# Catch-All Dio Pitting **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [April 11, 2011, 8:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/catch-all-dio-pitting/577997 "2011-04-11T20:04:17Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 12
**Author:** ![Hentor\_the\_Barbarian](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/8edcca/32.png) [@Hentor\_the\_Barbarian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hentor_the_Barbarian)\ **Post date:** [April 13, 2011, 12:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/catch-all-dio-pitting/577997/221 "2011-04-13T12:10:33Z")
> [@MsWhatsit](#): > > Nah, I think I’m with Pyper on this one. Listing a bunch of conservatives who have the shocking audacity to remain conservative is nowhere near the kind of bullshit Dio takes heat for, which I would think is fairly obvious to anyone who spends even a little time around here. I spend a lot of time here. I was contradicting the assertion that the SDMB is a bastion of evidence based exchanges of ideas in which people respond well to counter citations with “Ignorance fought”. Any opinions on the point, or is how it relates to Diogenes your only point of reference? ---
**Author:** ![Hentor\_the\_Barbarian](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/8edcca/32.png) [@Hentor\_the\_Barbarian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hentor_the_Barbarian)\ **Post date:** [April 13, 2011, 12:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/catch-all-dio-pitting/577997/222 "2011-04-13T12:21:49Z")
> [@MsWhatsit](#): > > I’m just saying, dude, you bring it up a LOT. No, please do provide your count. Or, like Dio, are you just going to make an unsupported accusation, fail to provide evidence when requested, and fail to acknowledge the truth of the matter? ---
**Author:** ![CarnalK](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnalk/32/486_2.png) [@CarnalK](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CarnalK)\ **Post date:** [April 13, 2011, 12:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/catch-all-dio-pitting/577997/223 "2011-04-13T12:30:09Z")
> [@Malacandra](#): > > Yeah, I remember this. **olives** was fairly new on the boards and had several times mentioned what a sexually liberated upbringing she’d had, and then in another thread she morphed into an abuse survivor who couldn’t enjoy sex at all. As **Dio** says, we’d had a few attention-seeking liars just prior to that, and thinking we had another one was an easy mistake to make. I just looked at it again to refresh my memory. One said she had great overly explicit sex education from her aunts and was whacky in the sack when she was 18. The other said she was having trouble nowadays with her husband that she thinks is related to abuse she suffered from a stepfather before she was 18. It’s simply not a factual contradiction and several people familiar with abuse survivors pointed out that it’s not an unusual emotional dichotomy. Dio even said so himself > [@I Pit The Asswipe Fucking With My Marriage](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-the-asswipe-fucking-with-my-marriage/392749/118): > > I never would have called bullshit on this thread (by itself), but if I had seen the other one first, I would have thought it had some unbelievable or at least exaggerated elements to it. I guess that would be in keeping with what some people are saying about abuse victims, though. Then we get [a very typical Diogenes exchange](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?p=8331724&postcount=122). “You should apologize for calling her a liar” “I didn’t” \ “I meant something different” ---
**Author:** ![Skywatcher](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/skywatcher/32/254_2.png) [@Skywatcher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skywatcher)\ **Post date:** [April 13, 2011, 12:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/catch-all-dio-pitting/577997/224 "2011-04-13T12:42:17Z")
> [@CarnalK](#): > > Then we get [a very typical Diogenes exchange](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?p=8331724&postcount=122). > “You should apologize for calling her a liar” > “I didn’t” > \ > “I meant something different” See also his exchange with **Czracasm** regarding Minnesota statutes in the “passing lane” thread and his claim of never saying “never” in the ATMB that prompted this one. ---
**Author:** ![MsWhatsit](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/eb8c5e/32.png) [@MsWhatsit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MsWhatsit)\ **Post date:** [April 13, 2011, 12:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/catch-all-dio-pitting/577997/225 "2011-04-13T12:46:43Z")
> [@Hentor\_the\_Barbarian](#): > > No, please do provide your count. Or, like Dio, are you just going to make an unsupported accusation, fail to provide evidence when requested, and fail to acknowledge the truth of the matter? I said it was a bet, not that it was God’s truth. I don’t know what the fucking count is and if I did, I would have presented it as a fact and not a bet. And anyway, my point wasn’t to be all “Haaaah, you mentioned Dio and homosexual sex again,” it was just to let you know, yo, you are turning into the “Whining about people saying I have sex with Dio” guy. I don’t know, maybe you don’t realize you bring it up so much. Maybe you WANT to be that guy. Your business, man. But I will say that the first I saw that accusation was when you yourself mentioned it. ---
