# Cases Where the Movie Version Has Taken Over **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Tags:** movies\ **Created:** [May 17, 2024, 6:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cases-where-the-movie-version-has-taken-over/1001711 "2024-05-17T18:16:27Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 10
**Author:** ![garygnu](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/garygnu/32/2924_2.png) [@garygnu](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/garygnu)\ **Post date:** [May 25, 2024, 3:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cases-where-the-movie-version-has-taken-over/1001711/181 "2024-05-25T15:28:01Z")
Fucking hell, swipe-o. I double checked it, too. Coming down the hall. ---
**Author:** ![DrDeth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b487fb/32.png) [@DrDeth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrDeth)\ **Post date:** [May 25, 2024, 8:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cases-where-the-movie-version-has-taken-over/1001711/182 "2024-05-25T20:36:51Z")
> [@mbh](#): > > Did they airbrush the cigarettes out of the photos, or leave them in? There would be none when Walt was around kids. ---
**Author:** ![dgy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/a587f6/32.png) [@dgy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dgy)\ **Post date:** [May 27, 2024, 1:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cases-where-the-movie-version-has-taken-over/1001711/183 "2024-05-27T01:28:50Z")
@Mahaloth The second film tries to cover the rest of Ende’s book. Of course, none of it is set in the contemporary world. ---
**Author:** ![dgy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/a587f6/32.png) [@dgy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dgy)\ **Post date:** [May 27, 2024, 1:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cases-where-the-movie-version-has-taken-over/1001711/184 "2024-05-27T01:37:07Z")
@CalMeacham In the US, the original (1950s?) _The War of the Worlds_ was set in the US and referenced the Cold War in much the same way as _The Day the Earth Stood Still_. This was the norm (here) despite Wells’ text being set in England (?) and criticizing England’s colonialism. The Tom Cruz remake was also set in the US but tries to be more faithful to the text so younger folks likely don’t realize the difference from the predecessor. My entry for film preempting book would be John Dies in the End. The film is much prefered (though the book is entertaining and has the advantage of having a SEQUEL!!) ---
**Author:** ![Mahaloth](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mahaloth/32/1079_2.png) [@Mahaloth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mahaloth)\ **Post date:** [May 27, 2024, 1:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cases-where-the-movie-version-has-taken-over/1001711/185 "2024-05-27T01:54:05Z")
> [@dgy](#): > > @Mahaloth The second film tries to cover the rest of Ende’s book. Of course, none of it is set in the contemporary world. Well, I think it continues it a bit, but does not attempt to cover the rest of the book. It does cover the portion where Bastian loses memories by wishing. And jumps around a bit. ---
**Author:** ![dgy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/a587f6/32.png) [@dgy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dgy)\ **Post date:** [May 27, 2024, 2:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cases-where-the-movie-version-has-taken-over/1001711/186 "2024-05-27T02:09:36Z")
What I find interesting is how a screenplaywriter/producer decides what parts of an original text to use and which to discard/alter. _E.g._, The Three Body Problem appears to have covered the first volume and about a third of the second – in its first season. That tells me very little about the number of seasons, whether the remainder of the series will be covered as literally, _etc._ _I.e._, should I look forward to another season or just call it quits at the third volume of the trilogy? Which will be the least disappointing approach? ---
**Author:** ![Der\_Trihs](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/der_trihs/32/233_2.png) [@Der\_Trihs](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Der_Trihs)\ **Post date:** [May 27, 2024, 3:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cases-where-the-movie-version-has-taken-over/1001711/187 "2024-05-27T03:52:28Z")
Also, Marvel’s Hyde is a supervillain who _named himself after_ the Robert Louis Stevenson character, rather than an alternate portrayal of the character. So I don’t think he’d qualify for this thread anyway. ---
**Author:** ![Pardel-Lux](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/pardel-lux/32/20182_2.png) [@Pardel-Lux](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Pardel-Lux)\ **Post date:** [May 27, 2024, 3:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cases-where-the-movie-version-has-taken-over/1001711/188 "2024-05-27T15:39:08Z")
> [@dgy](#): > > The Tom **Cruz** remake […] > (bolding mine) I like that. May I infer that you speak Spanish? ---
