# "Casablanca" **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [May 13, 2007, 12:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/casablanca/403881 "2007-05-13T00:31:17Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 7
**Author:** ![silenus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/silenus/32/166_2.png) [@silenus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/silenus)\ **Post date:** [May 17, 2007, 1:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/casablanca/403881/121 "2007-05-17T01:00:56Z")
[QUOTE=PharmBoy] I feel the majority of the cussing, nudity and gore is simply not germane to the story. [/QUOTE] The damn Germans got nothing to do with it! No, wait… 😃 ---
**Author:** ![carnivorousplant](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnivorousplant/32/3563_2.png) [@carnivorousplant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carnivorousplant)\ **Post date:** [May 17, 2007, 1:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/casablanca/403881/122 "2007-05-17T01:13:03Z")
[QUOTE=PharmBoy] No gory violence, [/QUOTE] When I first saw _The Big Sleep_ at the Arts Center, folks clapped when Bogie shot Canino six times in the gut. No blood, though, not even chocolate syrup. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![David\_Simmons](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/9de053/32.png) [@David\_Simmons](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/David_Simmons)\ **Post date:** [May 17, 2007, 2:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/casablanca/403881/123 "2007-05-17T02:14:47Z")
[QUOTE=Wee Bairn] 100 posts, and I’m the only one who prefers To Have and Have Not, mainly becasue I think Bogart and Bacall had better chemistry than Bogart & Bergman? Oh well, as you were. [/QUOTE] Bogart must preferred younger women. If I remember right, Bacall was only 17 years old. ---
**Author:** ![carnivorousplant](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnivorousplant/32/3563_2.png) [@carnivorousplant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carnivorousplant)\ **Post date:** [May 17, 2007, 2:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/casablanca/403881/124 "2007-05-17T02:17:05Z")
[QUOTE=David Simmons] Bogart must preferred younger women. If I remember right, Bacall was only 17 years old. [/QUOTE] The relationship seems to have done well, whatever the reason for attraction. ---
**Author:** ![Walloon](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/fbc32d/32.png) [@Walloon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Walloon)\ **Post date:** [May 17, 2007, 3:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/casablanca/403881/125 "2007-05-17T03:29:14Z")
Bacall was 19 when she was cast, 20 when it was released. ---
**Author:** ![Siam\_Sam](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/d78d45/32.png) [@Siam\_Sam](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Siam_Sam)\ **Post date:** [May 17, 2007, 5:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/casablanca/403881/126 "2007-05-17T05:08:12Z")
[QUOTE=carnivorousplant] When I first saw _The Big Sleep_ at the Arts Center, folks clapped when Bogie shot Canino six times in the gut. No blood, though, not even chocolate syrup. 🙂 [/QUOTE] I’m on of the few people who thoroughly dislikes _The Big Sleep_, although not because of Bogie. They butchered a great book mercilessly. I was embarrassed when I watched it again recently. I won’t give away the identity of the murderer in the book, but it’s one of the other characters in the movie. In the book, Canino does not even get killed, and even though yes he’s a racketeer, he’s sort of a flawed good guy. Plus that scene in the film with Bacall leading a sing-along in the speakeasy makes me cringe. ---
**Author:** ![Siam\_Sam](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/d78d45/32.png) [@Siam\_Sam](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Siam_Sam)\ **Post date:** [May 17, 2007, 5:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/casablanca/403881/127 "2007-05-17T05:16:15Z")
[QUOTE=carnivorousplant] Maltese Falcon, Across the Pacific and All Through the Night were made [before](http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0000007/) Casablanca, although I don’t know when they were shown. [/QUOTE] Ah yes. _The Maltese Falcon_ came out in 1941, _Casablanca_ in 1942. I do remember, though, something about _Casablanca_ being released for an early limited run in late 1941 first, to take advantage of events in the real city of Casablanca making the news at that time. ---
**Author:** ![Walloon](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/fbc32d/32.png) [@Walloon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Walloon)\ **Post date:** [May 17, 2007, 5:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/casablanca/403881/128 "2007-05-17T05:42:42Z")
_Casablanca_ was filmed in the summer of 1942. It was scheduled to be a spring 1943 release, but Warner Bros. moved up the New York release date to November 1942 to capitalize on the fact that U.S. forces had landed in North Africa. The movie went into general release in January 1943. ---
**Author:** ![carnivorousplant](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnivorousplant/32/3563_2.png) [@carnivorousplant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carnivorousplant)\ **Post date:** [May 17, 2007, 12:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/casablanca/403881/129 "2007-05-17T12:30:58Z")
[QUOTE=Siam Sam] I do remember, though, something about _Casablanca_ being released for an early limited run [/QUOTE] So perhaps film makers would consider him a tough guy in the other films first, the public first in Casablanca. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![carnivorousplant](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnivorousplant/32/3563_2.png) [@carnivorousplant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carnivorousplant)\ **Post date:** [May 17, 2007, 12:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/casablanca/403881/130 "2007-05-17T12:36:40Z")
[QUOTE=Siam Sam] They butchered a great book mercilessly. I was embarrassed when I watched it again recently. [/QUOTE] There is the claim that Chandler didn’t know who did what to whom when asked. 🙂 I’ve wondered if they couldn’t have Carmen kill Rusty because of social mores of the time. How did the Robert Mitchum remake fair with you? [QUOTE=Siam Sam] Plus that scene in the film with Bacall leading a sing-along in the speakeasy makes me cringe. [/QUOTE] I believe that was a requirement of the times. ---
