Cat owner complaint

[ladyfoxfyre]

Gaspode, I for one have heard enough of your shit for one thread.

Because irresponsible arseholes like you are destroying my property, my health, my sleep, my lifstyle, my pets, my environment and forcing me to perform any number of unpleasant tasks, including killing animals that I like, for the sole reason that they want to own a cat but don’t have the balls or the brains to take responsibilty for it.

So this cat is really affecting your slepe that much? I have no doubt that you spend many sleepless nights worrying about your garden or your fucking bird. So to get back all of this lost sleep you kill the cat. I see a lot of logic there. A life for a life, right? You value human lives over the lives of cats anyday, but you show no such comparison for the life of a PLANT versus the life of a pet, right?

I have to agree with Biggirl. You killed your neighbor’s housepet. You can rationalize it anyway you like, in the end you are a pet-murdering asshole.

So much for “Love thy neighbor” right? Just so long as your neighbor’s pet doesn’t shit in your garden, then it’s every man for himself. You seem to think that all “domesticated” pets are fully that, trained, domesticated, and “fully capable of the difference between right and wrong”, like the child in obfusciatrist’s example. You imply that it is an overreaction to shoot the child because it knows the difference between right and wrong. Obviously the same is not true for an animal.

All shit aside, you disgust me. You actually consider yourself a vigillante for killing a helpless animal. Props to you. You’ve demonstrated that you, being a human, are capable of destruction for no apparant purpose. Much applause.

[PinkBikini]

*Originally posted by Gaspode *
PinkBikini, I agree with you wholeheartdly.

I’m betting you don’t.

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Well actually I don’t. **

Uh-huh.

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I think people who “who senselessly kill animals, or are cruel to animals” should face severe jail terms. I can’t abide the unecessary suffering of animals.
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Whoop-tee-doo. Too bad your actions don’t match this. Unfortunately, in most areas they don’t face much of anything. In some states animal cruelty, once proven, has about the same repercussions as a parking ticket.

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I can’t however accept the morality that would trade a human life for an animal life. **

Guess what, dude? I don’t give a flying fuck what you can accept.

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Of course I assume neither of us believe that people who kill animals to protect their property and health deserve to be punished.**

You assume incorrectly. My previous post was talking about people just like you.

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If we do there are going to be a few billion peole who kill rats and mice in court come the revolution.
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You can fly that flag all you want. It won’t change what you are. Come the ‘revolution’ I hope you choke on the pus from your lesions.

[Gaspode]

Oh goody, another peice of illogical, irational tripe to tear to shreds. (Cracks knuckles)

So this cat is really affecting your slepe that much? I have no doubt that you spend many sleepless nights worrying about your garden or your fucking bird.

Ahh, I love it when illiterate cretins try sarcasm. They always make such fools of themselves.
Get someone to read this for you you ill-educated ill-mannered dolt, or maybe if you sound out the letters you’ll understand it this time:

Fights. I work out of town a lot. I don’t sleep well in motels and swags. I tend to spend Friday nights after I return with friends/GF catching up. I stay out late. I like to be able to sleep when I do go to bed. I like to be able to sleep saturday night too. I don’t want to be woken up at 4am by your cats fucking or fighting on my lawn. They are screaming 9 feet from my ear. I like fresh air, I live in th tropics, I leave my window open all night. It’s fucking niosy and it disturbs my sleep. You think your cat screams and hisses when you try to keep it in. Do you know what noise it’s making on my fromt lawn?

Worrying about gardens indeed. What do I look like, a six-foot, 80 kilo gnome?

You value human lives over the lives of cats anyday, but you show no such comparison for the life of a PLANT versus the life of a pet, right

Would anyone like to point out the logical fallacy in this argument? Yes, you at the back! That’s right, she’s delberately minimising the argument by failing to mention the killing of pets, the killing of wildlife, thousands of dollars property destruction, inconvenience and loss of time and disease transmission, instead focussing on the death of a plant. You can’t seriously expect to get away with this at the SDMB.

end you are a pet-murdering asshole.

