first day (and “eighth day”). Communal worship, including the Holy Mysteries, may take place on any day, but a weekly observance of the resurrection is made consistently on Sunday. Western Christianity sometimes refers to the Lord’s Day as a “Christian Sabbath”, distinct from the Hebrew Sabbath, but related in varying manner. Many Christians affirm commonly that communal worship is not limited to Sabbath (Acts 2:45), and that “Sabbath was made for man”, meaning all mankind (Mark 2:27)._ ---
**Author:** ![Frank](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/3d9bf3/32.png) [@Frank](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Frank)\ **Post date:** [October 30, 2015, 2:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/carson-vs-trump-this-could-get-interesting/735749/78 "2015-10-30T02:03:07Z")
> [@DrDeth](#): > > Not true at all. > wikwi: I\*n Eastern Christianity and Catholicism, the Sabbath is considered still to be on Saturday, the seventh day, in remembrance of the Hebrew Sabbath. Nonsense. I was raised Catholic. Our seventh day was Sunday. My brother-in-law is Greek Orthodox. His seventh day is Sunday. You’re wrong. ---
**Author:** ![glowacks](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/glowacks/32/5548_2.png) [@glowacks](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/glowacks)\ **Post date:** [October 30, 2015, 3:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/carson-vs-trump-this-could-get-interesting/735749/79 "2015-10-30T03:04:09Z")
Jews’ Sabbath is on what we call Saturday because that’s the way it’s always been. Jesus is said to have been resurrected on a we now call Sunday, so that’s when most Christians worship. SDA apparently care more about what day God is said to have told the Jews to rest than what day Christ became zombified, which makes them very strange for Christians. Most Christians just don’t care that the Jewish Sabbath is Saturday. ---
**Author:** ![TonySinclair](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/49beb7/32.png) [@TonySinclair](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TonySinclair)\ **Post date:** [October 30, 2015, 3:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/carson-vs-trump-this-could-get-interesting/735749/80 "2015-10-30T03:25:22Z")
> [@Frank](#): > > Nonsense. I was raised Catholic. Our seventh day was Sunday. My brother-in-law is Greek Orthodox. His seventh day is Sunday. > > You’re wrong. I can’t get over how many Dopers seem to think that being raised Catholic means you know a lot about Christianity or Catholicism. Pick a Catholic at random, and the odds are he [can’t even name the four gospels](http://www.pewforum.org/2010/09/28/u-s-religious-knowledge-survey-who-knows-what-about-religion/). Barely half of Catholics know the basic idea behind Communion. And clearly, many of them don’t know that Sunday is the first day of the week. [http://www.catholic.com/quickquestions/did-the-early-church-move-the-sabbath-from-saturday-to-sunday](http://www.catholic.com/quickquestions/did-the-early-church-move-the-sabbath-from-saturday-to-sunday) and [http://www.vatican.va/archive/ccc\_css/archive/catechism/p3s2c1a3.htm](http://www.vatican.va/archive/ccc_css/archive/catechism/p3s2c1a3.htm) [QUOTE=the Vatican] 2174 Jesus rose from the dead “on the first day of the week”… 2175 Sunday is expressly distinguished from the sabbath which it follows chronologically every week; for Christians its ceremonial observance replaces that of the sabbath. [/QUOTE] [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/carson-vs-trump-this-could-get-interesting/735749.md?page=3) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/carson-vs-trump-this-could-get-interesting/735749.md?page=5)