**Author:** ![Skywatcher](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/skywatcher/32/254_2.png) [@Skywatcher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skywatcher)\ **Post date:** [April 13, 2011, 12:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/catch-all-dio-pitting/577997/226 "2011-04-13T12:53:13Z")
> [@CitizenPained](#): > > Dio is Dio-railing his own Pit thread to make the posters in here crazy. That’s funny. Haha. That’s the point: a place to keep this out of other threads. ---
**Author:** ![Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e99b99/32.png) [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Diogenes_the_Cynic)\ **Post date:** [April 13, 2011, 12:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/catch-all-dio-pitting/577997/227 "2011-04-13T12:54:01Z")
> [@CitizenPained](#): > > Guilty. ☹ I did it again. I wasted an hour of my time debating the use of the Hebrew word ‘rabbi’. He wanted to tell me he knew what the 4,000 year old word originally meant 2,000 years later based on \* Greek \*translation. > > ☹ > > Then, once it was clear that I made my points, he said, “The bible is fiction anyway, and we don’t even know if that word was used.” > > So why were you trying to tell me you knew what it meant in 30 BCE, Dio?! You don’t even think it was used! > > Then he told me that you can’t use the Bible to make any case about Jesus since the Bible is fiction. Okay, so then how can he can tell me “facts” about Jesus? > > Am I the only one who sees the :smack: in that? You are really fucking dumb if you think you see a contradiction there. Do you think the New Testament is our only source of information about 1st Century Palestine? Do you really not understand how there’s a difference betwen sayingwe don’t have much reliable information about Jesus, but that we can answer questions about 1st Century Palestine? ---
**Author:** ![Hentor\_the\_Barbarian](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/8edcca/32.png) [@Hentor\_the\_Barbarian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hentor_the_Barbarian)\ **Post date:** [April 13, 2011, 12:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/catch-all-dio-pitting/577997/228 "2011-04-13T12:58:09Z")
> [@MsWhatsit](#): > > I said it was a bet, not that it was God’s truth. I don’t know what the fucking count is and if I did, I would have presented it as a fact and not a bet. And anyway, my point wasn’t to be all “Haaaah, you mentioned Dio and homosexual sex again,” it was just to let you know, yo, you are turning into the “Whining about people saying I have sex with Dio” guy. I don’t know, maybe you don’t realize you bring it up so much. Maybe you WANT to be that guy. Your business, man. But I will say that the first I saw that accusation was when you yourself mentioned it. Hey, it only ever originally came up in pit threads about Diogenes, and I only ever spontaneously brought it up in later pit threads about Diogenes. So, I promise, the frequency with which I bring it up will at most be the same as the frequency with which Dio Show people pit Diogenes. Seriously, you’re not suggesting that its acceptable for Dio Show people to respond to a different opinion with suggestions of homosexual sex, are you? I would hope that even you guys still feel it is remarkable for someone to have such a stupid and childish reaction. Nevertheless, my guess as to counts would be that there was only one occasion in which I pre-emptively brought it up that someone did not affirmatively endorse the position. But really, you’re saying that I’m unduly whining, and then refusing to back your position up, relying just upon your subjective opinion as to whether your characterization is fair or not. Isn’t that a tad hypocritical, given the thread topic? ---
**Author:** ![Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e99b99/32.png) [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Diogenes_the_Cynic)\ **Post date:** [April 13, 2011, 12:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/catch-all-dio-pitting/577997/229 "2011-04-13T12:58:37Z")
> [@MsWhatsit](#): > > Oh my God, now we’re on to “People secretly PM’ed me! I’m not a lone nut! There are other people who think like me! Secret people! People who send PMs!” How are you getting this out of what I posted? ‘Like-minded people?’ What the fuck? “Like-mimnded” had nothing to do with it. I didn’t actually care. They PM’ed me because they just wanted somebody to be a shield for them. ---
**Author:** ![AClockworkMelon](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aclockworkmelon/32/10803_2.png) [@AClockworkMelon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AClockworkMelon)\ **Post date:** [April 13, 2011, 1:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/catch-all-dio-pitting/577997/230 "2011-04-13T13:15:01Z")
> [@olivesmarch4th](#): > > I was severely depressed and having intense symptoms of PTSD > > … > > It’s weird, I’ve gone from despising him to feeling weirdly defensive and protective of him. You’ve gone from PTSD to Stockholm Syndrome. ---
