# Cassidy Hutchinson and questions on her testimony **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Created:** [July 1, 2022, 1:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cassidy-hutchinson-and-questions-on-her-testimony/967219 "2022-07-01T01:52:48Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 15\ **Page:** 6
**Author:** ![Joey\_P](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/919ad9/32.png) [@Joey\_P](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Joey_P)\ **Post date:** [July 5, 2022, 4:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cassidy-hutchinson-and-questions-on-her-testimony/967219/101 "2022-07-05T16:17:09Z")
> [@carnivorousplant](#): > > I wonder if they call any official vehicle the President is in “the beast” just as Air Force One can be one of several planes. I believe “The Beast” has been used as the name for a number of different (armored) vehicles over the years, but it’s always the title of that specific vehicle, not like “Air Force One” where the call sign follows the president. Having said that, even if she wasn’t simply mistaken (since she probably doesn’t pay attention to which vehicle he’s in), it’s also possible that random White House Staff just use “The Beast” to mean whatever vehicle he’s in at the time. ETA, it looks like The Beast is the name of the most recent (or maybe two most recent?) armored limos that you’d have seen Bush Jr, Obama, Trump and Biden using. And maybe Jerry Seinfeld, I never watched that show but when he got coffee in a car with Obama, that may have been The Beast as well. > **[Presidential state car (United States)](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Presidential_state_car_(United_States))** > > The United States presidential state car (nicknamed "the Beast", "Cadillac One", "First Car"; code named "Stagecoach") is the official state car of the president of the United States. > United States presidents embraced automotive technology in the early 20th century with President William Howard Taft's purchase of four cars and the conversion of the White House stables into a garage. Presidents rode in stock, unmodified cars until President Franklin D. Roosevelt's administration bought the Su... ---
**Author:** ![silenus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/silenus/32/166_2.png) [@silenus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/silenus)\ **Post date:** [July 5, 2022, 4:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cassidy-hutchinson-and-questions-on-her-testimony/967219/102 "2022-07-05T16:24:02Z")
Or it could be that she heard he was in a vehicle (unspecified) and assumed it was The Beast. Either way, the story has been verified-ish. ---
**Author:** ![Euphonious\_Polemic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/euphonious_polemic/32/3002_2.png) [@Euphonious\_Polemic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Euphonious_Polemic)\ **Post date:** [July 5, 2022, 4:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cassidy-hutchinson-and-questions-on-her-testimony/967219/103 "2022-07-05T16:42:50Z")
> [@MikeF](#): > > A caller concluded that, since someone in the Secret Service denied that Trump tried to grab the wheel (or anything like it), Hutchison is a liar and nothing she said should be considered anything other than a lie. She is a disgruntled ex-employee and nothing more. Case closed. Naturally, the host agreed. If it wasn’t that, they would have found some other pathetic excuse to hang their hats on. "Oh, did you see her shoes? No laces. This proves that she’s a liar.’ ---
**Author:** ![Joey\_P](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/919ad9/32.png) [@Joey\_P](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Joey_P)\ **Post date:** [July 5, 2022, 4:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cassidy-hutchinson-and-questions-on-her-testimony/967219/104 "2022-07-05T16:45:29Z")
> [@silenus](#): > > Or it could be that she heard he was in a vehicle (unspecified) and assumed it was The Beast. Either way, the story has been verified-ish. I assume that’s going to be the case for a lot of the things she said. As has been mentioned here (and plenty of other places) plenty of her testimony wasn’t about things that happened, but about conversations she had or overheard about things that happened. If Trump lunging for the wheel was entirely fabricated, it doesn’t mean she didn’t simply overhear someone saying it is relaying it here. I’m still interested to see where this is going. If the information contained in the conversations she’s heard is factually incorrect, there should be no shortage of people ready to correct the record, under oath. If the stories are true, I think we’ll get a lot of the people she’s naming showing up on Fox News to tell us she’s wrong and denigrate every thing about her, her life, her job etc, while also doing everything they can to avoid testifying as well. The funny thing is, we’ve all gotten so used to the right using these ad hominem attacks that I’m assuming most people have learned that as soon as they start attacking the person instead of the argument, it’s all but a confirmation that the person isn’t lying. Kinda like when people started to jokingly consider getting fired from Trump’s WH to be a Badge of Honor since it implied you had too much integrity. Or when they randomly attack someone or something on the left, seemingly out of nowhere for entirely nonsensical reasons (ie being a pedophile) and a few days later they get accused of, literally, the exact same thing. Every accusation is an admission etc. ---
**Author:** ![aceplace57](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aceplace57/32/3500_2.png) [@aceplace57](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/aceplace57)\ **Post date:** [July 5, 2022, 4:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cassidy-hutchinson-and-questions-on-her-testimony/967219/105 "2022-07-05T16:48:53Z")
What has been decided about Trump abusing the Secret Service? CNN claims 2 sources verified the story. But noone actually on the record? > **[Ex-Secret Service agent reacts to testimony: Did we expect anything less from...](https://www.cnn.com/videos/politics/2022/07/02/jonathan-wackrow-ex-secret-service-agent-trump-hutchinson-acostanr-vpx.cnn)** > > Former Secret Service agent Jonathan Wackrow commends the actions of his fellow agents on January 6, despite then-President Trump's alleged demands to be taken to the Capitol to join the insurrectionists. ---
