# Catch-All Dio Pitting **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [April 11, 2011, 8:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/catch-all-dio-pitting/577997 "2011-04-11T20:04:17Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 15
**Author:** ![Attack\_from\_the\_3rd\_dimension](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/b38774/32.png) [@Attack\_from\_the\_3rd\_dimension](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Attack_from_the_3rd_dimension)\ **Post date:** [April 13, 2011, 5:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/catch-all-dio-pitting/577997/281 "2011-04-13T17:39:57Z")
> [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](#): > > Sometimes this is true (though I would argue that this board is full of people who do that), but there are a couple of topics where my opinion, in and of itself, pisses people off. For instance, I am of the opinion that “polyamourous” people are immature. That opinion, in and of itself, drives people nuts. I don’t say it should be illegal or anything, only that I don’t take their relationships seriously or see them as mature or meaningful. > > I won’t even get started about adults having sex with underaged kids. Yeah, but you’re just as much of a tool when discussing whether or not a person can be injured by having a sharp stick jammed in their neck. (Oooh, aah, the thread started with a discussion about pepper spray and a kid. Therefore, due to hot button overflow, all topics on the thread, even one which are tangential and normally open to fact and citation are now only amenable to Dio’s unsupported opinion. In distinction to the other thread, this is specifically a point about you.) ---
**Author:** ![Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e99b99/32.png) [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Diogenes_the_Cynic)\ **Post date:** [April 13, 2011, 5:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/catch-all-dio-pitting/577997/282 "2011-04-13T17:45:47Z")
Just the opposite is true, actually. It was supposed to be taken as settled fact that the kid had a “deadly weapon,” and that the cops were in mortal danger. Any skepticism or deviation from that dogma was unacceptable. ---
**Author:** ![Azeotrope](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/0ea827/32.png) [@Azeotrope](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Azeotrope)\ **Post date:** [April 13, 2011, 5:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/catch-all-dio-pitting/577997/283 "2011-04-13T17:47:15Z")
I have zero respect for people who don’t have the stones to present and defend their own opinion. If they’re that worried about getting jerked around, they should be worried enough to bring up the subject. If they’re not that worried, they can sit and stew on it. It just makes me think of a bunch of junior high school boys standing in a corner poking one of their friends in the arm saying “Go ask Susan if she’ll go to the dance with Jeff!” I’d be the one in Susan’s posse asking “why doesn’t Jeff grow a pair and ask her himself?” I have been the one to voice a dissenting opinion on a message board and my reputation took a big hit for it (it was a board about koi and goldfish care, fer Christ’s sake) but I knew full well I was going to take heat for it and never regretted it. The PM’s I got later about “I felt the same but didn’t want to be the bad guy” were kinda less than comforting :rolleyes: I like what \*\*Nzinga Seated \*\*said about “silent support being no support at all” ---
**Author:** ![Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e99b99/32.png) [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Diogenes_the_Cynic)\ **Post date:** [April 13, 2011, 5:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/catch-all-dio-pitting/577997/284 "2011-04-13T17:47:29Z")
For the record, it’s not like I haven’t been challenged on the Bible stuff, and haven’t stood up to it. ---
**Author:** ![MsWhatsit](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/eb8c5e/32.png) [@MsWhatsit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MsWhatsit)\ **Post date:** [April 13, 2011, 5:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/catch-all-dio-pitting/577997/285 "2011-04-13T17:48:03Z")
> [@jsgoddess](#): > > This isn’t about you seeking it out, or about your self-growth at all. It’s about the board being able to tolerate different personalities. I mean, your self-growth is probably a good goal, and I like you as a poster, but you aren’t actually my prime concern here. I am! Ha, fair enough. 