# Casting bias against busty actresses?

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**Created:** [April 7, 2010, 7:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/casting-bias-against-busty-actresses/535253 "2010-04-07T07:18:55Z")\
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**Author:** ![Evil\_Captor](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/f17d59/32.png) [@Evil\_Captor](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Evil_Captor)\
**Post date:** [April 9, 2010, 4:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/casting-bias-against-busty-actresses/535253/61 "2010-04-09T16:51:28Z")

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SF women tend naturally to have larger breasts. No doubt this is due to an alien plot to take over our media and render us all mindless vegetables, easy dis … oooh, shiny!

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**Post date:** [April 9, 2010, 6:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/casting-bias-against-busty-actresses/535253/62 "2010-04-09T18:51:31Z")

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> [@astro](#):
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> Several of the actresses people are citing as “busty” really aren’t all that well endowed, but have perfectly nice normal bust lines and are in shape.
> 
> The show that consistently cast the thinnest, smallest people I can ever recall seeing on a TV show was Ally McBeal. It was an alternate universe. It was waif central.

Except for [Lisa Nichole Carson](http://imagecache2.allposters.com/images/pic/MMPH/242890~Lisa-Nicole-Carson-Posters.jpg) who apparently got ALL the cleavage on that show.

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**Post date:** [April 9, 2010, 10:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/casting-bias-against-busty-actresses/535253/63 "2010-04-09T22:47:48Z")

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> [@Zjestika](#):
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> Doesn’t Criminal Minds have Garcia, the chick with the mindblowing GUI, aka [Kirsten Vangsness](http://www.subs.gr/portal/images/criminal_minds__007.jpg)? She’s not waif thin, more average to fat and totally TV fat. But is she busty?

If you’re gonna go with sexy-busty-fat, you gotta go for the Saras: [Sara Rue](http://www.contactmusic.com/pics/lb/lili_claire_benefit_2_051008/sara_rue_2106453.jpg) and [Sara Ramirez](http://images.askmen.com/galleries/actress/sara-ramirez/pictures/sara-ramirez-picture-3.jpg).

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**Post date:** [April 9, 2010, 11:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/casting-bias-against-busty-actresses/535253/64 "2010-04-09T23:02:02Z")

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> [@Cat\_Fight](#):
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> I’ve heard pretty much this from the mouth of a casting director looking for a host for a science-related documentary series. Breasts ≠ serious because, I guess, they remind people you’re not a man and might even make them think of sex instead of work or very important issues (how dare you!), which I fear sometimes carries over to real life.

This is just looking for offense. The same thing can be said for overly-muscled guys.

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**Post date:** [April 9, 2010, 11:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/casting-bias-against-busty-actresses/535253/65 "2010-04-09T23:31:44Z")

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> [@Merijeek](#):
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> Not boob job, just a suit designed to lift, separate, and accentuate.

And pad, apparently. From her natural D to a DD for the role.

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**Post date:** [December 13, 2010, 6:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/casting-bias-against-busty-actresses/535253/66 "2010-12-13T06:12:53Z")

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Julia Louis-Dreyfus is very busty and her large breasts were basically used as props in nearly every episode of The New Adventures of Old Christine. The writing of the show was tailored around Julia’s big boobs, just like Stacked was for Pamela Anderson. Here’s a few links to articles about Julia’s breasts in “Old Christine” and a few pics of Julia’s giant rack in the show:

[http://img202.imageshack.us/i/picture6hf.png/](http://img202.imageshack.us/i/picture6hf.png/)  
[http://img232.imagevenue.com/img.php?image=18204\_julialouisdreyfusWOW\_036\_122\_507lo.jpg](http://img232.imagevenue.com/img.php?image=18204_julialouisdreyfusWOW_036_122_507lo.jpg)  
[http://www.nypost.com/p/entertainment/tv/item\_kGRAF5hgkX7uUh5hbrDraJ](http://www.nypost.com/p/entertainment/tv/item_kGRAF5hgkX7uUh5hbrDraJ)

Read the 2nd to last sentence of the 2nd paragraph.  
[http://www.ew.com/ew/article/0,1564555,00.html?order=ASC&page=1](http://www.ew.com/ew/article/0,,1564555,00.html?order=ASC&page=1)  
“…Christine); her breasts, which are constantly in use as props, deserve their own billing in the opening credits.”