**Author:** ![Slithy\_Tove](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/slithy_tove/32/18248_2.png) [@Slithy\_Tove](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Slithy_Tove)\ **Post date:** [July 5, 2022, 5:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cassidy-hutchinson-and-questions-on-her-testimony/967219/106 "2022-07-05T17:12:03Z")
There you go: during any testimony, we trip them up on some obscure question like 1940’s actresses Kim Stanley vs Kim Hunter, then scream _Falso in Uno, Falso in Omnibus!_ ---
**Author:** ![Atamasama](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/atamasama/32/12961_2.png) [@Atamasama](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Atamasama)\ **Post date:** [July 5, 2022, 5:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cassidy-hutchinson-and-questions-on-her-testimony/967219/107 "2022-07-05T17:17:30Z")
> [@aceplace57](#): > > What has been decided about Trump abusing the Secret Service? > > CNN claims 2 sources verified the story. But noone actually on the record? Anonymous sources both confirmed and denied her story. I take all of that with a grain of salt. I think we’ll have to wait until the other hearings to see if there are corroborations or contradictions under oath. We might not hear anything more official on the subject. My hope is that further testimony will be so impactful that this is forgotten. ---
**Author:** ![Euphonious\_Polemic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/euphonious_polemic/32/3002_2.png) [@Euphonious\_Polemic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Euphonious_Polemic)\ **Post date:** [July 5, 2022, 8:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cassidy-hutchinson-and-questions-on-her-testimony/967219/108 "2022-07-05T20:39:04Z")
> [@Atamasama](#): > > We might not hear anything more official on the subject. My hope is that further testimony will be so impactful that this is forgotten. Not to worry. They’ll find another obscure triviality to lie and scream about. ---
**Author:** ![Euphonious\_Polemic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/euphonious_polemic/32/3002_2.png) [@Euphonious\_Polemic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Euphonious_Polemic)\ **Post date:** [July 5, 2022, 8:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cassidy-hutchinson-and-questions-on-her-testimony/967219/109 "2022-07-05T20:42:06Z")
Given that the purpose of this thread was to stop the sidetracking of the Jan 6 hearing thread, I find it… interesting… That the original sidetracker-in-chief has not chimed in here. It’s almost like the original intention was… the sidetracking, rather than the subject itself. ---
**Author:** ![Atamasama](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/atamasama/32/12961_2.png) [@Atamasama](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Atamasama)\ **Post date:** [July 5, 2022, 9:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cassidy-hutchinson-and-questions-on-her-testimony/967219/110 "2022-07-05T21:05:44Z")
They haven’t posted elsewhere. I’m assuming they just haven’t been around. ---
**Author:** ![Si\_Amigo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/si_amigo/32/2877_2.png) [@Si\_Amigo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Si_Amigo)\ **Post date:** [July 5, 2022, 9:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cassidy-hutchinson-and-questions-on-her-testimony/967219/111 "2022-07-05T21:41:50Z")
Or that his sole purpose was to sidetrack the other thread. He was going to complain about not being allowed to hijack the thread in the ATMB but never did. This thread was opened up to specifically address his desire to discuss this subject, then nothing. He didn’t seem to want to deny any of the key points brought up about Trump knowing that the mob was armed and that he purposely incited them. You know, his treasonous acts. Just wanted to discuss hearsay crap. ---
**Author:** ![JohnT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnt/32/15048_2.png) [@JohnT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JohnT)\ **Post date:** [July 5, 2022, 11:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cassidy-hutchinson-and-questions-on-her-testimony/967219/112 "2022-07-05T23:35:43Z")
However, to others who have the same concerns, well, here we are. Thanks, OP! ---
**Author:** ![DWMarch](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dwmarch/32/1010_2.png) [@DWMarch](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DWMarch)\ **Post date:** [July 6, 2022, 3:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cassidy-hutchinson-and-questions-on-her-testimony/967219/113 "2022-07-06T03:37:49Z")
> [@MikeF](#): > > Hutchison is a liar and nothing she said should be considered anything other than a lie. She is a disgruntled ex-employee and nothing more. Case closed. That reminds me of another thing that came to mind as I was thinking about her testimony. Except for specific questions about how she felt about certain things she did not do a lot of editorializing on the events. Her testimony was basically a straight up description of events. And once again this exposes that unique problem Trump has where _he only looks like a criminal when you are looking at him_ so stop looking at him. It is weird how often he relies on this defense and weirder still how often it works. ---
**Author:** ![Morgyn](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/morgyn/32/3041_2.png) [@Morgyn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Morgyn)\ **Post date:** [July 6, 2022, 3:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cassidy-hutchinson-and-questions-on-her-testimony/967219/114 "2022-07-06T03:48:23Z")
> [@Joey\_P](#): > > The funny thing is, we’ve all gotten so used to the right using these ad hominem attacks that I’m assuming most people have learned that as soon as they start attacking the person instead of the argument, it’s all but a confirmation that the person isn’t lying. “It’s a non-denial denial!” ---
**Author:** ![davidm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/davidm/32/225_2.png) [@davidm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/davidm)\ **Post date:** [July 10, 2022, 3:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cassidy-hutchinson-and-questions-on-her-testimony/967219/115 "2022-07-10T15:49:38Z")
Interesting timing. > **[Secret Service chief James Murray leaving to take Snapchat security job](https://nypost.com/2022/07/07/secret-service-chief-james-murray-leaving-to-take-snapchat-job/)** > > Secret Service Director James Murray will leave the agency at the end of this month to become the chief security officer at social media giant Snapchat’s parent company. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cassidy-hutchinson-and-questions-on-her-testimony/967219.md?page=5)