😃 Personally, I think there are two things going on here. One, Dio is an obnoxious ass who tends to derail threads with his posting style. Two, some people are very gleeful about the prospect of having a target of harassment, and will bring up “Dio Show!!” even when inappropriate. Both things, IMO, are obnoxious. I mean, the guy clearly bugs me, but I don’t engage him anymore. I’m discussing him here, but I feel like that’s appropriate because it’s a Pit thread specifically about him. The thing is, even though the people who are somewhat stalkerish with the “Dio Show” stuff are being annoying about it, and contributing somewhat to thread derailment, they’re not creating the problem in the first place. I really feel like Dio’s behavior _hasn’t_ changed that much, at least not in the past few years. I get the sense that people are on him about it more these days not because he’s gotten worse, but because a lot of people have realized, oh OK, it’s not that he’s not aware of the problem, or that it’s a temporary thing caused by stuff going on his life or whatever: This is permanent, and he doesn’t give a shit, and he’s not going to change. Some people react to this by just disengaging completely, and some people are following him around yelling “Dio Show!” a lot, and I’d guess the vast majority of people won’t really be aware of the issue at all until they run into Dio in one of his pet-issue threads. Categories 2 and 3 are why this will continue to be a problem as long as he continues posting in this fashion, and even if category 2 went away, you’d still have 3, which is pretty sizable. And I would just like to say that it is really rare for me to run into someone online that I simply will not have conversations with. I’ll get into arguments and debates with anyone. I love that shit. Conservatives, liberals, Flat-Earthers, anti-vax nutters, whatever. Bring it on. But trying to have a conversation with Diogenes is like talking to some kind of robot that is programmed specifically to piss people off. I can’t deal with that. ---
**Author:** ![VinylTurnip](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/b2d939/32.png) [@VinylTurnip](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/VinylTurnip)\ **Post date:** [April 13, 2011, 5:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/catch-all-dio-pitting/577997/286 "2011-04-13T17:50:30Z")
> [@Nadir](#): > > Repulsiveness, creepiness, and various aspects of shittiness as far as stirring it, getting in it, or whatever they do with it is a big Internet attraction for certain elements of the general population. > > Just stating a potentially relevant and/or overlooked fact in this somewhat amusing discourse. 😉 **Diogenes** is a polarizing figure. You, on the other hand, are universally despised. ---
**Author:** ![Skywatcher](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/skywatcher/32/254_2.png) [@Skywatcher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skywatcher)\ **Post date:** [April 13, 2011, 5:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/catch-all-dio-pitting/577997/287 "2011-04-13T17:53:13Z")
> [@You're banned from this thread](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/youre-banned-from-this-thread/578223/53): > > I don’t think any of this. I am not a victim in any way. > [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](#): > > This trope that I get off on any of this or ever consciously seek this kind of attention could not be more wrong. I find it bothersome and distressing and it ruins my day. Odd choice of words for a non-victim. ---
**Author:** ![aldiboronti](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/9fc348/32.png) [@aldiboronti](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/aldiboronti)\ **Post date:** [April 13, 2011, 5:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/catch-all-dio-pitting/577997/288 "2011-04-13T17:56:51Z")
> [@Hentor\_the\_Barbarian](#): > > This is an excellent point and the only real negative of the last several months of “Dio Show” nonsense for me. I very much value his input on those topics, but I have noticed that he appears equally confident about Bible issues as he is about highway laws. The fact that I now feel a moment’s pause on the former is the true sadness in all this for me. Let me do what I can to allay your fears. It may be many years ago now but I did intensive studies on early Christianity, heresies, the Clementine literature, the Ante-Nicene Fathers, etc and I’m here to tell you, in these and other Bible-related areas **Diogenes** knows whereof he speaks. ---
**Author:** ![Wile\_E](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/c37758/32.png) [@Wile\_E](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Wile_E)\ **Post date:** [April 13, 2011, 5:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/catch-all-dio-pitting/577997/289 "2011-04-13T17:58:22Z")
Has anyone called him “Doggy Knees” yet? I like that one, makes him sound like a cute, widdle, rabid puppy dog. ---
