# Casting for The Office \[ed. title, take 2\] **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [June 25, 2011, 10:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/casting-for-the-office-ed-title-take-2/586861 "2011-06-25T22:55:54Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 8\ **Page:** 4
**Author:** ![quixotic78](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/q/3ab097/32.png) [@quixotic78](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/quixotic78)\ **Post date:** [June 28, 2011, 3:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/casting-for-the-office-ed-title-take-2/586861/61 "2011-06-28T15:00:44Z")
> [@AlsoNamedBort](#): > > Here’s the problem with revealing casting stuff for future episodes of a TV show. **You have no idea if said casting info reveals a plot point or not.** Sure, maybe they reveal the very first second of the show that James Spader is the new head of Sabre. But maybe they don’t. Maybe they don’t imply at all that Kathy is leaving the show and Spader gets hired as the manager of Dunder-Mifflin. And maybe they make it seem permanent. Well now everyone that read this topic now knows that he won’t be the permanent manager and he will eventually replace Jo. **We have no idea.** Emphasis added by me. So… we have no idea what they may or may not do with Spader. So what, precisely, is being spoiled? “Spader is joining the cast” is a far cry from “Jim dies in a car wreck in the second episode.” The latter is a spoiler – it alters (and almost certainly for the worse, i.e., “spoils”) how you view the first and second episodes. The former doesn’t change anything, because there’s essentially no reliable information there (as you noted in your post). What if I were to say, "Robert Duvall may or may not join the cast of _The Office_. Spoiler? ---
**Author:** ![AlsoNamedBort](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/alsonamedbort/32/3213_2.png) [@AlsoNamedBort](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AlsoNamedBort)\ **Post date:** [June 28, 2011, 4:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/casting-for-the-office-ed-title-take-2/586861/62 "2011-06-28T16:50:22Z")
> [@quixotic78](#): > > Emphasis added by me. So… we have no idea what they may or may not do with Spader. So what, precisely, is being spoiled? > > “Spader is joining the cast” is a far cry from “Jim dies in a car wreck in the second episode.” The latter is a spoiler – it alters (and almost certainly for the worse, i.e., “spoils”) how you view the first and second episodes. The former doesn’t change anything, because there’s essentially no reliable information there (as you noted in your post). > > What if I were to say, "Robert Duvall may or may not join the cast of _The Office_. Spoiler? Well, I already explained this in my post, in between the points you’ve emphasized. Right now, no, it’s not really spoiling anything. But lets say he’s not joining at the start of the season, he’s coming in at the third episode. And the first two episodes imply that Kathy is sticking around. And maybe it’s really a big surprise when she leaves and Spader joins the cast. For everyone who read this topic, watching those first two episodes, that surprise is ruined. Like I said, it’s better safe than sorry. ---
**Author:** ![GrandWino](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/grandwino/32/67_2.png) [@GrandWino](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GrandWino)\ **Post date:** [June 28, 2011, 5:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/casting-for-the-office-ed-title-take-2/586861/63 "2011-06-28T17:07:30Z")
Can we change this thread’s title again just for funsies? ---
**Author:** ![MyFootsZZZ](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/myfootszzz/32/12580_2.png) [@MyFootsZZZ](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MyFootsZZZ)\ **Post date:** [June 28, 2011, 5:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/casting-for-the-office-ed-title-take-2/586861/64 "2011-06-28T17:29:18Z")
**Stoid** , I didn’t mean to pick on YOU. I don’t know if you’ve seen other threads about _The Office_ that had similar arguments to the one we’re having right now. The point I was trying to make was against those who say they AREN’T spoilers. I’m sure YOU would have changed the thread title if you knew it would upset people… That’s all I’m saying. I love spoilers about the show. I just make sure, (due to other problems we’ve had in the past), to always be on the cautious side when I hear news about it. ---
**Author:** ![MyFootsZZZ](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/myfootszzz/32/12580_2.png) [@MyFootsZZZ](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MyFootsZZZ)\ **Post date:** [June 28, 2011, 5:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/casting-for-the-office-ed-title-take-2/586861/65 "2011-06-28T17:33:54Z")
> [@quixotic78](#): > > Did you read the linked article? The cliffhanger is still unresolved. > > Care to try again? Nope, I still think it’s relevant. ---
**Author:** ![Stoid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/stoid/32/272_2.png) [@Stoid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Stoid)\ **Post date:** [June 28, 2011, 9:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/casting-for-the-office-ed-title-take-2/586861/66 "2011-06-28T21:42:56Z")
> [@MyFootsZZZ](#): > > **Stoid** , I didn’t mean to pick on YOU. I don’t know if you’ve seen other threads about _The Office_ that had similar arguments to the one we’re having right now. Nope, never noticed; hardly ever took part in Office threads except the one about the last episode, in which I expressed my fervent hope that Spader would be back. I think I’ve watched that clip a dozen times, and every time kills me. SCATHINGLY brilliant. I’d also like to note that the performances of the others were perfection in response, flawless. ---
**Author:** ![Stoid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/stoid/32/272_2.png) [@Stoid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Stoid)\ **Post date:** [June 28, 2011, 9:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/casting-for-the-office-ed-title-take-2/586861/67 "2011-06-28T21:50:32Z")
By the way, having just watched it AGAIN… can anyone describe the interesting way that Spader speaks, in terms of NOT speaking “crisply”…his consonants are very…rounded, smooth…it’s like they are buffered somehow. Is there some way of describing that in the world of speech? I think I’ll ask in GQ… ---
**Author:** ![MyFootsZZZ](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/myfootszzz/32/12580_2.png) [@MyFootsZZZ](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MyFootsZZZ)\ **Post date:** [June 30, 2011, 4:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/casting-for-the-office-ed-title-take-2/586861/68 "2011-06-30T04:58:11Z")
I hope Andy get’s the job of Manager, but a lot of people want Darryl which would take some getting use to for me. But; They have hinted that ‘the boss’ might not be the main focus of the show anymore. I heard this a while ago, so I’m not sure they’re still thinking that… the best I can site is what B.J. Novak told ‘The Hollywood Reporter’ It can be found [here,](http://www.officetally.com/the-office-season-8-spoilers-and-news) **It’s a Spoiler site!** [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/casting-for-the-office-ed-title-take-2/586861.md?page=3)