**Author:** ![dgy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/a587f6/32.png) [@dgy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dgy)\ **Post date:** [May 27, 2024, 4:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cases-where-the-movie-version-has-taken-over/1001711/189 "2024-05-27T16:15:06Z")
No. Brain fart. ---
**Author:** ![DesertDog](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/desertdog/32/11503_2.png) [@DesertDog](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DesertDog)\ **Post date:** [May 27, 2024, 7:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cases-where-the-movie-version-has-taken-over/1001711/190 "2024-05-27T19:39:29Z")
> [@Lumpy](#): > > In story the glasses are purportedly to protect one’s eyes from the dazzling radiance of the city- a subtle hint of what a fraud the Wizard turns out to be. They were locked on at the gate as well, something that gave me the heebie-jeebies when I read the book as a 10-year old. Dorothy’s slip for a few moments so she discovered the deception but did not mention it to the others. ---
**Author:** ![DrDeth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b487fb/32.png) [@DrDeth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrDeth)\ **Post date:** [May 27, 2024, 7:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cases-where-the-movie-version-has-taken-over/1001711/191 "2024-05-27T19:54:19Z")
> [@dgy](#): > > In the US, the original (1950s?) _The War of the Worlds_ was set in the US and referenced the Cold War in much the same way as _The Day the Earth Stood Still_. This was the norm (here) despite Wells’ text being set in England (?) and criticizing England’s colonialism. IIRC, the Martians invaded world wide in the book. ---
**Author:** ![dgy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/a587f6/32.png) [@dgy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dgy)\ **Post date:** [May 27, 2024, 8:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cases-where-the-movie-version-has-taken-over/1001711/192 "2024-05-27T20:27:03Z")
The narrator described the effects in britain, IIRC. To emphasize the other side of the british empires colonization efforts (see what its like when the martians want to colonize YOU?!) ---
**Author:** ![DesertDog](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/desertdog/32/11503_2.png) [@DesertDog](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DesertDog)\ **Post date:** [May 27, 2024, 9:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cases-where-the-movie-version-has-taken-over/1001711/193 "2024-05-27T21:46:04Z")
> [@CalMeacham](#): > > As long as they don’t bite into an artery they’re pretty safe from great pressurized spouts of blood. [![](https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEgQHUA58PjxRHZB6wtJQvG-AcuPaQJ82GKzA0aFxrZeXVjCPaMqVOe6iVY2vGj1DLV4DAhTEfERWsHVswjjIdKzYkZf-st9jCNQl_GF13o4WeEmTeC2A0mT7AE6184QzceyzsTyhDxIKfEi/s400/Larson+Mosquito.jpg) ](https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEgQHUA58PjxRHZB6wtJQvG-AcuPaQJ82GKzA0aFxrZeXVjCPaMqVOe6iVY2vGj1DLV4DAhTEfERWsHVswjjIdKzYkZf-st9jCNQl_GF13o4WeEmTeC2A0mT7AE6184QzceyzsTyhDxIKfEi/s400/Larson+Mosquito.jpg) ---
**Author:** ![Lumpy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lumpy/32/446_2.png) [@Lumpy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lumpy)\ **Post date:** [May 28, 2024, 1:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cases-where-the-movie-version-has-taken-over/1001711/194 "2024-05-28T01:11:02Z")
-and Larson remembered that all blood-sucking mosquitos are female. ---
**Author:** ![CaptMurdock](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/captmurdock/32/11736_2.png) [@CaptMurdock](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CaptMurdock)\ **Post date:** [May 28, 2024, 1:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cases-where-the-movie-version-has-taken-over/1001711/195 "2024-05-28T01:45:55Z")
**2001: A Space Odyssey.** Now, the movie and the book were being produced more or less concurrently – in fact, Clarke mentions he was obligated to revise the book based on scenes filmed that Kubrik revised from earlier script drafts written by Clarke. The book has the alien device that encounters (and apparently evolves) the ape-men looking like a transparent crystal, rather than the black obelisk made iconic by the movie. Also, _Discovery’s_ destination in the book is Saturn, not Jupiter. (Specifically, Japetus, one of Saturn’s moons.0 When Clarke wrote the sequels, the ship’s destination was retconned to Jupiter, presumably to match the film that far more people were familiar with. ---
**Author:** ![Q.Q.Switcheroo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/q.q.switcheroo/32/5713_2.png) [@Q.Q.Switcheroo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Q.Q.Switcheroo)\ **Post date:** [May 28, 2024, 2:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cases-where-the-movie-version-has-taken-over/1001711/196 "2024-05-28T02:04:16Z")
…eventually. [https://www.reddit.com/user/FlattopJr/comments/10j2per/the\_far\_side\_mosquitos/](https://www.reddit.com/user/FlattopJr/comments/10j2per/the_far_side_mosquitos/) ---