**Author:** ![Azeotrope](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/0ea827/32.png) [@Azeotrope](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Azeotrope)\ **Post date:** [April 13, 2011, 5:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/catch-all-dio-pitting/577997/290 "2011-04-13T17:58:32Z")
> [@jsgoddess](#): > > Has Diogenes’s posting actually changed, or are so many more people riled up and aware of it and willing to attempt pile-ons because they think it’s kind of the in-thing with the current board culture? I’d suggest it’s probably the latter. I could be wrong, but that’s my impression, that people want Diogenes to be an ass and want to be part of the trainwrecks and want to be part of the crowd yammering for his head because they think it’s fun. I lurked during most of the pay-to-post years, and I remember one thread from several years ago (can’t find it through search) where the OP was grieving because his wife had miscarried, and Dio came in with something along the lines of “it wasn’t really a child at that point, and saying you lost a child is insulting to everyone who has.” So I personally had him pegged as Someone to Watch Out For since before I started posting. I tend to avoid threads where he gets on his high horse because I know I’ll never change his mind and the “oh, no, the Dio show :rolleyes:” that accompany it is just as annoying to me as anything Dio comes up with. Unfortunately I waded into this thread because the “get someone else to post so I don’t take the heat” is one of my biggest pet peeves. ---
**Author:** ![Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e99b99/32.png) [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Diogenes_the_Cynic)\ **Post date:** [April 13, 2011, 6:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/catch-all-dio-pitting/577997/291 "2011-04-13T18:03:19Z")
For the sake of the board, which I do care about, I will make an effort to be more thoughtful about how I say what I say instead of just popping off. I know I’m hyperbolic. In real life the bombast comes off as less literal amd serious than it does in pure text. I have a tendency to feel that I know I’m right, that my point is reasonable or that I at least have a right to my opinion, so what are they getting so upset about, but I will hereby resolve to take some time before I wade into controversial topics and really think through what I say and how I say it, because I think I do have reasonable points underneath the bombast if I will just get out ofmy own way. Not that I would expect anyone to notice, but I’ve already backed way off on some topics because I have, I admit it, been exposed as blowing hard sometimes without really knowing what I was talking about. For instance, I got really tired of having my ass kicked by **Bricker** and have been very careful lately about what I say in legal threads. I think I’m just going to avoid posting at all on my hot buttons. Everybody knows how I feel about adults and underaged kids having sex, fr instance, and I don’t have to say it anymore. I’m going to try to dial it back in the football threads too. Last season was a horrorshow. My worst nightmare. Thank God the Superbowl was cancelled. I don’t know what would have happened to my sanity if the Packers had won. Oh, and my apologies to Packer fans. I went a lttle nuts there. The fact that some people are now saying that they don’t know if they can trust me on Bible discussions does bother me some. It’s the one topic where I not only really do know what I’m talking about, but which doesn’t push any hot buttons for me. I’m hearing you guys, ok. I’m going to try. ---
**Author:** ![Nzinga\_Seated](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/b5ac83/32.png) [@Nzinga\_Seated](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Nzinga_Seated)\ **Post date:** [April 13, 2011, 6:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/catch-all-dio-pitting/577997/292 "2011-04-13T18:04:44Z")
I will pay a million dollars to everyone who doesn’t say, “good on ya” and other such stuff. ---
**Author:** ![Arnold\_Winkelried](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/3d9bf3/32.png) [@Arnold\_Winkelried](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Arnold_Winkelried)\ **Post date:** [April 13, 2011, 6:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/catch-all-dio-pitting/577997/293 "2011-04-13T18:05:35Z")
> [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](#): > > I agreed to ask the question because I thought it was fair, and because one more pile up for me wasn’t going to make any difference. I don’t crave them, but I thought the question was fair enough that it wouldn’t be too bad. My point was, you read those PMs and decided “this is the kind of thing where I’m going to take input from other posters and take action on it”. Whereas, with all the posters saying “could you please change your annoying posting style”, you decide to blow them off. If you did the reverse I wouldn’t be thinking that you are courting controversy at the boards and enjoying the fights you participate in. P.S. Just saw your last post. I hope that what I said in the previous paragraph was wrong. P.P.S. Good on ya, Diogenes the Cynic! (Nzinga, Seated: I don’t need no stinking million.) ---
