# Castle 11/10/14 **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [November 11, 2014, 4:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/castle-11-10-14/704353 "2014-11-11T16:57:47Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 19\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![Yodalicious](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/yodalicious/32/8195_2.png) [@Yodalicious](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Yodalicious)\ **Post date:** [November 11, 2014, 4:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/castle-11-10-14/704353/1 "2014-11-11T16:57:47Z")
It’s a good thing they finally got married because last night’s episode was one of the dumbest in a while. ---
**Author:** ![RealityChuck](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/realitychuck/32/195_2.png) [@RealityChuck](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RealityChuck)\ **Post date:** [November 11, 2014, 6:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/castle-11-10-14/704353/2 "2014-11-11T18:57:48Z")
I agree. The premise was pretty stupid (within the context of the show, which has always been grounded in reality), though there were some interesting differences. But it wasn’t worth spending 45 minutes on it. The wedding was OK, but the cinematography made it look like something out of a bad romance novel. Those saturated colors in the background were obtrusive. ---
**Author:** ![kiz](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/7feea3/32.png) [@kiz](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kiz)\ **Post date:** [November 11, 2014, 7:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/castle-11-10-14/704353/3 "2014-11-11T19:42:03Z")
> [@RealityChuck](#): > > The wedding was OK, but the cinematography made it look like something out of a bad romance novel. Those saturated colors in the background were obtrusive. Oh good, I’m not the one who thought this. As I said to my husband, “That background looks like it’s from a badly colorized old movie.” I’m really starting to lose interest in Castle. At one point it was a funny, clever show. Now the plotlines are getting really ridiculous. ---
**Author:** ![JSexton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/96bed5/32.png) [@JSexton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JSexton)\ **Post date:** [November 12, 2014, 4:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/castle-11-10-14/704353/4 "2014-11-12T16:44:28Z")
Yeah, I thought the wedding was also part of his concussed hallucination, it was so cheesily done. And really, you aren’t inviting your closest friends even? Seriously? After they investigated your abduction from your wedding in their tuxes, they aren’t even invited to the real wedding? I’d be pissed as hell. ---
**Author:** ![SeaDragonTattoo](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/df705f/32.png) [@SeaDragonTattoo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SeaDragonTattoo)\ **Post date:** [November 12, 2014, 4:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/castle-11-10-14/704353/5 "2014-11-12T16:57:44Z")
A few simple crime solving caper episodes would be a relief right about now. I watch Supernatural, and the writers for that show seem to get it. A couple deeper through-plot shows, maybe three tops, and back to simpler one-off episodes for a couple. Viewers need a break, especially if the earlier seasons started out with the simpler (and funny) plot episodes. ---
**Author:** ![DrDeth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b487fb/32.png) [@DrDeth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrDeth)\ **Post date:** [November 12, 2014, 5:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/castle-11-10-14/704353/6 "2014-11-12T17:04:23Z")
> [@JSexton](#): > > Yeah, I thought the wedding was also part of his concussed hallucination, it was so cheesily done. And really, you aren’t inviting your closest friends even? Seriously? After they investigated your abduction from your wedding in their tuxes, they aren’t even invited to the real wedding? I’d be pissed as hell. Because, every TV viewer _knows_ that a Big Wedding will be interrupted and not happen. :rolleyes::dubious: ---
**Author:** ![ftg](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ftg/32/2801_2.png) [@ftg](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ftg)\ **Post date:** [November 12, 2014, 10:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/castle-11-10-14/704353/7 "2014-11-12T22:59:39Z")
Me, during the wedding scene: “Can I fast forward?” **Mrs. FtG** : “_NO_.” Other than that, I liked it. Good to see the old Castle/Beckett exchanging looks thing again. Of course, when Castle was first brought back to the station and he was trying to prove that he knew they were pranking him, step 1 would have been to check Amazon for his [Nikki Heat](http://www.amazon.com/s/ref=nb_sb_noss_1?url=search-alias%3Daps&field-keywords=nikki%20heat&sprefix=nikki+heat%2Caps) books. That would of course backfired. For a bunch of crime solving folk, they sure seem to miss obvious stuff. ---