**Author:** ![Sarahfeena](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sarahfeena/32/519_2.png) [@Sarahfeena](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sarahfeena)\ **Post date:** [April 13, 2011, 1:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/catch-all-dio-pitting/577997/231 "2011-04-13T13:15:21Z")
> [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](#): > > There is nothing wrong with my behavior. I just have some strong opinions. I’m not going to change them to make people like me, but it’s also never my intention to get anything going. If anything I may posts a little more stidently when going against the group think just out of annoyance. I totally get what you mean in your last sentence, here. It happens to me, too, and a couple years ago I started thinking that my persona here was nothing like what I’m like IRL. Bugged the shit out of me, which is the main reason I got more involved with the splinter boards. Sometimes you really do have to step back…if the encounters you have here upset you and ruin your day, what’s the point? ---
**Author:** ![Fotheringay-Phipps](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/d9b06d/32.png) [@Fotheringay-Phipps](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fotheringay-Phipps)\ **Post date:** [April 13, 2011, 1:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/catch-all-dio-pitting/577997/232 "2011-04-13T13:16:12Z")
> [@Joey\_P](#): > > I think you’re missing the point. It doesn’t matter if the mods allow you to " insult groups that include fellow posters outside the Pit but cannot insult fellow posters" what I’m claiming is that by insulting packer fans in a packer thread, you are insulting the posters in that thread. Whether or not it’s allowed, I really don’t care, I’m not terribly concerned about that. He said he didn’t insult posters, I’m saying he did. I’m not talking about whether Dio violated forum rules. But Dio made the distinction - in defending his own statements - between insulting a group that includes posters and insulting specific posters. And I was merely noting that the adminstration of this MB made the same distinction for their own purposes, so it’s not like Dio is out there on that one. > [@](#): > > We’ve gone over this a hundred times across several threads, if you want to discuss it, you’re going to bring something new to the table. That’s OK. I’m content with what i’ve said already. ---
**Author:** ![Attack\_from\_the\_3rd\_dimension](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/b38774/32.png) [@Attack\_from\_the\_3rd\_dimension](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Attack_from_the_3rd_dimension)\ **Post date:** [April 13, 2011, 1:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/catch-all-dio-pitting/577997/233 "2011-04-13T13:48:16Z")
> [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](#): > > They didn’t want to take the flack. They wanted me to take the bullet. I didn’t care, so I said I would take it. So you’re what, a stalking horse for dark forces on the board? Palpatine’s minion? Wait, I’ve got it - you’re the Dope’s own version of Lee Harvey Oswald, the lone gunman working for mysterious unidentifiable forces. I’ve made sure to post this message in public on the SDMB, so if I am sudd ---
**Author:** ![CarnalK](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnalk/32/486_2.png) [@CarnalK](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CarnalK)\ **Post date:** [April 13, 2011, 1:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/catch-all-dio-pitting/577997/234 "2011-04-13T13:55:31Z")
> [@Fotheringay-Phipps](#): > > I’m not talking about whether Dio violated forum rules. But Dio made the distinction - in defending his own statements - between insulting a group that includes posters and insulting specific posters. And I was merely noting that the adminstration of this MB made the same distinction for their own purposes, so it’s not like Dio is out there on that one. > > That’s OK. I’m content with what i’ve said already. That’s probably for the best. There are so many examples of Dio backtracking and/or conveniently “forgetting” something he said, it’d be silly wasting too much effort dissecting that one. ---
**Author:** ![Joey\_P](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/919ad9/32.png) [@Joey\_P](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Joey_P)\ **Post date:** [April 13, 2011, 1:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/catch-all-dio-pitting/577997/235 "2011-04-13T13:56:44Z")
> [@Fotheringay-Phipps](#): > > That’s OK. I’m content with what i’ve said already. Ditto ::Shakes hands with **F-P** and moves along:: ---
**Author:** ![Munch](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/munch/32/5281_2.png) [@Munch](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Munch)\ **Post date:** [April 13, 2011, 2:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/catch-all-dio-pitting/577997/236 "2011-04-13T14:10:58Z")
> [@Joey\_P](#): > > Ditto > > ::Shakes hands with **F-P** and moves along:: We have much to learn from you two. ---