And you are an overpriviledged, self-centred, poorly-educated, naive, arrogant, whiney, misbegotten, cowardly, hypocritical, brain-dead whelp who is apparently incapable of using a dictionary to find out the correct application of the word ‘murder’. Oh well, they didn’t have that one on Sesame Street I suppose? Next time stick with the letter K.

So much for “Love thy neighbor” right?

Ahh, a religious moron. Even better. No fanatic like a religious fanatic.
Dear, welcome to the real world. Pull up a seat. I’ll make us some milk and cookies. Comfy? Good, I’ve got something to say that you really need to hear.
In the real world everyone doesn’t hold to your religious ideals. In the real world compassion, common sense and necessity are worth more to most of the worlds population than the word of a mid-eastern God who demanded regular animal sacrifice and acepted human sacrifces. I wouldn’t be attempting to bring in Christian theology right here dearie. Now please leave before you appear even more like a inexperienced philistine you do now.

You seem to think that all “domesticated” pets are fully that, trained, domesticated, and “fully capable of the difference between right and wrong”, like the child in obfusciatrist’s example

Child, I hold a bachelors degree in biology and another in rural science. I’m employed as an ecologist. I was raised in the bush. I know more about animals, both wild and domesticated than you, in your ignorance, could ever hope to know. I’ll explain this to you easily since you presumably genuinely are a teenager who believes she knows how the world should be run. We’ve all been there.
I no more I believe that all domesticates are fully so than I believe that all cars are fully safe, reliable and roadworthy, or that all drivers are fully sober. The stae of a peice of poperty that you choose to purchase and the effects it has on your life and health should not be the responsibilty of anyone bar yourself. When you’re old enough to drive and buy alcohol you’ll realise that responsible citizens don’t drive dangerous cars or drive while drunk. If you choose to own a deathtrap, don’t drive it in a public place. If you choose to drink, don’t drive in a public place. If you choose to own a semi-feral animal, don’t let it roam in public places, and particularly on my private property. How you choose to prevent this is your affair. Kill it, lobotomise it, bonsai it. Just don’t disturb me with the details.
You understand the concept of choice as used here? No-one is compelled by law to own a cat, it is a choice. If you make a choice when you’re all grown up don’t expect others to accept the consequences of that choice. Its called being a good citizen.
Struth. Employ a teenager while they still know everything!

You imply that it is an overreaction to shoot the child because it knows the difference between right and wrong.

So much stupidity for one so young.
You appear to be confusing me with my learned colleague Hibbins young 'un. I stated quite clearly that it is wrong to kill a child (and I quote) “because it is illegal and in the belief systems of our societies immoral”. I then go on to say “As for killing a child if it wasn’t illegal, well no of course I wouldn’t do it. I value human life far more highly than anyhting aside from human life. Clearly neither I nor 99% of the population value animal life more highly than human health and property.”, followed by a descriotion of the are consequences enforced by the state pertaining to parents/guardians that are not in place for pet owners. You really need to read more carefully before you start slinging obscenities. Knowledge of right or wrong is of no consequence to me in this issue. They leave me alone, I leave them alone. They infringe on my rights and I will retaliate. You will come to realise this is the reaction of all humans, Ghandi and Jesus Christ inclusive. This applies to adults, kids, cats and duck-billed platypi. (The reaction may be somewhat harsher for cats.)
If this is the reasoning behind your poorly constructed outburst then I really can’t even get angry enough to think up a decent insult. Isn’t that patehtic?

All shit aside, you disgust me.

Funny, I just find you cute. It’s like watching a puppie tyring to seriously fight a grown dog. It thinks it’s doing well until the dog casually puts it’s paw on the pups head.

You actually consider yourself a vigillante for killing a helpless animal

Ahh, she’s so amusing.
Look, here’s a link for dictionary.com. For your own sake familiarise yourself with it before you post any words over two syllables, OK?
[sup]vigilante, tee hee hee hee[/sup]

You’ve demonstrated that you, being a human, are capable of destruction for no apparant purpose.

Ahh yess, just like all those nasty exterminator men who spray your room for cockroaches, and lay baits and traps for rats. Bad men, bad men. Tsk Tsk. :rolleyes:

Now run along and do your homework, grown-ups are talking.

[kabbes]

Who said anything about my child? I don’t have any kids.