**Author:** ![Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/left_hand_of_dorkness/32/7156_2.png) [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Left_Hand_of_Dorkness)\ **Post date:** [April 13, 2011, 6:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/catch-all-dio-pitting/577997/294 "2011-04-13T18:05:43Z")
Good on ya. ---
**Author:** ![Hentor\_the\_Barbarian](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/8edcca/32.png) [@Hentor\_the\_Barbarian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hentor_the_Barbarian)\ **Post date:** [April 13, 2011, 6:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/catch-all-dio-pitting/577997/295 "2011-04-13T18:06:45Z")
> [@aldiboronti](#): > > Let me do what I can to allay your fears. It may be many years ago now but I did intensive studies on early Christianity, heresies, the Clementine literature, the Ante-Nicene Fathers, etc and I’m here to tell you, in these and other Bible-related areas **Diogenes** knows whereof he speaks. Oh, I really still feel confident that this is true. Don’t get me wrong. It’s just the difference between absolute confidence and … something slightly less than absolute confidence, I suppose. ---
**Author:** ![Nzinga\_Seated](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/b5ac83/32.png) [@Nzinga\_Seated](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Nzinga_Seated)\ **Post date:** [April 13, 2011, 6:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/catch-all-dio-pitting/577997/296 "2011-04-13T18:06:45Z")
> [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](#): > > Good on ya. Oh, you fancy huh? You don’t need a million dollars. Ok. ---
**Author:** ![Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e99b99/32.png) [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Diogenes_the_Cynic)\ **Post date:** [April 13, 2011, 6:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/catch-all-dio-pitting/577997/297 "2011-04-13T18:07:41Z")
> [@ugly ripe tomato](#): > > I lurked during most of the pay-to-post years, and I remember one thread from several years ago (can’t find it through search) where the OP was grieving because his wife had miscarried, and Dio came in with something along the lines of “it wasn’t really a child at that point, and saying you lost a child is insulting to everyone who has.” I really don’t want to get into all this again, but that was a case of a false pregnancy, not a miscarriage, and the thread title was “my baby died.” I thought, at that time, that the thread title was misleading and manipulative. When I said “there was no baby,” I wasn’t ridiculing the belief that a fetus was a baby, but was pointing out that there literally was no fetus. Nothing died. People can feel however they want about me doing that, but I at least want the description to be accurate. ---
**Author:** ![Hentor\_the\_Barbarian](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/8edcca/32.png) [@Hentor\_the\_Barbarian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hentor_the_Barbarian)\ **Post date:** [April 13, 2011, 6:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/catch-all-dio-pitting/577997/298 "2011-04-13T18:07:59Z")
> [@Nzinga\_Seated](#): > > Oh, you fancy huh? You don’t need a million dollars. Ok. Look, I know that you really love to get the last post in on these Diogenes pit threads. It just ain’t happening this time. ---
**Author:** ![Azeotrope](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/0ea827/32.png) [@Azeotrope](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Azeotrope)\ **Post date:** [April 13, 2011, 6:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/catch-all-dio-pitting/577997/299 "2011-04-13T18:10:21Z")
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**Author:** ![Nzinga\_Seated](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/b5ac83/32.png) [@Nzinga\_Seated](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Nzinga_Seated)\ **Post date:** [April 13, 2011, 6:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/catch-all-dio-pitting/577997/300 "2011-04-13T18:10:50Z")
> [@Hentor\_the\_Barbarian](#): > > Look, I know that you really love to get the last post in on these Diogenes pit threads. It just ain’t happening this time. Aww. Ok. I can accept that. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/catch-all-dio-pitting/577997.md?page=14) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/catch-all-dio-pitting/577997.md?page=16)