**Author:** ![wonky](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wonky/32/393_2.png) [@wonky](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wonky)\ **Post date:** [April 13, 2011, 3:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/catch-all-dio-pitting/577997/237 "2011-04-13T15:17:46Z")
First, I don’t think this board is remotely a place where people regularly respond to information that contradicts their worldview with “ignorance fought” or anything approaching that. Second, I think the Dio threads derail, to some extent, because there are a lot of people on this board who love to get in on a pile-on and they think Dio is a worthy target. And there are a few little nitwits who only want to be on the popular side of any argument who will wait until things are mostly hashed through and then come into a thread to restart it. These same nitwits started trumpeting “It’s the Dio Show!” at all opportunities. Third, Diogenes is an annoying person. Fourth, the person I agree with most in this thread is Hentor. Fifth, if your argument is “We could behave better but then some other people would just start it up again,” well, that’s a pretty lousy argument. If everyone in this thread, which likely contains some of the most virulent Dio-despisers, would stick him on ignore or would at least resist the urge to be yet another voice bringing up the same thing again and again in a thread, there would be a noticeable difference. Other people may not show self-control, but you can. Other people might do all sorts of things, but you don’t have to join them. You are not controlled by other people. You are your own person. If you think he’s a troll, don’t feed him. Other people might feed the troll, but you do not have to be among them. If you can’t back down from an argument, stop being so surprised if Diogenes doesn’t back down from an argument. If you get pissed off from interactions here, stop being so surprised if Diogenes gets pissed off from interactions here. If you have no self-control, stop being so surprised if Diogenes has no self-control. ---
**Author:** ![Azeotrope](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/0ea827/32.png) [@Azeotrope](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Azeotrope)\ **Post date:** [April 13, 2011, 3:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/catch-all-dio-pitting/577997/238 "2011-04-13T15:23:52Z")
> [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](#): > > I _didn’t_ care. They asked me to do it so I did it. No skin off my dick. I actually did think she might have been jerking us around. It wouldn’t have been the first time someone did. I wasn’t looking to stir a pot so much as just being the one willing to point out some contradictory posts. It wasn’t too long after that dude had been banned for creating a long, fake history about being a transexual or something, and people were more on guard about potentially being duped by bogus board “characters” at that time. Yeah, but part of the fallout from the Kaitlyn thing was that the poster that broke the story was a banned and probably a sock (presumably so that the posters who found the inconsistencies and stuff in her story wouldn’t risk their reputations.) People were wanting to know whose sock it was and why those posters didn’t “man up” and post for themselves. If other posters had a problem with Olives, they should have either called her out themselves or shut the hell up if theiw pwecious boawd weputations mean that much to them. It’s more reprehensible to me that they hid behind another poster AND that someone would be willing to be the mouthpiece for a bunch of wusses. If YOU had YOUR OWN gripe with Olives and were calling her out because YOU thought her story didn’t add up, that’s at least respectable. ---
**Author:** ![Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e99b99/32.png) [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Diogenes_the_Cynic)\ **Post date:** [April 13, 2011, 3:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/catch-all-dio-pitting/577997/239 "2011-04-13T15:26:10Z")
I did think they raised a legitimate question. I wouldn’t have done what they asked if I hadn’t thought the question was fair (which it totally was). ---
**Author:** ![PlainJain](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/5daacb/32.png) [@PlainJain](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/PlainJain)\ **Post date:** [April 13, 2011, 3:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/catch-all-dio-pitting/577997/240 "2011-04-13T15:31:49Z")
> [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](#): > > They PM’ed me because they just wanted somebody to be a shield for them. Horseshit. You’ve either embellished that to the point of non-recognition or made it up whole cloth. The problem with lying is it undermines your credibility. **MsWhatsit** nailed it. You, sir, have delusions of grandeur. “Took the bullet”, ha ha ha… [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/catch-all-dio-pitting/577997.md?page=11) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/catch-all-dio-pitting/577997.md?page=13)