**Author:** ![CalMeacham](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/calmeacham/32/35_2.png) [@CalMeacham](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CalMeacham)\ **Post date:** [May 28, 2024, 2:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cases-where-the-movie-version-has-taken-over/1001711/197 "2024-05-28T02:29:22Z")
> [@CaptMurdock](#): > > **2001: A Space Odyssey.** Now, the movie and the book were being produced more or less concurrently – in fact, Clarke mentions he was obligated to revise the book based on scenes filmed that Kubrik revised from earlier script drafts written by Clarke. The book has the alien device that encounters (and apparently evolves) the ape-men looking like a transparent crystal, rather than the black obelisk made iconic by the movie. Also, _Discovery’s_ destination in the book is Saturn, not Jupiter. (Specifically, Japetus, one of Saturn’s moons.0 When Clarke wrote the sequels, the ship’s destination was retconned to Jupiter, presumably to match the film that far more people were familiar with. The movie clearly took over the images in the public mind. As with _The Shining_, another Kubrick film, anyone referencing the story invariably refers to the film, not Clarke’s novel. This includes, significantly, the sequel movie **2010** , which re-created the sets from the film faithfully and even brought back actors Keir Dullea and Douglas Rain to reprise their roles as David Bowman and HAL-9000. This, despite the fact that the film is based on Clarke’s own novel. The film version doesn’t _have_ to take over. I note, for instance, that Michael Mann’s excellent movie **Manhunter** , based on Thomas Harris’ novel **Red Dragon** was completely ignored when they remade i with Anthony Hopkins as Hannibal Lecter (under the title **Red Dragon** ). And the HBO series **Watchmen** owe its vision and ideas to the Alan Moore/Dave Gibbons graphic novel, not the Zack Snyder 2009 movie. (There really is a giant squid-alien in the HBO series, unlike the film.) ---
**Author:** ![CaptMurdock](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/captmurdock/32/11736_2.png) [@CaptMurdock](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CaptMurdock)\ **Post date:** [May 28, 2024, 5:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cases-where-the-movie-version-has-taken-over/1001711/198 "2024-05-28T05:26:46Z")
> [@CalMeacham](#): > > The film version doesn’t _have_ to take over. I note, for instance, that Michael Mann’s excellent movie **Manhunter** , based on Thomas Harris’ novel **Red Dragon** was completely ignored when they remade i with Anthony Hopkins as Hannibal Lecter (under the title **Red Dragon** ). > > And the HBO series **Watchmen** owe its vision and ideas to the Alan Moore/Dave Gibbons graphic novel, not the Zack Snyder 2009 movie. (There really is a giant squid-alien in the HBO series, unlike the film.) I still prefer _Manhunter._ I think Bryan Cox’ interpretation of Lecter is interesting and definitely different from Hopkins. Uggh. I _still_ hate the Telepathic Space Octopus ending. ---
**Author:** ![dgy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/a587f6/32.png) [@dgy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dgy)\ **Post date:** [May 28, 2024, 5:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cases-where-the-movie-version-has-taken-over/1001711/199 "2024-05-28T05:55:04Z")
> [@CaptMurdock](#): > > Now, the movie and the book were being produced more or less concurrently – in fact, Clarke mentions he was obligated to revise the book based on scenes filmed that Kubrik revised from earlier script drafts written by Clarke. There’s a book “_The Lost Worlds of 2001_” (or somesuch) in which Clarke gripes about how Kubrik kept asking for revisions and attempting to delay the book’s release until afer the film appeared (so it wouldn’t steal his thunder?). The book presents some of the earlier/discarded revisions. It’s an interesting read, if only to see the politics/personalities behind the film’s creation. ---
**Author:** ![Der\_Trihs](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/der_trihs/32/233_2.png) [@Der\_Trihs](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Der_Trihs)\ **Post date:** [May 28, 2024, 7:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cases-where-the-movie-version-has-taken-over/1001711/200 "2024-05-28T07:16:06Z")
I recall reading that the reason for the monolith being changed into the familiar black slab is that the transparent version didn’t look good on film. They apparently got as far as buying a big slab of Lucite and filming it before deciding it just wasn’t going to look as cool as they wanted. Considering how well the Enigmatic Black Slab worked I think it was the right choice. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cases-where-the-movie-version-has-taken-over/1001711.md?page=9) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cases-where-the-movie-version-has-taken-over/1001711.md?page=11)