**Author:** ![twickster](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/ec9cab/32.png) [@twickster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/twickster)\ **Post date:** [May 17, 2007, 12:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/casablanca/403881/131 "2007-05-17T12:39:13Z")
[QUOTE=carnivorousplant] I believe that was a requirement of the times. [/QUOTE] Singalongs? or cringing? ---
**Author:** ![Archergal](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/c89c15/32.png) [@Archergal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Archergal)\ **Post date:** [May 17, 2007, 2:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/casablanca/403881/132 "2007-05-17T14:06:00Z")
[QUOTE=Elendil’s Heir] - The refugee couple and the waiter: “What watch?.. Such much?” “You’ll get along very well in America.” [/QUOTE] I occasionally call my husband “Sweetnessheart”, from that same scene. 😃 ---
**Author:** ![Typo\_Knig](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/cdc98d/32.png) [@Typo\_Knig](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Typo_Knig)\ **Post date:** [May 17, 2007, 4:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/casablanca/403881/133 "2007-05-17T16:53:26Z")
[QUOTE=PharmBoy] Exactly. The other thing that strikes me about this movie: it’s a great story, and you can let your kids watch it, No gory violence, no F-words and no boobs. Don’t get me wrong, I like boobs as much as the next guy, but in the rush to get viewers, I feel the majority of the cussing, nudity and gore is simply not germane to the story. [/QUOTE] And no fart jokes. I like fart jokes, but must they be in **every** Disney movie? :rolleyes: Good point, **PharmBoy** , maybe I’ll watch Casablanca with the kids this weekend. ---
**Author:** ![Siam\_Sam](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/d78d45/32.png) [@Siam\_Sam](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Siam_Sam)\ **Post date:** [May 18, 2007, 3:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/casablanca/403881/134 "2007-05-18T03:49:02Z")
[QUOTE=carnivorousplant] I believe that was a requirement of the times. [/QUOTE] Yeah, I know, but there was something about that one in particular that was just plain embarrassing. The same feeling I would probably have if Mickey Rooney was in a brothel and suddenly said, “Hey, gang! Let’s put on a show!” (No, I don’t mean THAT kind of a show.) Just felt totally out of place. ---
**Author:** ![Siam\_Sam](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/d78d45/32.png) [@Siam\_Sam](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Siam_Sam)\ **Post date:** [May 18, 2007, 3:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/casablanca/403881/135 "2007-05-18T03:53:07Z")
[QUOTE=Walloon] _Casablanca_ was filmed in the summer of 1942. It was scheduled to be a spring 1943 release, but Warner Bros. moved up the New York release date to November 1942 to capitalize on the fact that U.S. forces had landed in North Africa. The movie went into general release in January 1943. [/QUOTE] Okay, I’m getting my years slightly mixed up. I was thinking it was filmed in 1941 before the US actually entered the war, but you’re right. The [imdb.com](http://imdb.com) entry does mention studio publicity about the film in 1941, and that could be part of why I was thinking that year. ---
**Author:** ![The\_Punkyova](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/b9e5f3/32.png) [@The\_Punkyova](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Punkyova)\ **Post date:** [May 18, 2007, 4:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/casablanca/403881/136 "2007-05-18T04:22:16Z")
[QUOTE=carnivorousplant] Oh yes, [All Through the Night](http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0034449/) where Conrad Veidt plays another Evil Nazi, willing to Kill his daschund in a suicide boat crash! :eek: [/QUOTE] The fiend! :eek: :eek: ---
**Author:** ![Wendell\_Wagner](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/8491ac/32.png) [@Wendell\_Wagner](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Wendell_Wagner)\ **Post date:** [May 18, 2007, 3:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/casablanca/403881/137 "2007-05-18T15:07:38Z")
David Simmons writes: \> Bogart must preferred younger women. Bogart was married four times. If I recall correctly, his first two wives were significantly older than him. His third wife was somewhat younger, and his fourth wife (Bacall) was significantly younger. ---
**Author:** ![Walloon](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/fbc32d/32.png) [@Walloon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Walloon)\ **Post date:** [May 18, 2007, 3:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/casablanca/403881/138 "2007-05-18T15:31:52Z")
Humphrey Bogart was born in 1899. 1st wife, Helen Menken, was born in 1901. 2nd wife, Mary Philips, was born in 1901. 3rd wife, Mayo Methot, was born in 1904. 4th wife, Lauren Bacall, was born in 1924. You’re probably thinking of Clark Gable, whose first two wives were 14 and 17 years older than him. ---
**Author:** ![TommyTutone](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/c4cdca/32.png) [@TommyTutone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TommyTutone)\ **Post date:** [May 18, 2007, 4:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/casablanca/403881/139 "2007-05-18T16:11:28Z")
It took me a week to wonder why the third Google link under Casablanca is the US White House page. I’m still kicking myself. ---
**Author:** ![mobo85](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/b19c9b/32.png) [@mobo85](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mobo85)\ **Post date:** [May 18, 2007, 4:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/casablanca/403881/140 "2007-05-18T16:16:52Z")
[QUOTE=TommyTutone] It took me a week to wonder why the third Google link under Casablanca is the US White House page. I’m still kicking myself. [/QUOTE] [So is Hitler](http://www.snopes.com/language/misxlate/casablan.htm) (Okay, not really, but it’s a good story). [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/casablanca/403881.md?page=6) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/casablanca/403881.md?page=8)