They discussed her big tits at the end of this article too.  
[http://www.avclub.com/articles/the-new-adventures-of-old-christine-bahamian-rhaps,33269/](http://www.avclub.com/articles/the-new-adventures-of-old-christine-bahamian-rhaps,33269/)  
“But Christine had to pull out the big guns (“everybody speaks boob”)”

[http://www.parentstv.org/ptc/shows/main.asp?shwid=2278](http://www.parentstv.org/ptc/shows/main.asp?shwid=2278)  
“Other sexual content includes dialogue about Christine’s breasts,”

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**Post date:** [December 13, 2010, 6:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/casting-bias-against-busty-actresses/535253/67 "2010-12-13T06:19:35Z")

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> [@EllisDee](#):
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> This is just looking for offense. The same thing can be said for overly-muscled guys.

I agree, but I note that overly muscled guys are often not used for supposedly intelligent roles. I remember people saying that Michael Shanks (Daniel Jackson) on Stargate SG-1 looked too buff to be a scientist.

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**Post date:** [December 13, 2010, 6:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/casting-bias-against-busty-actresses/535253/68 "2010-12-13T06:20:05Z")

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Almost every episode of “The New Adventures of Old Christine” was about how big Julia Louis-Dreyfus’s boobs are.

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**Post date:** [December 13, 2010, 7:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/casting-bias-against-busty-actresses/535253/69 "2010-12-13T07:18:14Z")

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> [@BigT](#):
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> I agree, but I note that overly muscled guys are often not used for supposedly intelligent roles. I remember people saying that Michael Shanks (Daniel Jackson) on Stargate SG-1 looked too buff to be a scientist.

Right, exactly. My point was that you can’t point to big-boobed women not getting respect as some kind of sexist crime against women, since the exact same thing happens to overly-muscled men. It’s not a sexist thing, it’s an appearance-ist thing.

And there’s really nothing wrong with either, IMO.

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**Post date:** [December 13, 2010, 8:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/casting-bias-against-busty-actresses/535253/70 "2010-12-13T20:02:09Z")

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Rules of Engagement:  
[Megyn Price](http://www.google.com/images?q=Megyn+Price&um=1&ie=UTF-8&source=og&sa=N&hl=en&tab=wi&biw=1680&bih=964)  
and  
[Bianca Kajlich](http://www.google.com/images?q=Bianca+Kajlich&um=1&ie=UTF-8&source=og&sa=N&hl=en&tab=wi&biw=1680&bih=964).

I’ll be in my bunk.

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**Post date:** [December 13, 2010, 8:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/casting-bias-against-busty-actresses/535253/71 "2010-12-13T20:25:28Z")

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> [@Zeldar](#):
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> Does Patricia Arquette count?

Only to three. (sorry, old Firesign Theater joke).

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**Post date:** [December 13, 2010, 8:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/casting-bias-against-busty-actresses/535253/72 "2010-12-13T20:37:41Z")

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> [@Munch](#):
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> Looking at TV only:
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> The aforementioned Christina Hendricks.  
> [Alison Brie](http://www.seccpics.info/wp-content/uploads/2009/02/alison-brie.jpg) on **Community** and **Mad Men**.  
> [Julia Benson](http://josephmallozzi.files.wordpress.com/2009/09/nup_133854_0301x.jpg) on **Stargate: Universe**.  
> Amanda Tapping on **Stargate: SG1**.  
> [Lisa Edelstein](http://mystupidrules.com/images/Girls/lisa_edelstein_04.jpg) on **House**.  
> The google image shots of that girl from **The Big Bang Theory** is a marginal case.  
> Julia Louis-Dreyfus on **New Adventures of Old Christine**.  
> Courtney Cox-Whatsherface, Christa Miller, and Busy Phillips on **Cougar Town**.  
> [Cobie Smulders](http://www.probertencyclopaedia.com/j/Cobie%20Smulders.jpg) on **How I Met Your Mother**.
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> And the poster child of being cast for your bust: Jennifer Love Hewitt on **The Ghost Whisperer**.
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> (And I didn’t even get to [nbc.com](http://nbc.com) or the CW/WB/whatever.)