**Author:** ![Aquadementia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aquadementia/32/555_2.png) [@Aquadementia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Aquadementia)\ **Post date:** [November 13, 2014, 1:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/castle-11-10-14/704353/8 "2014-11-13T01:25:26Z")
> [@ftg](#): > > Me, during the wedding scene: “Can I fast forward?” > **Mrs. FtG** : “_NO_.” > > Other than that, I liked it. Good to see the old Castle/Beckett exchanging looks thing again. > > Of course, when Castle was first brought back to the station and he was trying to prove that he knew they were pranking him, step 1 would have been to check Amazon for his [Nikki Heat](http://www.amazon.com/s/ref=nb_sb_noss_1?url=search-alias%3Daps&field-keywords=nikki%20heat&sprefix=nikki+heat%2Caps) books. That would of course backfired. > > For a bunch of crime solving folk, they sure seem to miss obvious stuff. I also found it fun briefly going back to the old dynamic. Interesting to see his writing career backslid and Beckett’s advanced. The wedding had me worried that someone was going to suddenly get shot. Something came-up so I missed the last minute, so, since no one is talking about someone getting shot I’m taking that as no one getting shot. Are they going to be calling each other Castle and Beckett as a married couple? ---
**Author:** ![GuanoLad](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guanolad/32/42_2.png) [@GuanoLad](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GuanoLad)\ **Post date:** [November 13, 2014, 1:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/castle-11-10-14/704353/9 "2014-11-13T01:46:46Z")
Each Halloween they have an episode that is a little bit supernatural-ish but it turns out it was something tangible after all. This year’s was the one about the ghosts, which turned out to be an Invisibility Cloak. I would’ve preferred it if they’d stuck with ghosts. This week’s episode was just as absurdly supernatural. I think they have officially lost the plot. ---
**Author:** ![Fair\_Rarity](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fair_rarity/32/153_2.png) [@Fair\_Rarity](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fair_Rarity)\ **Post date:** [November 13, 2014, 2:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/castle-11-10-14/704353/10 "2014-11-13T02:08:04Z")
I hated it. HATED it. I’ve been going back and forth if I should just abandon it altogether, and this is giving me a big shove in the yea column. Plus, ABC must think its viewers are really pathetic, as they aired a commercial for it one minute before it started telling us that the wedding would happen. Gee, thanks for spoilering something that happened in the last five minutes, marketing geniuses. If I hadn’t had known, the surprise of it might have redeemed the episode a tiny bit in my eyes… Other than the horrible green screen of the sunset. My eyes couldn’t handle that. ---
**Author:** ![Just\_Asking\_Questions](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/ba9def/32.png) [@Just\_Asking\_Questions](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Just_Asking_Questions)\ **Post date:** [November 13, 2014, 2:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/castle-11-10-14/704353/11 "2014-11-13T02:17:46Z")
If I’d seen it as a Star Trek episode, I would have liked it more. At least, parallel universes are a known quantity. Since Castle is mostly not a sci-fi show, you know it wasn’t going to be a sci fi explanation. Still, it did have its enjoyable parts. ---
**Author:** ![Waterman](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/b2d939/32.png) [@Waterman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Waterman)\ **Post date:** [November 13, 2014, 8:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/castle-11-10-14/704353/12 "2014-11-13T08:09:47Z")
> [@Fair\_Rarity](#): > > I hated it. HATED it. I’ve been going back and forth if I should just abandon it altogether, and this is giving me a big shove in the yea column. > > Plus, ABC must think its viewers are really pathetic, as they aired a commercial for it one minute before it started telling us that the wedding would happen. Gee, thanks for spoilering something that happened in the last five minutes, marketing geniuses. If I hadn’t had known, the surprise of it might have redeemed the episode a tiny bit in my eyes… Other than the horrible green screen of the sunset. My eyes couldn’t handle that. On Oct 27th at the end of the episode, ABC announced in their previews that the wedding would take place on the next episode which would air on November 10th. ---
**Author:** ![Just\_Asking\_Questions](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/ba9def/32.png) [@Just\_Asking\_Questions](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Just_Asking_Questions)\ **Post date:** [November 13, 2014, 3:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/castle-11-10-14/704353/13 "2014-11-13T15:14:45Z")
Thinking about it some more, what DID actually happen? At first take, Castle got a bimp on the head and had a dream. They even made references in the dialog: his quoting both _It’s A Wonderful Life_ and\* A Christmas Carol\* are clues it is all a dream. On the other, his “dream” solution, which he got in effectively a few minutes, was spot on, including the look of the bad guys and the identity of the leader. Information he shouldn’t be able to know. What did the writers intend? Or do they even care? I also liked how Castle skulked around the precinct. He moved just like Johnny Bravo, minus the sound effects. PS If he did actually travel into a parallel universe, where did THAT universe’s Castle go? ---
