I read Tom Brown once, but it’s dated and boring to a American. However, I have reread and own most Flashman books.
The first Flashman book is more of the parody, after that, nope.
That was great, thank you!
Actually, I became aware of the movie from those clips, and was prompted to watch it because of them. Yes, it’s great. Particularly chilling is Goebbels and his wife murdering their six children before committing suicide.
And note, what we think of as a parody isnt always a true parody. I give several levels or types:
Pastiche: This is a loving tribute to the original. Solar Pons is a pastiche of Sherlock Holmes.
Parody: this makes fun or- in either a gentle or save way- the original.
Travesty: This takes the original and changes it is a way that would be horrific to the original author: The League of Extraordinary Gentlemen makes a travesty of H Rider Haggards hero.Wicked: The Life and Times of the Wicked Witch of the West is a travesty of Wizard of Oz. Nicer word than “travesty” is “revisionist”
Ripoff: purely for money, some travesties may be ripoffs. Does it give credit to the original?
Now, none of the characters in Watchmen are original- and no credit- iirc- is give to the originals. Does that make Watchman a Pastiche, a Parody or a Travesty?
Yes, they are. The original impetus was to use the Charlton characters, but the *Watchmen *characters morphed enough from those that they were original characters by the time the comic was published, not just pastiches (in as much as any comic character has been original since the 40s). And everyone was quite open about that process, so accusations of “no credit” are unfounded, IMO.
Moore based Rorschach on Ditko’s creation Mr. A;[27] Ditko’s Charlton character The Question also served as a template for creating Rorschach.[15] … Nite Owl was based on the Ted Kord version of the Blue Beetle. P
“everyone was quite open about that process”- so the Watchmen comics explained that?
“based … on”. “served as a template”. “was based on”
Gosh, that sounds exactly like what I said.
And by “open”, I mean no-one has ever denied the foundation of the Charlton characters. And there was enough talk about it in the fandom at the time. Not a big secret.
My emphasis
But your notion that the first issue should have contained some kind of giant holo-foil “The part of Mr A is now played by Rorschach” disclaimer is laughable.
Ha. There, see, I laughed.
This might be a generational thing, but I can tell you I knew “Duck Dodgers in the 24½th Century” long before I’d heard of Buck Rogers.
I don’t think this has been mentioned yet (but I only skimmed most of the thread), but IIRC Weird Al’s “White and Nerdy” is more well known that “Ridin’”.
You didnt use* any *of those terms or words. So, it doesnt sound at all like what you said.
If you are stealing someone’s work, it’s not enuf to “have it discussed in fandom”. Trust me, my stuff is stolen all the time, I know about copyright and plagiarism.
Note that the original Captain Marvel was considered close enough to Superman that a copyright suit was filed and Fawcett stopped using him and sold him to DC.
Captain Marvel (aka Shazam) isnt Superman, they are fairly different. But the point was that Marvel was based on Supes- and that won the case (settled out of court, Fawcett conceded).
So, yeah, Rorschach isnt exactly Mr. A or the Question- but he is based upon them- that would be enough to lose, based upon the Fawcett suit. Obviously since DC owned both watchman and those characters, they werent gonna sue. But some decent regard for others people creative efforts demands at least a mention- but of course Moore has no decent regard for anyone else but himself and his inflated ego.
Nitpick: DC has never owned Mr. A.
The comic market was tanking so Fawcett got out of the business. They may have ended up winning the suit if they had continued to fight it, it just wasn’t worth continuing.
Me: The original impetus was…
You (quoting Wiki): Based on…
Also You: Didn’t use the same words, not the same.
Me: SMFH.
If you are begging the question…
No. You have a complete misunderstanding of the Fawcett suit.
The key point in the Fawcett suit was that some Captain Marvel stories were** actual copies** of Superman stories.
Said retrial never happened, BTW, so drawing any conclusions about what is and isn’t considered ripping-off in comics from it is risible.
Heh. There, I risled.
Ditko retains rights to Mr A. He’s never sued Moore for plagiarism. And if he did, it would be laughed out of court. *Because *everyone’s been quite open about the whole process of Watchmen’s character creation.
This isn’t really about the minutiae of copyright, is it?
Learn something new daily. Wow, I thought for sure Airplane! was based on Runway Zero-Eight.
Aha, it was, sort of. That is, the plot of Zero Hour is the same exact storyline as Runway Zero-Eight. Must be a story behind that one. It’s all Arthur Hailey. Did he just keep writing the same damn story over and over again? I mean, Airport is also highly similar.
Do we need to if we’ve seen Airplane!?
I’m going to agree with the earlier poster that, while many of Al’s songs are very well known (and done), I don’t know that any of them are more well-known than the originals or at least the originals are not obscure/forgotten.
“Ridin” was a #1 single and Grammy winner and the phrase “Ridin Dirty” is something that is well-known and used today. I have a couple 30-something white co-workers who used that exact phrase in a Facebook post yesterday. While Chamillionaire is somewhat of a 1-hit wonder , though in my circles he was known for his earlier music with Paul Wall and he did have a 2nd Gold album and a couple more charting/certified singles, he is now well-known in the business world for ventures like his investment in Maker Studios and association with VCs.
I’m a 40 year-old white guy who at one point probably knew “Eat It” as well as the original, but I’d never say it reached anywhere close to the original. And during the release of “Ridin” I was an underground hip-hop snob, so I only was exposed to it unintentionally.
I know I’m replying to a years-old post here, but what the hell:
Besides being a bad song, there was only one criterion for eligibility for Dave Barry’s “worst songs” polls: it had to have gotten enough airplay to be remembered. Which put a limit on how obscure it could be, and also meant that regardless of how many people thought the song sucked even at the time, enough people liked it that it kept on getting played.
Can a faithless adaptation be considered a parody? Thinking about *Starship Troopers *here…
I would say no. It’s just satire.
If parts of it are a parody, they’d be a parody of wartime propaganda films.
In the movie “Half Baked”, Jim Brewers character quits his job with a Tom Cruise line from “Jerry Maguire”:
" I’m not gonna do what everyone thinks I’m gonna do…"
At the time the movie was made, anyone would have gotten the reference. Today, “Half Baked” is a classic, and "Jerry Maguire"s popularity has not held on. I doubt many folks remember what the line was from, even if they saw JM back in 1996