Who said anything about my cat? I don’t have a cat.

Who, indeed, said anything about my having an objection to culling animals? I am by no means an idealist about that concept.

No, what I object to is the fact that you are a bully. Something offends you, so you take whatever action you see fit to stop it happening. Never mind that other people might get hurt. You want to do it, so you will do it.

That decision was not yours to make.

I suggest you stick fliers up all around your neighbourhood explaining that you killed this cat. Since it is such an acceptable thing to do, I can’t believe that you will be in any way ostracized for it. No - no doubt your neighbours (who presumably were as terrorized by this fiendish beast as you were) will praise you for your courage! They are free of the tyrrany!

And whoever loved that cat needs to know that it’s never coming home. That way they can grieve for it in peace.

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[coffeecat]

*Originally posted by Gaspode *

coffeecat I assume your’e attempting a strawman here, but you obviously don’t know me very well. Rabbits are a major environmental and economic problem here. I’ve killed hundreds of fluffy bunnies in my time.

Actually, I was kidding. I’ve heard of the rabbit problem in Australia.

Serves me right for trying to joke in the pit. . .

[cleosia]

I heard a saying a long time ago that goes something like, “Any plant that isn’t where it belongs is a weed.” I’d like to submit that any animal that isn’t where it belongs is a pest.

Gaspode isn’t pissed at the animals being what God intended them to be. He’s pissed at the owners who are not doing what they committed to do, which is take care of their pets!

Everybody here is jumping on him for removing what has become no more than a pest on his property. Why is it I don’t see these people saying, “God, what’s wrong with these owners? If they loved their pets, why don’t they take care of them and keep them safe?”

If a pit bull or a rotweiller had been put down because it was a danger to people or property and the owner regularly insisted on letting it roam freely, most people would bitch about the negligent owner. Here, it’s the victim who’s getting blamed. Isn’t that typical! :rolleyes:

[kabbes]

No, if someone had seen a pitbull causing no harm and taken it upon themselves to shoot it, that might begin to be comparable. But even in that case it seems ridiculous to compare the real and immediate threat to life a pitbull represents with a cat.

I’m not pissed because a cat died. I’m pissed because somebody’s pet was killed by a bully. They hadn’t let that pet out illegally. In fact, since said bully hadn’t made any contact with the owners, there’s nothing to indicate that the owners even knew that their cat was being a nuisance. After all, letting your cat out of the house is hardly uncommon.

No, all they know is that one day their cat that they loved didn’t come home. And Gaspode is the reason why. He made a decision that he had no right to make and in the manner of all bullies decided to harm those he took offense at.

That’s why I’m pissed.

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[kabbes]

Clarification: in the first line there, I mean no immediate harm. I’m not denying that cats have been a pest to Gaspode. I’m just denying that he had the right to kill somebody else’s pet.

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[Diane]

since said bully hadn’t made any contact with the owners, there’s nothing to indicate that the owners even knew that their cat was being a nuisance.

Among numerous other things, this says quite a lot. Not only is he a bully, he is a bully of the worst kind - a coward.

It’s much easier to kill a small animal than it is to confront the neighbors and tell them of the problem. I wouldn’t count on him letting the neighbors know what happened to their cat either, they may get mad and oh so scary! :rolleyes:

[Biggirl]

There are two discussions going on in this thread.

One is about “inside” and “outside” cats. We are responsible for what our pets do. Cats may, and quite often do, have a negative impact on the people and the environment around them. Unless you live on a huge many acred farm or your cat is beloved by everyone in your immediate vacinity, keep your cat to yourself.

The other is about whether Gaspode is a pet killing asshole.

Although our Australian cousins are of the opinion that these two discussions are related, the American faction sees a distinct difference between the two.

You do not kill your neighbor’s pet and expect not to get reamed about it if you are an American. Gaspode’s attempts to explain why he was justified in killing his neighbor’s cat look, to my American eyes, look like self-serving bullshit. They also smack of extreme cat hatred. cleo is right, you’ll never win this arguement.

[Biggirl]

Oh my goodness! I’m sorry kabbes and any other non-Americans who think Gaspode was out of line. I also apologize to all the American posters who happen to agree with Gaspode.
Never, ever generalize.