And you totally missed Sophia Vergara on ABC.

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**Post date:** [December 13, 2010, 9:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/casting-bias-against-busty-actresses/535253/73 "2010-12-13T21:42:23Z")

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> [@Sage\_Rat](#):
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> I’m not sure I’d agree with the OP, but to think out loud:
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> As actors enter the job market for the first time as pretty young thangs, the ones with the most awesome of bodies will have the easiest time finding work, but all of that work will be in B movies, soft porn, or hard porn. It might not be glamorous, but it is a paycheck and just getting a paycheck is a pretty big accomplishment in the acting world. It would be hard to convince yourself to give it up and try to go back into serious acting. So, that leaves the girls who are still pretty but not pin-up to battle for parts in clean and A roles.

I think this is fairly false. First, several popular adult stars are small-chested. Second, they are as or more prone to fake titties than standard Hollywood. Third, many “clean role” actresses are prettier than many porn actresses.

> [@Therabel6](#):
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> Julia Louis-Dreyfus is very busty and her large breasts were basically used as props in nearly every episode of The New Adventures of Old Christine.

They may have made a gag out of her breasts, and played them up in the dialogue (and thus the entertainment news), but I don’t think they’re particularly large. YMMV.

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**Post date:** [December 13, 2010, 10:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/casting-bias-against-busty-actresses/535253/74 "2010-12-13T22:02:40Z")

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> [@HoldenCaulfield](#):
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> I agree that many actresses listed here I wouldn’t consider “busty.” I think of busty as D-cup or higher. For me, ScarJo is busty; AnJo is not.

Yeah, this is exactly what I was thinking as going through this thread.

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**Post date:** [December 13, 2010, 10:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/casting-bias-against-busty-actresses/535253/75 "2010-12-13T22:23:12Z")

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Are there any busty zombies on “The Walking Dead”?

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> [@Goofus](#):
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> Are there any busty zombies on “The Walking Dead”?

You would think that the breasts would be the first things to go on a zombie.

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**Post date:** [December 14, 2010, 12:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/casting-bias-against-busty-actresses/535253/77 "2010-12-14T00:57:08Z")

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> [@Telemark](#):
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> And pad, apparently. From her natural D to a DD for the role.

If it matters, in an interview at the time, she _claimed_ to be a natural C, and that the padding took her to a D.

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**Post date:** [December 14, 2010, 1:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/casting-bias-against-busty-actresses/535253/78 "2010-12-14T01:04:17Z")

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> [@Irishman](#):
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> They may have made a gag out of her breasts, and played them up in the dialogue (and thus the entertainment news), but I don’t think they’re particularly large. YMMV.

[Judge for yourself](http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_DlL4YVTxP4o/Sxq2YW1F5QI/AAAAAAAAGbU/2NGmVKpQHso/s1600-h/52999_julia_122_1082lo.JPG) (SFW). I think they’re lovely but only just above average.

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> [@whole\_bean](#):
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> I’m not Mr. Skin. I can’t imagine anyone has ever conducted an internet search for stills of a celebrity topless, but if one were to conduct such a search for Reese Witherspooon one would stumble accross the film in question. She’s got nice cans.
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> ETA the film is called [Twilight](http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0119594/) (different one)

I looked up the pictures of Reese Witherspoon in _Twilight_. She’s _not_ busty in those pictures, not even close. If Reese Witherspoon is busty, then any woman who is literally not flat-chested is busty. “Busty” doesn’t mean “has breasts.” It means has _big_ breasts. You’d have to use every kind of modern technology to create any kind of cleavage with what’s available in those pictures.

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**Post date:** [December 14, 2010, 2:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/casting-bias-against-busty-actresses/535253/80 "2010-12-14T02:13:59Z")

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> [@astro](#):
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> Jessica Simpson is “busty”. Whether she’s an “actress” is another issue.
> 
> [This no makeup pic of her](http://today.msnbc.msn.com/id/36276868/ns/today-today_fashion_and_beauty/)is actually much hotter than any other pic of her I’ve ever seen.

Damn! You’re right!

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