**Author:** ![JSexton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/96bed5/32.png) [@JSexton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JSexton)\ **Post date:** [November 13, 2014, 4:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/castle-11-10-14/704353/14 "2014-11-13T16:07:46Z")
> [@Just\_Asking\_Questions](#): > > Thinking about it some more, what DID actually happen? At first take, Castle got a bimp on the head and had a dream. They even made references in the dialog: his quoting both _It’s A Wonderful Life_ and\* A Christmas Carol\* are clues it is all a dream. On the other, his “dream” solution, which he got in effectively a few minutes, was spot on, including the look of the bad guys and the identity of the leader. Information he shouldn’t be able to know. > > What did the writers intend? Or do they even care? > > I also liked how Castle skulked around the precinct. He moved just like Johnny Bravo, minus the sound effects. Your brain can fill in all sorts of details without even being aware of it, and causality can get confused. Ever have a dream where you pick up the phone and it starts ringing, and you wake up to your real phone ringing? You think they happened in that order, but they didn’t. You heard the real phone ringing, and your brain filled in the backstory to make it make sense. Same thing here. Castle blacked out, dreamed, and when he woke up and saw the bad guys, his brain filled in their faces into his dream. If he had done something like sketch their faces before they were caught, or use knowledge from his dream (that he could not have reasonably known or guessed IRL) to actually solve the case, then we’d have a supernatural event. As it is, we just have a case of head trauma. I mean, if you want to believe in the parallel universe being “real”, sure, go for it. It’s fiction, after all, so why not? But if you want to keep Castle grounded in our world, then it’s simple to hand-wave it away. ---
**Author:** ![silenus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/silenus/32/166_2.png) [@silenus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/silenus)\ **Post date:** [November 13, 2014, 4:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/castle-11-10-14/704353/15 "2014-11-13T16:27:19Z")
I liked the episode overall, but then I’m easy to please here. The show is light-weight entertainment with characters that are moderately interesting and easy on the eyes. Was the plot weak? So what? This stance is totally different from my stance on other TV shows. I am large - I contain multitudes. ---
**Author:** ![Just\_Asking\_Questions](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/ba9def/32.png) [@Just\_Asking\_Questions](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Just_Asking_Questions)\ **Post date:** [November 13, 2014, 7:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/castle-11-10-14/704353/16 "2014-11-13T19:26:46Z")
> [@JSexton](#): > > I mean, if you want to believe in the parallel universe being “real”, sure, go for it. It’s fiction, after all, so why not? But if you want to keep Castle grounded in our world, then it’s simple to hand-wave it away. I don’t want to believe parallel worlds in Castle any more than I want to believe invisibility suits, time travel, or a killer so smart he can anticipate how people will behave when they are purely reacting, and randomly. But I do like your explanation. I’ll stick with that. ---
**Author:** ![JSexton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/96bed5/32.png) [@JSexton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JSexton)\ **Post date:** [November 13, 2014, 7:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/castle-11-10-14/704353/17 "2014-11-13T19:35:18Z")
> [@Just\_Asking\_Questions](#): > > I don’t want to believe parallel worlds in Castle any more than I want to believe invisibility suits, time travel, or a killer so smart he can anticipate how people will behave when they are purely reacting, and randomly. > > But I do like your explanation. I’ll stick with that. Supernaturally smart killers are sort of the staple of this kind of show. I think you have to be willing to suspend disbelief on the predictive powers of madmen. ---
**Author:** ![Just\_Asking\_Questions](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/ba9def/32.png) [@Just\_Asking\_Questions](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Just_Asking_Questions)\ **Post date:** [November 13, 2014, 8:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/castle-11-10-14/704353/18 "2014-11-13T20:29:29Z")
> [@JSexton](#): > > Supernaturally smart killers are sort of the staple of this kind of show. I think you have to be willing to suspend disbelief on the predictive powers of madmen. Generally, yes, I do. (I actually like the show, despite the impression I may give with my posts). It’s specifically the scene on the bridge with 3XK that bugs me. There’s no way any of that could have been planned. Like the resolution of Arlington Road, there is no way anyone would make a plan that relied on someone doing one thing and one thing only, with precision split second timing, at several “decision points”, to get the desired result. It’s not like there are two possible choices, it’s that there are a nearly infinite number of choices. ---
**Author:** ![Fair\_Rarity](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fair_rarity/32/153_2.png) [@Fair\_Rarity](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fair_Rarity)\ **Post date:** [November 14, 2014, 2:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/castle-11-10-14/704353/19 "2014-11-14T02:45:39Z")
> [@Waterman](#): > > On Oct 27th at the end of the episode, ABC announced in their previews that the wedding would take place on the next episode which would air on November 10th. I avoid previews like the plague, muting the tv, changing the channel. Regardless of when they spoiled it initially, why would they give away the ending? They do it with How To Get Away With Murder too, showing a preview right before it starts and they say something like “You won’t believe what happens in the last minute” and then what happens is built up so much it’s inevitably a super let down for those of us who spend too much time on TV Tropes and figure things out early.