[Cat_Whisperer]

I don’t know where in the world you people who are so worked up about Gaspode are living, but here in Calgary, we have by-laws that were put in place to prevent people from allowing their cats to roam free, and we have nowhere near the problems that Australia is having. If the owners of the cat Gaspode killed are wondering where the cat is, maybe they should have kept it in the house or supervised it when it was out, and they would know. I know that my cat is sleeping on the bed next to me; she is not out roaming and getting into whatever she wants to because I don’t let her.

I don’t know if Gaspode had the moral right to do what he did; I do know, however, that if the cat hadn’t been on his property, he couldn’t have killed it. To me, that seems like all we need to know. Keep your cats home, keep them safe and out of trouble.

It almost seems like we’re having a serious difference in perceptions here. In the western prairies in Canada, people kill cute little gophers as often as they can because they are huge pests; I suspect Gaspode’s attitude towards feral cats is somewhat similar, hard as that is for us North Americans to understand.

[Diane]

I don’t know where in the world you people who are so worked up

Worked up? Funny, but the one who seems to be in the most danger of bursting an artery here is Gaspode. Holy shit, I was starting to get images of Donald Duck just from reading his posts!

[Biggirl]

The crux of the arguement here seems to be the distinction between the terms “wild”, “feral” and “pet”.
This was a pet. It wasn’t wild or feral. There is a difference. It seems that most can see it. You can kill a pet that tresspasses on your property. Don’t expect me to sympathize about your plight.

[Primaflora]

Biggirl

a lot of Australians and New Zealanders are not necessarily going to make a huge differentiation between ‘pet’ and ‘feral’. If I have a frog pond on my property or a koala feeding station or a bat feeding station and someobdy else’s cat is predating on my property, there’s a limit to how much I personally would do to find the owner of the cat. Unlike Gaspode, I’m probably not likely to kill the cat but I certainly would take to the RSPCA and not weep if one day it didn’t come home to you again.

The answer is simple. Keep your cat where it belongs. Do that and there is no problem on either side of the debate. Unless people really think that cats have the right to trespass wherever they want and to kill whatever other animals which are of value to other people. Gaspode killed a cat. How many frogs or birds did that cat kill? Why aren’t people upset about the native wildlife? I sure fucking am. The dramatic shrinking of frog species in Queensland scares me shitless. A wandering non-native predator doesn’t have rights to go on other people’s property and kill.

[Biggirl]

Yeah Prima, I understand what you are saying and I agree that a pet owner is responsible for his pet (I coulda sworn I already said that).

This is a different issue than what is expected from non-jerk neighbors. Gaspode killed his neighbor’s pet because it pissed him off. The fact that this pet is a cat seems to make a huge difference to the people in the other hemisphere. It does not make a difference to me.

You killed my pet. The why of it doesn’t matter in the heart of it. {Although I must admit to feeling mighty offended by the “we hate cats so much we’d just as soon shoot them on sight” attitude of many.) Killing your neighbor’s pet is a reprehensible thing to do. Period.

[bdgr]

*Originally posted by kabbes *
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I’m not pissed because a cat died. I’m pissed because somebody’s pet was killed by a bully. They hadn’t let that pet out illegally. In fact, since said bully hadn’t made any contact with the owners, there’s nothing to indicate that the owners even knew that their cat was being a nuisance. After all, letting your cat out of the house is hardly uncommon.

He had already taken this same cat to the pound and the owners had had to go down and pay a fine to get it out. I think that should have been a clue to them. The fact that they were fined shows that yes, they were breaking the law, and they knew they were not supposed to let their cat roam around and destroy other people property. He gave the owners one chance, and they showed that they dont care enough about the cat to keep it in. They deserve what they get. Personally, I probably would have just taken the cat back to the pound again so that they would keep getting fined over and over again but that is just me. I hardly blame him for doing what he did. If anyone here is to blame its the owners. I think that most of the time if you take a cat to the pound, it is going to get snuffed by the pound anyway, because a lot of people arent going to pay to get their cat back.

[Gaspode]

Kabbes

Who said anything about my child? Who said anything about my cat?

Your child, as in the child you were comforting, your cat as in the cat whose actions you were paying for. Not that difficult is it?

Something offends you, so you take whatever action you see fit to stop it happening.

You know, I think we could make a list of every invalid debating tactic and logical fallacy ever from this one thread. Kabbes coveniently ignores here that, far from taking whatever action I saw fit, it has been made quite clear that I took the sole course of action vaialble. Nice try though Kabbes.

That decision was not yours to make.

Here he ignores the stated fact that under Queensland law it was very much my decision to make.

Since it is such an acceptable thing to do, I can’t believe that you will be in any way ostracized for it.

Here he attempts as straw man by trying to confuse moral acceptability with social acceptability. Hey how about homosexual students put up posters around the school ’ coming out’? Since it is such an acceptable thing to do, I can’t believe that they will be in any way ostracized for it. How about doctors from abortion clinics putting adds in paper advertising where they live?
Of course bat-noodling fuckpeices like kabbes who jump on anyone whose actions don’t tally with their own mean that even if someothing being lawful and reasonable doesnmn’t make it acceptable.
Nice strawman though.

No - no doubt your neighbours will praise you for your courage

Newsflash Kabbes. One of my neighbours bought me a beer when I told him (guess which one), another thinks its great. The otehrs I haven’t told because they may be intolerant arseholes people like you.

And whoever loved that cat needs to know that it’s never coming home. That way they can grieve for it in peace.

And rest assured if I could tell them I would. The whole trouble heer is tht there is no way of contacting these irresponsible peices of shit.

They hadn’t let that pet out illegally

Oh, so it’s all down to illegal and legal, not morality, ethics or responsibility? That’s OK then because what I did was legal so you don’t have any problem with it. Or does morality and responsibilty enter it only when you’re going to be the one inconvenienced Kabbes?
Methinks I see a double standard.

In fact, since said bully hadn’t made any contact with the owners, there’s nothing to indicate that the owners even knew that their cat was being a nuisance

Kabbes fallacy 10987.
Said owners collected said cat from said pound not one week earlier. Said owners were informed said cat had been trapped on said private property. Said owners therefore were fully cognisant of said cat’s said nuisance value.
Having said that, said Kabbes is clearly said weasel.

After all, letting your cat out of the house is hardly uncommon

Kabbes fallacy 10988.
Neither unfortunately is drunk driving. Doesn’t mean that responsible citizens don’t know it isn’t right though.

He made a decision that he had no right to make

Kabbes fallacy 10989.
The decision was one that I had every moral, legal and ethical right to make.

decided to harm those he took offense at.

Kabbes fallacy 10989. Strawman
I decided to remove a problem using the only means available.

Who, indeed, said anything about my having an objection to culling animals? I am by no means an idealist about that concept.

So its not the killing? So what your saying is I should have my property, my emotions and my lifestyle damaged so as not to damage the lifestyle, emotions and property of the cat owner? That’s what it come’s down to doesn’t it, or can someone see soemthing I’m missing in this equation?
Kabbes, you dissappoint me.

Diane

Not only is he a bully, he is a bully of the worst kind - a coward.

Might I suggest you actually establish the facts firsthand before slinging insults. The owners were informed their cat was a nuisance. Much like yourself really.

It’s much easier to kill a small animal than it is to confront the neighbors and tell them of the problem.

So tell me, how do I contact these owner’s to confront them. If you weren’t quite so lazy you would have read that I have no means of contacting the owners. Please, in future, on these boards try not be willfully ignorant even if you can’t help being stupid.

Worked up? Funny, but the one who seems to be in the most danger of bursting an artery here is Gaspode. Holy shit, I was starting to get images of Donald Duck just from reading his posts!

And I thank you, that’s exactly the effect I was trying for. It just isn’t appropriate to try serious debate in the pit, particularly after insults have been hurled. I’m enjoying this immensely. Although irresponsible, rationalising pricks do genuinely annoy me.

Biggirl,
You still haven’t answered my questions. What a surprise. Care to explain how exactly I am expected to extract payment from the owner of the cat when I can’t contact him, hmmm?
Would you care to explain the difference between the reasons why I should hate a feral cat that is destroying my property and wildlife, and not a semi-feral? Is it because of the owner or the cat? If that’s so then why am I obliged to have my property, lifestyle and emotions damaged to protect his? If that is so care to explain the logic

You do not kill your neighbor’s pet and expect not to get reamed about it if you are an American.

You know I just love the way some of this boards noted liberal’s and bleeding hearts are reacting to this thread. It does my heart good.
No mention of logic or justice or responsibility here, just expect to get your ass reamed. Hmm I wonder how Biggirl would react to a statement like “You do not put on weight and become a fat ugly mama and expect not to get reamed about it if you are an American.” How about “You do not perform homosexual acts and expect not to get reamed about it if you are an American.”
Rest assured Biggirl that statement will come bnack to haunt you.

cleo is right, you’ll never win this arguement.

We know, because it’s not an argument. You keep refusing to answer simple questions that would make it clear to all exactly what your objection is based on. You make no attempt to explain any of your statements, just keep making assertions. That’s OK because this is The Pit, but don’t expect anyone to believe your beliefs are based on anything but raw emotion and ignorance. Just keep pouring out the emotionalism Biggirl, it’s what you do best.

This was a pet. It wasn’t wild or feral. There is a difference.

Ohh, well I’m only an Australian ecologist with access to all the latest journals so what would I know.
Care to tell enlighten the rest of us Biggirl exactly what the difference is between a feral and a pet cat? The weight of scientific opinion seem to be squarely against you and I’ve got access to a ream of cites that contradict your above statement, but don’t let that stop you. This should be good.

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Don’t expect me to sympathize about your plight.[/quote
I never expected sympathy. My sole intention was to get pet owners to keep their disease factories inside and eliminate a little ignorance. I don’t want congratulations, I don’t want sympathy and I especially don’t want stray fucking cats. As it turns out I’m eliminating alot of ignorance.
You can call me an asshole if you like, it’s The Pit, but don’t expect me to let your rather obvious ignorance and stupidity go unchallenged anywhere on these boards.

[Biggirl]

*Originally posted by Gaspode *
Biggirl,
You still haven’t answered my questions. What a surprise. Care to explain how exactly I am expected to extract payment from the owner of the cat when I can’t contact him, hmmm? **

What in the hell does this have to do with you killing his damned cat?
I don’t like your bird. Whatever reason I have for not liking your bird has nothing to do with the fact that killing your bird is an assholish thing to do. You need an environmental impact report to see this?

[Gaspode]

And here people we see the first evidence that Biggirl is either incredibly dense, or should be taking more of the little green ones.

Originally posetd by BiggirlGaspode has an issue with his unthinking neighbor who should pay for the damages her pet caused.

Care to explain how exactly I am expected to extract payment from the owner of the cat when I can’t contact him, hmmm?

What in the hell does this have to do with you killing his damned cat?

I was wondering the same thing. It’s like saying “Gaspode has an issue with his the world which should be all daisies and sunshine”. Merely saying something should be doesn’t make it relevant while it remains impossible, so what the hell does this have to do with me killing his cat?
Biggirl apparntly feels it pertinent to the issue when on her medication, but irrelevant when she’s not. Or is it the other way around? Or is she simply trying to weasel out of it now that she’s been forced to admit that it was a naive, impractical Peter Pan statement. I’m taking bets folks.
Of course seeing that she hasn’t bothered to answer any of my other, somewhat more relevant and difficult, questions I think we can pretty safely assume what the answer is.

Whatever reason I have for not liking your bird has nothing to do with the fact that killing your bird is an assholish thing to do.

Care to justify that with logic?
If my bird were an eagle and it was ripping a small child to shreds I don’t think you’d find many people who would believe killing it was an asshole act. Seems pretty clear to me that your reasons for not liking my bird has a great deal to do with ‘the fact that killing your bird is an assholish thing to do’.
How about the council workers who kill stray pet cats and dogs. Are they arseholes? If not, why not.
This should be real fun watching her try to explain this.
Since this is the pit I’ll ignore the fact that that whole staement is presupposes that killing the bird is an assholish thing to do.
I’ll also ignore the fat that it’s a strawman, since my liking or not liking the cat is not the issue, rather the issue is whether the damage the cat caused justified the damage I caused.